Roster Moves: Roster Thread Talk 2021: it never ends

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TB87

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Hey at least the left side of the crease looks worse than his side? I dunno lol

You're grasping at straws good sir.

it’s okay. If I weren’t so cynical/skeptical about this move I’d look for any potential positive as well. Alas…
 
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Ironmanrulez

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Christ, no it's not. This isn't baseball in which every event is separate. This is hockey, where everything is a fluid mess.

This isn't a game in which you put the 18 best statistical players on the ice and watch them win the cup. Theres a reason that several teams who are regular season offensive powerhouses crumble in the playoffs. Will puting the statistically best players give you a stronger chance to make the playoffs? Absolutely. No one here argues against that, is it a guarantee of success, no.

If this was science, then we would simply be watching the games for nothing short of the freak incidents or outliers. That isn't the case.

My issue with grading Risto as a failure is that he has been playing on a losing franchise his entire professional career, in which, outside of him playing like the best defensive player in the league wasn't going to alter the result in any meaningful way. That level tends to allow errors to manifest in your game, for mistakes to be amplified, and for your care factor to dissapear.

Unless you are about to tell me that you have a season ticket to Buffalo and have seen all of his games, I'm going to make the presumption that you have no idea what he appears to be doing wrong on the ice other than 4 coloured boxes on a twitter image. Are his errors fixable, is it a collection of poor mechanics or decision making, is he trying to overcompensate for poor teammates, or a poor goaltender. Is he being coaches or instructed to perform in a way that doesn't benefit his skill set?

You keep saying that he could improve but never be great. We don't need him to be great. We need a middle of the road middle pairing defenseman, that can handle big lumps in the corners. If the guy tops out as a solid #3 or #4 then it's a successful move and he'll be paid relative to what he brings. If he holds his own and can lead the bottom pairing, then we've have overpaid to bring in a 5th defenseman with a first round pick, there are worst things that could happen, it's not great but it doesn't require months and months of shit posting.

You talk about being irrationally emotive, thats sport, in a nutshell. If you aren't emotionally invested in this then why are you here, on a dedicated team message board constantly shitting on the team, its coaches, owners or even the mascot. Are you trying to tell me that you have no emotional connection to the team whatsoever? Because I'm going to call bullshit. Casual fans don't have thousands of posts here.

This is the exact place that we should be all irrationally emotive because wether I want it to or not, the flyers performance will have a profound impact on my emotional mood through the season. Repeating the same three lines in the offseason f***ing grates people down, people come here, as with watching sport in the first place, to escape reality for a small portion of their day.

The constant negging of enthusiasm I see here is high on the scale of pathetic. I don't know if it makes people feel superior to berate people for being excited about an aspect, but it sure is sad. Like I said. I'm gonna wait for the puck to drop, and if he f***s up then I'll vent like everyone else here. But I try and contain my negativity until they actually get on the ice and prove nothing has changed. But whatever, you got me. Save your counter post of "strawman...., waahh look at him cry...., boomer dumb fan... , hypocrit..... because frankly I couldn't give a shit anymore.

/irrational emotiona

I like your emotions and your pov about being emotional about the franchise. And i think we all here need to stop to be negative every time. But the Risto trade was bad and will be bad.
 
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Very well said....honestly it is hard to come and partake with my fellow Flyer fans here because they are the worse negative nancy's I know of in the Hockey world....I have to say many almost come off childish and very predictable.....you would think we do not have a roster worthy of an AHL squad let alone the NHL.....perhaps many here are very young still...or perhaps its more of a general Philly sports fan cynicism coming to the fore.....I don't know for sure but it does make this board,save for a few posters, very hard to follow.
Can you give an example why you think we are too negative?
 
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yup, they just dont get the fact when you dont have a superstar on your team it's very difficult to win a cup, they just want to think that bottom barrel of players are going to turn into superstars and the odds of that arent very good, i mean when we were bad the one year to get kane and chicago took him and you knew that was rigged for chicago because philly had the best odds of getting him. garry isnt going to give us a superstar, no matter how hard we tank, he's going to give it to someone else. the best thing to do is trade for that player or get him in fa, relying on the draft is impossible because gary will rig it and the flyers will be a dumpster fire for years.

i love all the moves that chuck is doing, it's the best thing he can do right now. there's no other way.
Sure garry knows Patrick will be bad also so he gave us the 2nd overall pick also. Sure bro


All the moves from Fletcher are good cause there is no other way??? Are you that simply structured?
 

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Sure garry knows Patrick will be bad also so he gave us the 2nd overall pick also. Sure bro


All the moves from Fletcher are good cause there is no other way??? Are you that simply structured?

yeah, the other thing you want to hear is tank and suck for years which will give us what exactly? what's tanking done for the oilers and sabres? where has it gotten them in the past decade? it's always when things dont go our way, throw in the towel rather than stay competitive. you act talent is easy to get in the draft, lottery and draft classes dont matter either because every player you draft is gold and the greatest coaches can turn them into superstars.

when that doesnt work out, it's the coaches fault like when did sid and ovi need the greatest nhl coaches to make them superstars? even though they already superstars from the draft.
 

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The argument against having the gall to admit an organization needs to harvest some top end picks for a few years always makes me chuckle when Buffalo and Edmonton are brought up.

