Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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Zman5778

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Its going to be interesting to see what happens to RyJo when Sammy comes back...

Guy looks like an NHLer and I think he should stay but where you would put him?

RyJo-Dahlin
OP-Sammy
EJ/Clifton-Joki

-Only one game, but the RyJo-Dahls pair looked nice and wonder how that would be longterm
-No knock to Joki, guy has been great but Sammy could help unlock OP to take more chances.

Idk i'm curious to see what Granato does.

RJ has looked darned good.........but I don't know if he's played comprehensively well enough to knock any of our when-healthy top 6 out (yet).

The "good" news is that it seems like we're destined to rarely have our top 6 healthy at once, so he'll get a bunch of games.

But I think when everyone is healthy, he's down in Rochester getting tons of top-pair minutes. You can't keep him up as a #7 guy.....and EJ has shown zero signs of slowing down at all. Hell, he's got me thinking that he's got one more year left on him.


I think we gotta "stay the course" here. Johnson plays if there's extended-time injuries, otherwise Bryson fills in for the one-game suspensions or one-game nicks and dents.
 
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EJ (and Clifton) provide a service on the PK. As long as they are not getting caved in at ES they cant come out.

Without an injury there isn’t a spot for R Johnson to get the minutes. But there’s always an injury soon enough.
 

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What's a Power Play setup? 🤷🤔
Its a drop pass in the neutral zone while 3 players remain stationary on the blue line. Then we hope that the trailing player can get through the defense by some stroke of luck. If that happens, the puck goes into the corner and hopefully someone can win a puck battle to kick it to the point. Both of those things occurring has about a 20% success rate. Jeez, do you even watch Sabres hockey?
 

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Its a drop pass in the neutral zone while 3 players remain stationary on the blue line. Then we hope that the trailing player can get through the defense by some stroke of luck. If that happens, the puck goes into the corner and hopefully someone can win a puck battle to kick it to the point. Both of those things occurring has about a 20% success rate. Jeez, do you even watch Sabres hockey?
Thats not what they have been doing, as soon as the puck carrier enters the zone he immediately passes back to the player that is standing stationary on the blueline at the wall.
 

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The boys are starting to come together, the inconsistency is a hallmark of a young team, a lot of the drivers of this team are still babies, but they have been getting better and better every game, you can see the maturation happening every day. I really believe this team has the potential to be great, but they need to continue to take steps forward. Fix the damn powerplay, get rid of Olofsson and replace him with ANYONE and I have no doubt they can make the playoffs.
 

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You can't buy points and the D corps isn't the reason they have lost the games they have so its a pointless thing to really bitch and moan about ad nauseum.

Yeah, you can't make your team better with $8.5 million. Yeah sure. Enjoy.
 

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My point, since you ignored it the first time, is that the crappy four D-men we relied on last season played 162 games. This season only one of them remains and he's only played 3 out of 13 games. Project that out to about 18 games for the season. That's about 150 man-games worth of better D-men in the line-up this season, yet you're complaining rather heartily about the ONE guy that's still around and hardly playing as if it's going to be THE reason why they miss the playoffs. Bryson is 13th or 14th on the list of what the team can improve on right now.

Edit - oh hey I forgot...Buffalo won each game Bryson played in this season. Yeah I want him further down the depth chart or gone, but he hasn't been a playoff ruiner yet like you've been going on about.

It's still way short, and if you think Erik Johnson plays 82 games, good luck. Who even wants him playing 82 games? He's effective in a reduced role. The margin of playoffs is very thin for this team.

And I wouldn't really call Connor Clifton this major addition.

Sure, we upgraded, but how could you not? You talk like Johnson/Clifton were these stellar additions when they are 3rd pair guys. Nothing special. Clifton couldn't even crack a Bruins lineup in the playoffs.

The saviour for this team might be Ryan Johnson emerging.

We still need a top 4 D man. Jokiharju has been good but I'm not buying him as a top 4 guy. No way.

This team is 6-6-0-1 and has not been unlucky. They are just average which is sad because in some sports they have supreme talent.

Is the issue all D. No. I see Okposo on the powerplay and shake my head he's in this lineup.
 

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I think if Krebs has any chance of being salvaged he needs to go back down to the Amerks and not come back up until he's actually earned a spot. Mitts and Thompson were both brought into the NHL prematurely and needed to go back down. It worked out well for both of them, maybe it can work for Krebs too.

