Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[K8fool]

Why am I targeted With this ?

im one eho is not sky is falling, negative, this teams suck, KA is sn idiot.

How reliable is this source

Apologies yr not. Just saw bills posts and then here.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I vote Krebs. Give him a full, honest, extended run with talented linemates and see if he sinks or swims.

I suppose Krebs should get some ice time in that role, but it worries me to have a struggling Cozens and Krebs on a line with a rookie. Hand grenades everywhere. Rousek plays a straight game that might be safer. Another couple linemates at a different time, put Krebs in.

 

[Djp]

The idea that there is an "expected" timeline on prospects, and that most late first round prospects are going to play in the NHL with just a half of season or even just one season of minors and not heavily struggle at times is not really a thing.

All prospects develop at different rates. You are talking about later first round picks. Just look at the list of forwards meeting that criteria and their paths so far.

2018

13. Ty Dellandrea
14. Joel Farabee
15, Grigori Deniseko
16. Martin Kaut
18. Liam Foudy
19. Jay Obrien
20. Rasmus Kupari
23. Isaac Lunderstrom
25. Dominik Bokk
30 Joe Veleno

2019

15. Cole Caufield
16. Alex Newhook
17. Peyton Krebs
21. Samuel Poulin
23. Simon Holmstrom
24. Philip Tomassino
25. Connor McMichael
26. Jakob Pelletier
27. Nolan Foote
28. Ryan Suzuki
29. Brayden Tracey
30. Johnny Beecher

2020

13, Seth Jarvis
14. Dylan Holloway
17. Lukas Reichel
18. Dason Mercer
21. Yegor Chinakhov
22. Hendrix Lapierre
23. tysom Foerster
24. Connor Zary
26. jake Neighbors
27. Jacob Perreault
28. Ridly Greig
29. Brendan Brisson
30. Mavrik Bourque
31. Ozzy Wiesblatt

The paths these kids are taking to get to the league are all over the map. Some will find success as teenagers(rarely). Some will have a quick linear paths like you are expecting. Some will take more time and won't get their first limited NHL action until they are 22 or 23. Some will be late bloomers, and some will bust.

There will likely be more five year development players and late bloomers that eventually make the league than there will be guys that follow the path you described.

Now look at 2017's draft and look at the guys that made large strides the past two years.

Vilardi, Necas, Chytil, Yamamoto, Tolvanen... lots of ups and downs through their early 20s.

Putting any kind of strict development timeline on players, especially players that have had Achilles surgery and missed substantial time of one of their development years is a mistake in my opinion. There will never be a standard timeline for player development, regardless of where they are drafted.

What I’m talking about

top 5 step in during the season after the draft but you expect them to be the team the next season
a person drsfted late teens as a F you usually have them on club in year 3. They might split yr 1 of ELC but you pencil them for their 2nd ELC year
2nd rd you think last yr of ELC.
you aren’t expecting anything from outside top 100.
sure there is some variability and things like europe or college route could delay things.

I don't see Bryson's contact being qualified after the season.

He is arb eligible so unlikely.

I suppose Krebs should get some ice time in that role, but it worries me to have a struggling Cozens and Krebs on a line with a rookie. Hand grenades everywhere. Rousek plays a straight game that might be safer. Ano couple linemates at a different time, put Krebs in.

Skinner -Krebs—Tuck
Peterka-Tage+xxxxxxx
xxx—Mitts- Cozens

 

[debaser66]

Send Krebs to Rochester to work on the fundamentals.
He is not helping this team & he isnt getting any ice time.
It seems like he has forgotton everything he has learned last year.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Skinner -Krebs—Tuck
Peterka-Tage+xxxxxxx
xxx—Mitts- Cozens

Skinner and Tuch have been less responsible than Thompson. Putting Krebs between them just when they're starting to get back to good hockey is a bad idea...real bad. There just isn't a good place for Krebs in the top-six...because Krebs just isn't good right now and doesn't deserve it, and he'll drag his linemates down.

Z-man's idea to have him with Cozens and Savoie is risky too, but at least in that spot he isn't dragging down guys that are going to produce otherwise. A Krebs-Cozens-Savoie line can have limited ice time and not hurt the team so much. But again, I'd rather just substitute Rousek.

 

[TehDoak]

Compared to what the Sabres had last season, it's inarguably and significantly better.

Yes, Johnson/Clifton are better than Bryson/Clague.

I think in an ideal world it's:

XXXXX-Dahlin
Power-XXXXX
Samuelsson-E. Johnson/Clifton.


Or maybe swap Power/Samuelsson and give Power less tough assignments while he learns to play in his own end better. Either way, there is still plenty of room to grow on defense.