Why not bring up Pittsburgh? Chicago? I wonder if Tampa has a couple rings without Hedman or Washington without Ovechkin? Colorado is really hating life.

Those with houses made of glass shouldn’t really throw stones, especially when they are forced into marketing Kevin Hayes over that bum McDavid.
 

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The argument against having the gall to admit an organization needs to harvest some top end picks for a few years always makes me chuckle when Buffalo and Edmonton are brought up.

Why not bring up Pittsburgh? Chicago? I wonder if Tampa has a couple rings without Hedman or Washington without Ovechkin? Colorado is really hating life.

Those with houses made of glass shouldn’t really throw stones, especially when they are forced into marketing Kevin Hayes over that bum McDavid.
Or you try to emulate a team like Boston. A team that hasn't had a top 3 pick since 2010 and Seguin only played three seasons for them.
Or St. Louis. Their last top 5 pick was in 2008.

Hoping for a lucky top pick in the draft only creates more misery. It's more likely you're building a losing environment and end up like Ottawa or Buffalo.
Hedman was drafted in 2009 and it took the Lightning more than 10 years to win a Cup with him. And they didn't achieve that because of their great first round picks. They've wasted a top 3 pick on Jonathan Drouin when Seth Jones was available.
Chicago only got Toews because two teams passed on him and rather picked Erik Johnson and Jordan Staal.
Pittsburgh and Washington got generational players in Crosby and Ovechkin. You're probably going to wait a long time if that's the goal.
There's way too much luck involved to just tank your way to a Stanley Cup.
 
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FlyerNutter

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Or you try to emulate a team like Boston. A team that hasn't had a top 3 pick since 2010 and Seguin only played three seasons for them.
Or St. Louis. Their last top 5 pick was in 2008.

Hoping for a lucky top pick in the draft only creates more misery. It's more likely you're building a losing environment and end up like Ottawa or Buffalo.
Hedman was drafted in 2009 and it took the Lightning more than 10 years to win a Cup with him. And they didn't achieve that because of their great first round picks. They've wasted a top 3 pick on Jonathan Drouin when Seth Jones was available.
Chicago only got Toews because two teams passed on him and rather picked Erik Johnson and Jordan Staal.
Pittsburgh and Washington got generational players in Crosby and Ovechkin. You're probably going to wait a long time if that's the goal.
There's way too much luck involved to just tank your way to a Stanley Cup.

Hey that’s fair.

I’m just ready for something new. We have done this song and dance for many years. We are dialed in to hammer in a few more.

If it doesn’t work, similar to the seeming obsession with defensive play that’s lead to nowhere for years. A change up in strategy would be warranted.
 

TB87

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It helps to strategically tank and get lucky. It also helps to have a great player development staff. It also helps to have a forward-thinking front office and coaching staff that isn’t completely, & totally obsessed with defense and only defense. It also……etc.
 

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Hoping for a lucky top pick in the draft only creates more misery. It's more likely you're building a losing environment and end up like Ottawa or Buffalo the Flyers over the last decade.

Just made a small edit :(

Kidding aside, I'm actually excited for the season now. A lot of new faces, and hopefully that was the shakeup the team needed to hit that next gear.

I'm not counting on a deep run this year, but I'd be happy to see a team that looks like it's headed in the right direction.
 

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Are there any moves that you can come up with for secondary targets, players like Monahan, Hertl and Manson, that you think we can reasonably acquire and would be an improvement?

As for me, I think that we're essentially done as far as "practical" trade capital goes. I don't see any moves that we can make that wouldn't require us to deal an asset like Farabee or Konecny, etc. to improve elsewhere.
 

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Are there any moves that you can come up with for secondary targets, players like Monahan and Manson, that you think we can reasonably acquire and would be an improvement?

I think that we're essentially done as far as "practical" trade capitol goes. I don't see any moves that we can make that wouldn't require us to deal an asset like Farbee or Konecny, etc. to improve elsewhere.


there always room for trading away youth for another old AV dog..

just ask Fletch
 

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Just made a small edit :(

Kidding aside, I'm actually excited for the season now. A lot of new faces, and hopefully that was the shakeup the team needed to hit that next gear.

I'm not counting on a deep run this year, but I'd be happy to see a team that looks like it's headed in the right direction.
Personally, I want more than the right direction. We were apparently on that "right direction" after we lost to the islanders in the 2nd round. I do think we will head that direction again this year but it’s what comes after that will show if we are serious. That starts with signings and development of our prospects. Going to be interesting to see our makeup next year and what fletcher does
 

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Personally, I want more than the right direction. We were apparently on that "right direction" after we lost to the islanders in the 2nd round. I do think we will head that direction again this year but it’s what comes after that will show if we are serious. That starts with signings and development of our prospects. Going to be interesting to see our makeup next year and what fletcher does

Exactly, it's a non-linear process. It looked like the team was headed in the right direction, but hit a major snag.

Let's see how that works out over the next few seasons.
 
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Manson vetoed a trade to Winnipeg. Said his wife was from Southern California and has no interest in leaving.
 
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Christ, no it's not. This isn't baseball in which every event is separate. This is hockey, where everything is a fluid mess.
Exactly. Much easier to evaluate individual player performance with metrics in baseball than in hockey.
 
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