I don't think Krebs has any future as a bottom 6 grinder type. He's 2-3 inches shorter and 20-30lbs lighter than the guys who excel in that role. He's either going to make it in a skilled role, where size doesn't matter, or he's not going to make it.
 
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It's still way short, and if you think Erik Johnson plays 82 games, good luck. Who even wants him playing 82 games? He's effective in a reduced role. The margin of playoffs is very thin for this team.

And I wouldn't really call Connor Clifton this major addition.

Sure, we upgraded, but how could you not? You talk like Johnson/Clifton were these stellar additions when they are 3rd pair guys. Nothing special. Clifton couldn't even crack a Bruins lineup in the playoffs.

The saviour for this team might be Ryan Johnson emerging.

We still need a top 4 D man. Jokiharju has been good but I'm not buying him as a top 4 guy. No way.

This team is 6-6-0-1 and has not been unlucky. They are just average which is sad because in some sports they have supreme talent.

Is the issue all D. No. I see Okposo on the powerplay and shake my head he's in this lineup.
You just talked about points that I didn't even make...

Ok maybe EJ doesn't play 82. RyJo takes those games.

Clifton isn't a major addition. I know because I've said so for two months.

Joker. Whatever, he was here last year too.

Their record, unlucky, Okposo...nothing I ever mentioned.

This is the issue - the depth of the D-corps is MUCH better than last season, and therefore Bryson is a minute part of the equation for why they aren't playing better. Don't bother responding if you can't stay on the topic that YOU started.
 

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You just talked about points that I didn't even make...

Ok maybe EJ doesn't play 82. RyJo takes those games.

Clifton isn't a major addition. I know because I've said so for two months.

Joker. Whatever, he was here last year too.

Their record, unlucky, Okposo...nothing I ever mentioned.

This is the issue - the depth of the D-corps is MUCH better than last season, and therefore Bryson is a minute part of the equation for why they aren't playing better. Don't bother responding if you can't stay on the topic that YOU started.

Their D is better coming off a ridiculous bottom. The signings they made were almost the minimum of what you would expect. Nothing players discarded by other teams that we overpaid on. And then we traded any depth we had. For a reason yet disclosed. That was my point. The guys we added were mediocre at best. And on top of it, we have no depth beyond Ryan Johnson who looks great (and maybe the Sabres anticipated he was ready).

Any injuries and we might be back to Bryson, Clague and Stillman, which is exactly what has happened. I think most people did not expect Bryson back this year as the 7th d man. He's on pace to play 20 games. That's just stupid for no reason.

My money would be on further injuries at some point this year, and expect to see the team at #8 and #9 on the depth chart in key games.

I still do not understand why the D cannot be better.

We have mostly an average D, which seems hard to believe when you start with Dahlin/Power.

The 6-6-0-1 record is well deserved. It's not all on the D but I don't get why defence cannot be the strength of the team.
 

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Their D is better coming off a ridiculous bottom. The signings they made were almost the minimum of what you would expect. Nothing players discarded by other teams that we overpaid on. And then we traded any depth we had. For a reason yet disclosed. That was my point. The guys we added were mediocre at best. And on top of it, we have no depth beyond Ryan Johnson who looks great (and maybe the Sabres anticipated he was ready).

Any injuries and we might be back to Bryson, Clague and Stillman, which is exactly what has happened. I think most people did not expect Bryson back this year as the 7th d man. He's on pace to play 20 games. That's just stupid for no reason.

My money would be on further injuries at some point this year, and expect to see the team at #8 and #9 on the depth chart in key games.

I still do not understand why the D cannot be better.

We have mostly an average D, which seems hard to believe when you start with Dahlin/Power.

The 6-6-0-1 record is well deserved. It's not all on the D but I don't get why defence cannot be the strength of the team.
You are simply and completely making @#$% up here.

Erik Johnson is nowhere near a "nothing player". Everyone watching sees how calm and steady he has been. He's a WORLD of difference from what we had for depth last season.

Neither is Clifton a nothing player. He's not that good to me, but he's still better than Fitz/Pilut/Clague by a wide margin.

Then you go acting like Lyubushkin was good depth. Clifton is actually better. And injuries will hurt any team. There aren't many clubs with guys that will hold their own as a #9 or #10, but Buffalo actually has that, and it's WAY better than last season whether Bryson is on the roster or not.