We've got a top pair, elite offensive d-man in Dahlin.

We have a potential top pair d-man in Power.

I like Samuelsson but I still think there is room to improve. Clifton is a bottom pair d-man.

Johnson has been a mixed bag. For now I guess his best spot is supporting Power on the 2nd pair.

That being said, Joker's future is probably in doubt here. With Dahlin/Johnson/Clifton on the RH side for now and I don't think Power is able to support Joker's defensive gaffes long term.

Ekholm last year would have been a perfect fit to play with Dahlin. But a similar type of defensively responsible, good skating top pair d-man would be perfect while Samuelsson grows into that role and is mentored by him.

I think the d-core is a bit of a 'talent stew' like the rest of the team. There is a lot of good ingredients there simmering together, but it doesn't look like any recipe was followed to make a cohesive, effective unit. The same could be said for the offense.

Lot's of talent....very few guys have clearly defined roles other than Dahlin.

 

[TageGod]

What I’m talking about

top 5 step in during the season after the draft but you expect them to be the team the next season
a person drsfted late teens as a F you usually have them on club in year 3. They might split yr 1 of ELC but you pencil them for their 2nd ELC year
2nd rd you think last yr of ELC.
you aren’t expecting anything from outside top 100.
sure there is some variability and things like europe or college route could delay things.

He is arb eligible so unlikely.

Skinner -Krebs—Tuck
Peterka-Tage+xxxxxxx
xxx—Mitts- Cozens

please erase my memory Men in Black style so I can forget I ever had to witness this abomination of a suggestion.

 

[MOGlLNY]

 

[Sabre the Win]

The 6-6-0-1 record is well deserved. It's not all on the D but I don't get why defence cannot be the strength of the team.

You have done this twice now and I can't figure out for the life of me what the 0 is? W-L-OTL

EDIT: Oh ties? Yeah they don't have ties anymore. You either win or you don't.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

You have done this twice now and I can't figure out for the life of me what the 0 is? W-L-OTL

EDIT: Oh ties? Yeah they don't have ties anymore. You either win or you don't.

In some places, I THINK OTL and SOL are columned separately?

 

[joshjull]

RJ has looked darned good.........but I don't know if he's played comprehensively well enough to knock any of our when-healthy top 6 out (yet).

The "good" news is that it seems like we're destined to rarely have our top 6 healthy at once, so he'll get a bunch of games.

But I think when everyone is healthy, he's down in Rochester getting tons of top-pair minutes. You can't keep him up as a #7 guy.....and EJ has shown zero signs of slowing down at all. Hell, he's got me thinking that he's got one more year left on him.


I think we gotta "stay the course" here. Johnson plays if there's extended-time injuries, otherwise Bryson fills in for the one-game suspensions or one-game nicks and dents.

I just hope they take advantage of R.Johnson’s play to let Sammy fully heal from whatever he’s dealing with. He’s been playing banged up since the season started and it’s impacted his play.

It’s nice to have a top 4 depth dman.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Does anyone know what Tuch is battling?

He's looked great to last couple games and wouldn't have guessed he's playing injured

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Yes, Johnson/Clifton are better than Bryson/Clague.

I think in an ideal world it's:

XXXXX-Dahlin
Power-XXXXX
Samuelsson-E. Johnson/Clifton.


Or maybe swap Power/Samuelsson and give Power less tough assignments while he learns to play in his own end better. Either way, there is still plenty of room to grow on defense.

We've got a top pair, elite offensive d-man in Dahlin.

We have a potential top pair d-man in Power.

I like Samuelsson but I still think there is room to improve. Clifton is a bottom pair d-man.

Johnson has been a mixed bag. For now I guess his best spot is supporting Power on the 2nd pair.

That being said, Joker's future is probably in doubt here. With Dahlin/Johnson/Clifton on the RH side for now and I don't think Power is able to support Joker's defensive gaffes long term.

Ekholm last year would have been a perfect fit to play with Dahlin. But a similar type of defensively responsible, good skating top pair d-man would be perfect while Samuelsson grows into that role and is mentored by him.

I think the d-core is a bit of a 'talent stew' like the rest of the team. There is a lot of good ingredients there simmering together, but it doesn't look like any recipe was followed to make a cohesive, effective unit. The same could be said for the offense.

Lot's of talent....very few guys have clearly defined roles other than Dahlin.

Bryson at #8 and no need to call up a fringe guy from Rochester with one d-man out is a huge improvement in depth. I'm happy to let Granato sort out the pairings.

That depends on continued solid play from from Ryan Johnson though. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Similar to Mitts, I hope we are finally seeing Jokiharju find his game at this level. We tend to forget he's still only 24. Some defensemen take longer to figure it out.

