Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)
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Sabre Dance
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Why is it lucky? They showed patience with UPL.
Said that he learned a lot in Vegas from Haula, Neal, MAF and a couple of other veteran guys. There was some talk about him participating at the NTDP with his father, not being sold on him being good enough to even be invited. He made a comment about them being the youngest team in the league and that they haven’t learned consistency. His direct quote That some days they are the hardest team to play against in the league and some days they are the easiest team in the league to play against.
Does not like the booing and the chanting about Don. Thinks they have played well/given it their all even after earlier mentioning that they have moments when the effort isn’t there.
thewookie1
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Frankly he sounds like a guy trying to both tell the truth and cover for his teammates. The booing thing seems to be more of a personal preference over any overarching theme.
I'm trying to parse out the working hard every game but not always having the effort. Maybe he's referring to the idea of they work hard but not always in a good fashion. Essentially they work stupid and accomplish nothing; the work is there but not the accomplishment.
I'm trying to parse out the working hard every game but not always having the effort. Maybe he's referring to the idea of they work hard but not always in a good fashion. Essentially they work stupid and accomplish nothing; the work is there but not the accomplishment.
MOGlLNY
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Yeah, seemed he went from the candid part, even maybe self-recriminating about maybe an effort play here or there and things snowball, and then back into hockey-speak about how hard they work later in the interview. *shrug*
The booing thing was his personal preference. And yes, he did a lot of the usual sports' cliches about how hard they work and how badly they want it.
KeyserSoze81
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sabremike
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I don't even want to listen to the interview after seeing the bullet points because all it's going to do is make me hate this team and entire organization even more than I already do right now.
sabremike
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As I've noted in the past: The point of no return for a franchise isn't anger it's indifference.
Everyone needs a break every now and then.
HaNotsri
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This is what we do to relax. What would we be without anger?
kirby11
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Very true. I was thinking mostly in terms of getting potential new acquisitions and Tage would still be 1C, but he definitely has to play better as well.
Doug Prishpreed
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Yeah just look at all of the small centers in important rolls on playoff teams. Oh right, there’s like 2 out of 48.
The theory that size doesn’t matter at center is just a theory that doesn’t ever really play out in reality.
In the context of the interview Tuch's comment about the fans booing isn't really much of anything. Basically he personally doesn't understand booing as a fan as his personal preference. It's not the first comment in the last couple of days taken out of context by the media.
I would say it’s not even being taken out of context by media unless it is by somebody I haven’t read. It seems to be taken out of context by people who are reading my bullet points that I came up with off the cuff while I was driving. I think people should listen to it for themselves Because it’s actually really good interview.
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Der Jaeger
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Disagree. How do centers like Point and Pettersson survive?
Pettersson is tall but he’s tail thin so he’s not getting the size advantage.
Center is about more than size. If you can play the position, it doesn’t matter what size you are.
Give me a center with hockey IQ and a willingness to compete low in his own zone before some bigger player who doesn’t offer either.
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Ace
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Tuch’s right that it’s not an excuse to point out that the team is so young. The problem is how many more years is this going to be the organizational plan? They just got a lot younger. Traded the two oldest players out and shave another four years off in their Mitts for Byram deal. Until prospects start being moved for proven players…their only future hope continues to reside in even younger players who haven’t made the league yet.
It’s a total left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing issue. Because you can catch Don and Kevyn talking about how they don’t think the youth is a problem because the young guys have a lot of experience.
So which is it? Is it the makeup of the roster? The coaching? The players? I mean it’s all of them but no one acts like it’s any of them. All each side does is talk in circles, not take responsibility and get mad when anyone questions another side.
How many more seasons can be lost without anyone having to answer for anything?
They’re probably going to be the youngest team in the league again next year. So should we just write off another one? Not hold coaching or management accountable for that? Or the players? What are we doing here? What is the plan?
It’s a total left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing issue. Because you can catch Don and Kevyn talking about how they don’t think the youth is a problem because the young guys have a lot of experience.
So which is it? Is it the makeup of the roster? The coaching? The players? I mean it’s all of them but no one acts like it’s any of them. All each side does is talk in circles, not take responsibility and get mad when anyone questions another side.
How many more seasons can be lost without anyone having to answer for anything?
They’re probably going to be the youngest team in the league again next year. So should we just write off another one? Not hold coaching or management accountable for that? Or the players? What are we doing here? What is the plan?
Doug Prishpreed
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Of course it’s about more than size. But it’s an absolute proven fact that small center prospects almost always get moved to wing to survive in the NHL. Of course there are exceptions but the data is the data and most people think Ostlund and Savoie will settle in as wingers in the NHL, if they can even stay healthy enough to make it.
Matt Ress
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Zman5778
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I think for you to make a sweeping, grandiose statement like "almost always" and THEN say "of course there are exceptions"....you need to define what you think of as small. I don't think anyone thinks that Ostlund is "small". He's 5'11". Savoie is 5'10".
A quick scan of NHL rosters tells me that there are plenty of 5'11" centers out there and more 5'10" centers than I thought there would be......especially given the "almost always" you claim.
I only saw a handful of 5' with single-digit inches though.
So to me, your claim is accurate with players 5'9" and shorter but kind of falls short otherwise, as there are lots of NHL-level centers that are 5'10" and 5'11'.
And I think your "most people" think statement is just flat wrong about Ostlund. I don't think I've seen one legitimate prospect media-type say/write lately that Ostlund is a likely winger (by lately, I mean post-draft...not pre-draft scouting reports).
Matt Ress
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Which traits do those smaller guys need to stick at center in your opinion?
Excellent skating
Two way play
IQ
Good passing
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