But I see the angle - what KA added is mediocre, while what he ditched is somehow better. This is a terrible angle you're going for and I don't actually believe you think it's true.
 

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You are simply and completely making @#$% up here.

Erik Johnson is nowhere near a "nothing player". Everyone watching sees how calm and steady he has been. He's a WORLD of difference from what we had for depth last season.

Neither is Clifton a nothing player. He's not that good to me, but he's still better than Fitz/Pilut/Clague by a wide margin.

Then you go acting like Lyubushkin was good depth. Clifton is actually better. And injuries will hurt any team. There aren't many clubs with guys that will hold their own as a #9 or #10, but Buffalo actually has that, and it's WAY better than last season whether Bryson is on the roster or not.

But I see the angle - what KA added is mediocre, while what he ditched is somehow better. This is a terrible angle you're going for and I don't actually believe you think it's true.

You keep comparing all this to last year. If that's your starting point, good luck. Lyubushkin was pushed down to a #6 or #7 player, which was where he belonged. The point was NOT to have him start every game but to have depth so when injuries come, we don't fall off the rails.

If you like mediocrity, have fun. I see a 6-6-0-1 team that is not really playoff-worthy 15% into the season.

The D is not the Sabres only issue but it was fixed with some old motors and nothing remotely high-end. So many prospects and Buffalo has been unwilling to trade for a top 4 D and only GMKA and ownership know why.

If we had made that trade, we would have a killer top 4 with the right RD. The bottom pair and spares would be RD heavy but GMKA and Granato insist that doesn't matter.

Anyway, this is what we got this year. Ryan Johnson is the only wildcard in all of this.

I suppose some will argue Ryan Johnson was always part of the plan. I certainly can't answer that. I hope he plays 22 minutes a game and is the new Toni Lydman. Love to be wrong and see the D become elite with him in the top 4.
 

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You keep comparing all this to last year. If that's your starting point, good luck. Lyubushkin was pushed down to a #6 or #7 player, which was where he belonged. The point was NOT to have him start every game but to have depth so when injuries come, we don't fall off the rails.

If you like mediocrity, have fun. I see a 6-6-0-1 team that is not really playoff-worthy 15% into the season.

The D is not the Sabres only issue but it was fixed with some old motors and nothing remotely high-end. So many prospects and Buffalo has been unwilling to trade for a top 4 D and only GMKA and ownership know why.

If we had made that trade, we would have a killer top 4 with the right RD. The bottom pair and spares would be RD heavy but GMKA and Granato insist that doesn't matter.

Anyway, this is what we got this year. Ryan Johnson is the only wildcard in all of this.

I suppose some will argue Ryan Johnson was always part of the plan. I certainly can't answer that. I hope he plays 22 minutes a game and is the new Toni Lydman. Love to be wrong and see the D become elite with him in the top 4.
And you bounced from claiming Bryson is a problem to saying that losing Lyubushkin is a problem. Damn if you think the difference between keeping Bryson over Lyubushkin (hot tip - he wanted out after the additions) is a reason they'll miss the playoffs, you're jumping the shark trying to find something to bitch about.

Does any GM completely revamp their D-corps from bad to elite in one summer? If that's what you were expecting then just go buy some lottery tickets and be happier with those results.
 

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He mentioned that in the clip. That he let his frustrations get the best of him. It escalated faster than he prepared himself for. That he needs to know who he’s up against and has to be smarter next time.

Hopefully it’s not too long of a recovery. Tough way to learn that lesson but probably an effective way for it to stick.
He sounded more embarrassed than anything else. Probably not only for a bad decision, but also for getting his clock cleaned.

That's a good thing imo. We don't want him tangling with the league's palookas.
 
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Its a drop pass in the neutral zone while 3 players remain stationary on the blue line. Then we hope that the trailing player can get through the defense by some stroke of luck. If that happens, the puck goes into the corner and hopefully someone can win a puck battle to kick it to the point. Both of those things occurring has about a 20% success rate. Jeez, do you even watch Sabres hockey?
Nah, it's Dahlin getting frustrated, making a self-pass off the boards while gaining the blueline, skating past the defender to collect the puck, and rocketing a wrister into the far side.

PP is set.
 
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