Prospect Info: Round 1, 7th overall: Matvei Michkov, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[BiggE]

League has changed since Lindros. One player can't have that kind of impact anymore.

Sure they can. It still took the Flyers 3 years to reach the playoffs after drafting Lindros and the Pens didn’t win the Cup until Crosby’s 4th season. Hell, the Oilers had Gretzky and Messier from the get go in 79-80 and didn’t win the Cup until 1984.

Generational players can turn a franchise around but it still takes time and good management.

Of course the Flyers haven’t had good management in forever so, um, it might be a while until they get there.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Probably best to stay the course this summer with the plan to free up cap space and make it known they are ready to sign people the following year when there could be some big time targets.

As I mentioned previously ITT, throw the bank at Draisaitl next summer.

 

[swami24]

Funny thing is that LeClair was sort of a throw in when Clarke made that trade even though he did have that nice goal scoring breakout in that Montreal cup year. Montreal never really recovered for quite some time after that trade...

The Lindros trade would have been viewed as a disaster without the Leclair/Desjardin theft.

 

[Jettany]

The Nolan pick was the correct pick. It was just shit, terrible luck.

That’s very debatable. Knowing that his concussion/migrane issues were known along with his core injuries.

 

[renberg]

The Nolan pick was the correct pick. It was just shit, terrible luck.

We've been down this road so many times on the Patrick selection. However, someone didn't do their due diligence regarding Patrick; his health, state of mind for hockey and other things. In hindsight, they clearly flubbed this opportunity.

 

[trostol]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

We've been down this road so many times on the Patrick selection. However, someone didn't do their due diligence regarding Patrick; his health, state of mind for hockey and other things. In hindsight, they clearly flubbed this opportunity.

In hindsight it ended badly. But go back to the night of the draft it was the consensus top 2 pick. Maybe we should bump the thread from that night

 

[mr4tno]

That’s very debatable. Knowing that his concussion/migrane issues were known along with his core injuries.

Correct. he was damaged goods but he was a big north American player. The kind the Flyers covet

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

As I mentioned previously ITT, throw the bank at Draisaitl next summer.

I wouldn't...

 

[Andrewcoursol]

The Lindros trade would have been viewed as a disaster without the Leclair/Desjardin theft.

agree, the habs helped out the avalanche as well, and most recently tampa, 2 out of the 3 teams got cups

 

[Larry44]

In hindsight it ended badly. But go back to the night of the draft it was the consensus top 2 pick. Maybe we should bump the thread from that night

Or back to the outdoor game when Patrick played so well and looked like he’d arrived. Heiskanen is why you take Buium over Lindstrom, for example. 30 mpg stud D are more valuable than Cs.

 

[orangey]

I wouldn't...

Why not?

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Why not?

He has alot of miles on his body and needs to be regularly put with McDavid to get going... also last couple playoffs he always playing injured.

 

[orangey]

He has alot of miles on his body and needs to be regularly put with McDavid to get going... also last couple playoffs he always playing injured.

Oh well should fit in fine I think. Thanks for your concern. Add it to the list...

 

[mr figgles]

What could go wrong with paying a 30-year-old Draisaitl 14 million per year for what he did in Edmonton?

 

[Jettany]

Or back to the outdoor game when Patrick played so well and looked like he’d arrived. Heiskanen is why you take Buium over Lindstrom, for example. 30 mpg stud D are more valuable than Cs.

Hedman over Tavares. Living on Long Island I told my friends this should have been the pick. For exactly your reason.

 

[Embiid]

Torts as Michkov's coach is a fool's errand. He'll stifle him to the point of making him the next Dainius Zubrus....

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

What could go wrong with paying a 30-year-old Draisaitl 14 million per year for what he did in Edmonton?

Some fans will never learn...we need to move away from the old style of management.

 

[Embiid]

Some fans will never learn...we need to move away from the old style of management.

Heard James Harden might want to play hockey...

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

The Nolan pick was the correct pick. It was just shit, terrible luck.

Yeah, lots of bad things and things to complain about regarding this organization but anyone that says they shouldn't have taken Patrick is lying to themselves. Gauthier sure people were split on that pick and there are definitely arguably better fits but Patrick was not a bad pick without knowing the future.

Honestly the biggest blunder I think is passing on Caufield.

 

[VladDrag]

Yeah, lots of bad things and things to complain about regarding this organization but anyone that says they shouldn't have taken Patrick is lying to themselves. Gauthier sure people were split on that pick and there are definitely arguably better fits but Patrick was not a bad pick without knowing the future.

Honestly the biggest blunder I think is passing on Caufield.

I would rather have Boldy or Harley over Caufield (Although I don't blame them for taking York over Harley).

 

[orangey]

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[Redpath]

In hindsight it ended badly. But go back to the night of the draft it was the consensus top 2 pick. Maybe we should bump the thread from that night

Being a consensus top 2 pick doesn't really mean anything if the consensus is wrong though. Even if we ignore Patrick's injuries, do we really think he ends up a better player than Makar has been? That is an evaluation failure.

Celebrini is the consensus #1 pick, but San Jose's scouts better be doing all their due diligence to have arrived at that consensus and to be certain that he ends up better than Demidov. Striking out on that evaluation and saying in a few years "But Celebrini was the consensus!" won't be a great excuse for making the wrong projection. That is the entire point of scouting.

 

[Embiid]

Being a consensus top 2 pick doesn't really mean anything if the consensus is wrong though. Even if we ignore Patrick's injuries, do we really think he ends up a better player than Makar has been? That is an evaluation failure.

Celebrini is the consensus #1 pick, but San Jose's scouts better be doing all their due diligence to have arrived at that consensus and to be certain that he ends up better than Demidov. Striking out on that evaluation and saying in a few years "But Celebrini was the consensus!" won't be a great excuse for making the wrong projection. That is the entire point of scouting.

The consensus pick at the time canard has always been a lazy logical fallacy used by many on this board....

An idiotic Tik Tok challenge can be the consensus "popular" fad at the time..doesn't make said stupid thing the right thing to do.

Those who follow never come in first....

 

[Magua]

Being a consensus top 2 pick doesn't really mean anything if the consensus is wrong though.

The consensus is never wrong. Just make your draft list match Bob McKenzie, and you'll save yourself a ton of arguments. Trust.