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Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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TehDoak said:
I am just curious:

Would the places the players live actually be in SLC proper?

Either way, how much is an ad for the boards for the coyotes last home game?

"Don't want to be a Mormon? Come to Buffalo, where God has abandoned us long ago!"
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SLC is a sprawled metro.

You don't really get to avoid Mormons in Maricopa county, 2 temples and they pretty much build a Mormon church next to every Jr & High School and the Mormon kids will take a personal hour and walk there for seminary.

They would be closer to where the church was founded if they went to Buffalo though.
 
Gras said:
Yea if you overlook the measured pours and 3.2% beer, went to the gentlemens club last time I was up there and those were just depressing.
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Happy Days are here again

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Beerz said:
Happy Days are here again

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Was there three weeks ago. Outside of the resorts, the liquor laws are still somewhat unusual. Pours of alcohol are still done behind the Mormon Curtain. They can’t mix a drink in front of you. They can sell beer above 3.2 but they restrict it to canned/bottles or those brewed in Utah. A few are good. The big kicker is that the dram shop laws are draconian and they will cut most people off after 2/3 drinks. The restaurant bars close early by most anyone’s standards and there is always a sense that ordering alcohol is a burden on the establishment. If you enjoy skiing, mountain biking, hiking flyfishing it is an awesome destination. Most pro athletes will not be participating in high risk endeavors that may threaten their career. The people I spoke with at dinner and the hotel I stayed at weren’t sure where the team would play. I am not convinced it will succeed there even though they seem to have a growing youth hockey community.

Ps I try and ski there once a year at least as it is still the greatest snow on earth.
 
Chainshot said:
Salvaging Thompson and Mittelstadt, righting Skinner, helping Dahlin recover from his time under Ralph... how soon we forget.

Not to say his time hasn't passed and yes, they need a new bench boss, but they would be in so much more trouble if he hadn't helped straighten those players out.
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While I wouldn't be upset with a change, I haven't landed here quite yet. The players still listen to him and he seems to have a good working relationship with the rest of the front office. There are some system issues like the lack of creativity creating ES offense from in zone possession, but for the most part their structure is ok. I don't put a lot of the defensive gaffes on him because no coach tells his players to puck watch or abandon the front of the net, so that stuff is on the players and their youth. I actually really liked how aggressive they were in the neutral zone last year even though it resulted in a lot of ugly break downs.

Now, Wilford, Ellis, and Christie can all go somewhere, and if Donny insists that they stay, then I'll jump on the new coach train immediately.
 
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joshjull said:
Thats an interesting question since it’s the same coaching staff that developed them into core pieces. So what was different this season vs last season?

Its having the pressure of expectations for the first time. Whether from a new contract or making the playoffs. This core faced them for the first time and mostly wilted.

I’m not defending the coaches. I think we need to clean house on that front. But I really think the players are getting a free pass when this is brought up. As if the coaching was the only thing holding them back.
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I believe the (mostly) team wide drop off is more a by-product of a shift in the league than from any shift in coaching Granato made.

Last season other teams were willing to run with the Sabers and trade chances. Watching the games, when buffalo would get possession, there was room through the neutral zone and carrying the blue line was an easy task because there was always space.

This season, teams have all gone back to a tighter, more disciplined gameplan and are stacking their blue line and that space is gone.

The Sabres are the only team in the league that didn't look at what Boston, Carolina and Vegas were doing to have success and try to emulate it. They opened the season mostly playing the same way by trying to stretch the ice and it played right into the game plan of most of the teams in the league.
 
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Jacob582 said:
"The Max" podcast (posted in the Byram thread) proposed three UFA names for our 3rd line center position.

Alexander Wennberg
Chandler Stephenson
Elias Lindholm (short term contract)
Sean Monihan
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Conceptually, sure I'd take any of these guys except Monahan (sorry, I can't stand dudes that lift their visors, it's a pet peeve of mine). But these are all guys that play over 18 minutes a night, realistically I don't see any of them coming here because:
  1. None of these guys will be happy with a 3rd line/bottom 6 role, they'll be looking for top 6 opportunities.
  2. KA will not want to bring someone in to slot above Tage or Cozens.

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Krebs audition went horribly. Another “Will Adams do enough to address this” spot to watch.

Irie said:
Since the Mittelstadt trade, the team has gone 8-8-1. They went 29-29-4 before the trade....