 

[joshjull]

 

[joshjull]

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

You have done this twice now and I can't figure out for the life of me what the 0 is? W-L-OTL

EDIT: Oh ties? Yeah they don't have ties anymore. You either win or you don't.

Not exactly. But thanks. Some wins are worth less. I see OT wins in the first column often, but they don't count the same way in tiebreaker scenarios so records are often expended out with OT wins in another column. It should probably be five columns really to distinguish OT wins and shootout wins.

NHL Playoff Push: Which teams have tie-breaker advantages?

With four weeks left in the regular season and playoff races tightening, we need to start considering who holds the tie-breaker advantage in all the key races. It's another big week in the playoff chase with some key games ahead. Here are the teams we're focusing in on...

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[Doug Prishpreed]

Does anyone know what Tuch is battling?

He needed to put on a fresh layer of duct tape to hold his body together.

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[Doug Prishpreed]

Here are my cap space calcs for the next few years if anyone is interested...

 

[Irie]

Here are my cap space calcs for the next few years if anyone is interested...

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So in four years, when all of the core should be in their prime, the team is icing 8 ELC/bargain bin UFAs?

 

[Mattilaus]

So in four years, when all of the core should be in their prime, the team is icing 8 ELC/bargain bin UFAs?

If we are paying that kind of money to all those prospects then something has worked out very very right. 6.5 for all of savoie, Quinn, peterka, kulich, 7.5 for Benson, and 7 for Levi. The likelihood of all them still being here and producing at a rate to make those dollars is low. It's likely we lose a couple and/or some don't pan out to those kind of dollar amounts. If even one isn't here that's enough money for a decent to good 4th line on its own.

Also this is why it's important to keep a well stocked pipeline with elcs coming in.

 

[Irie]

If we are paying that kind of money to all those prospects then something has worked out very very right. 6.5 for all of savoie, Quinn, peterka, kulich, 7.5 for Benson, and 7 for Levi. The likelihood of all them still being here and producing at a rate to make those dollars is low. It's likely we lose a couple and/or some don't pan out to those kind of dollar amounts. If even one isn't here that's enough money for a decent to good 4th line on its own.

Also this is why it's important to keep a well stocked pipeline with elcs coming in.

It comes down to having playoff performing depth, which is not ELC players or bargain bin 1M vets.

I think @Doug Prishpreed did a good job of realistically estimating raises, but this team is going to have to move some of the top 6 talent for the playoff grit if they want to get out of the second round.

I also think that this problem starts next offseason. Having 8 ELCs\bargain bin retreads next year is not going to cut it. They are going to need to start thinking about bringing in a difference maker or two in that bottom 6.

I have been the poster child on this board for preaching patience with this rebuild, but the time to start to make those moves is quickly approaching, and I think it may need to begin next offseason.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

In some places, I THINK OTL and SOL are columned separately.

Yes, that's the way it should be, but some people thing all wins are the same. My mistake is I needed one more column. 6-6-0-0-1

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

So in four years, when all of the core should be in their prime, the team is icing 8 ELC/bargain bin UFAs?

This is more like “current trajectory” as opposed to what I think it should/will look like in reality. It’s more of a salary dashboard of sorts.

I obviously wouldn’t have so many ELCs if we weren’t already over the cap in those years.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

If we are paying that kind of money to all those prospects then something has worked out very very right. 6.5 for all of savoie, Quinn, peterka, kulich, 7.5 for Benson, and 7 for Levi. The likelihood of all them still being here and producing at a rate to make those dollars is low. It's likely we lose a couple and/or some don't pan out to those kind of dollar amounts. If even one isn't here that's enough money for a decent to good 4th line on its own.

Also this is why it's important to keep a well stocked pipeline with elcs coming in.

Basically, if they all earn the raises I think they will, we’ll just have to trade a few. Good problem to have with so few locked up long term.

It’s hard to see a future for Tuch beyond his currrent contract, the way the roster is being built.

 

[Irie]

This is more like “current trajectory” as opposed to what I think it should/will look like in reality. It’s more of a salary dashboard of sorts.

I obviously wouldn’t have so many ELCs if we weren’t already over the cap in those years.

I think it is a really good exercise in showing what the cap challenges are going to be, and nicely done, btw.

It should be required reading for everyone before they start making trade proposals to trade futures for a couple of players with 10M combined salary

I think seeing the future cap laid out this way shows that there are going to be some tough decisions, and one or two of the 7M dollar forwards will likely have to be moved in deals to better balance the roster. It also points out the glaring need for the cheap ELC talent influx required to remain competitive down the road like @Mattilaus pointed out. Keeping that pipeline flowing and staggering the prospects they bring up is going to be very important.