Makes me wonder if maybe some of these "Internet taking heads" aren't cherrypicking misleading stats a bit to create a narrative that the trade was worse for the team than it actually was.
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Jeff Skinner has 0 points in the last ten games. Most of which he’s spent on the third line. 0 points. In ten games. What way would you prefer people pick that stat to show the effectiveness of the third line? Do you agree they need a new center who can drive scoring because they traded one of two guys they had that can actually do it (spare me your Cozens. He needs his wingers to perform to get anything done. Mitts did it with anyone). Or do you think Krebs has been good enough to run it back and they just need jam guys to run into each other with truculence?
 
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Irie said:
Since the Mittelstadt trade, the team has gone 8-8-1. They went 29-29-4 before the trade....

Makes me wonder if maybe some of these "Internet taking heads" aren't cherrypicking misleading stats a bit to create a narrative that the trade was worse for the team than it actually was.
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Trying to connect one player to the teams record as a whole seems to be more of a cherry picking stat then anything.
 
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Jeff Skinner has 0 points in the last ten games. Most of which he’s spent on the third line. 0 points. In ten games. What way would you prefer people pick that stat to show the effectiveness of the third line? Do you agree they need a new center who can drive scoring because they traded one of two guys they had that can actually do it (spare me your Cozens. He needs his wingers to perform to get anything done. Mitts did it with anyone). Or do you think Krebs has been good enough to run it back and they just need jam guys to run into each other with truculence?
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The Tweet directly tries to build doom and gloom about the state of the team by cherry picking a stat and equating it to the Mitts trade, when in reality, the team is winning at exactly the same rate after the trade as before.

The truth of the situation is that the third line has had Tuch, Benson, Peterka, and Cozens on it at different times this season. Now that it doesn't have any true line drivers on it, it can't score (which should not be surprising to anyone). Trying to imply that the sole reason is the Mitts trade is a BS narrative.

How did the Skinner-Mittelstadt-Okposo line do when Granato was rolling them out together? No line driver, no points.

The constant this season has been that the third line has struggled when Benson, Tuch, or Cozens were not on it - even when Mitts was still here.

*EDIT* - This is also quite ironic coming from you, given that just 14 or 15 months ago you were daily posting "get Mitts off this team now - he's a trash hockey player and you can't win with him" posts in every GBU thread.
 
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CaliSabresfan24 said:
Trying to connect one player to the teams record as a whole seems to be more of a cherry picking stat then anything.
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The point is that the team is not seriously worse off after the trade. I am not the one posting these narratives to a widespread audience on the internet trying to draw correlations.

I am refuting his inferred point with the reality of the state of the team.

A lot of these guys have been pulling stats from all across the map to lambaste the trade. The trade was not a great fit, but it also wasn't catastrophic either. Mitts has 4 goals and 9 points and is pacing for a 49 point season on the powerhouse avalanche team, and he is a -1 in the +/- category.

I did not like seeing him traded, but let's not pretend that he is an irreplaceable allstar. He's a useful player, but some folks are trying to make the move out to be a much bigger loss than it actually is.
 
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Irie said:
The point is that the team is not seriously worse off after the trade. I am not the one posting these narratives to a widespread audience on the internet trying to draw correlations.

I am refuting his inferred point with the reality of the state of the team.

A lot of these guys have been pulling stats from all across the map to lambaste the trade. The trade was not a great fit, but it also wasn't catastrophic either. Mitts has 4 goals and 9 points and is pacing for a 49 point season on the powerhouse avalanche team, and he is a -1 in the +/- category.

I did not like seeing him traded, but let's not pretend that he is an irreplaceable allstar. He's a useful player, but some folks are trying to make the move out to be a much bigger loss than it actually is.
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I posted the tweet to point out that the secondary scoring has been terrible.. which it has. Including when the trade happened was irrelevant to me.

Its too early to tell who won the trade IMO I was just pointing out that you were using your own argument against yourself.
 
CaliSabresfan24 said:
I posted the tweet to point out that the secondary scoring has been terrible.. which it has. Including when the trade happened was irrelevant to me.

Its too early to tell who won the trade IMO I was just pointing out that you were using your own argument against yourself.
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For the record, I was not criticizing you for posting it. Posting it to the forum to have the topic discussed is great.

I just feel like some of these tweets from so called "media people" are framed in a disingenuous way to present a narrative that is not really real.

I read that tweet and to me it says, "the team is terrible since the trade". when in reality the team is exactly the same quality of team as they were before the trade. Mitts being gone has diluted the forward talent, but Granato's line combinations are the reason the third line isn't scoring. Mitts was always better suited on the second line than the third, and the need for a good two-way third line center has not changed, the team needed one before the trade, and still needs one after the trade.
 
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