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Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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TehDoak said:
This is 7.5M under the cap:

Swap Vladar for Levi (saves 1.2M), Replace Girgensons with a ELC player or someone at 1M (saves 500k), and replace Blueger with Savoie (saves 1M)

The only real issue is only carrying 6 D-men, so lets say 9M under the cap is certainly possible. It's not pretty, but do-able.
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Not sure what are you debating here. I said 10M in free cap is not really possible unless you make an unrealistic roster. You are making an unrealistic roster to prove that you can hit 9M in free cap.

Do you honestly believe that that is what is going to happen? That the roster is going to look like your budget capfriendly exercise?

TehDoak said:
I mean, you are correct, this summer is the proof in the pudding. I think we'll see marginal spending and Joker moved out. But, I'd love to be wrong and see ownership re-invest and us be a cap team again.
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They probably won't be a cap team due to unwillingness to commit more salary to 2025-26 now (I fully expect them to be right up at the cap in 2025-26), but I also doubt we see the cost cutting selling off of players to pinch pennies this offseason that you are predicting, either.
 
Old Navy Goat said:
I sure as hell hope Buffalo would as he's a sub .5ppg player signed for 7 more years at a cap hit in excess of 6mil. Now I doubt Tampa would move him after giving him an 8yr contract in the off-season
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I would honestly think long and hard about it.

I believe Cirelli had a head injury last season and his game was off after that, and he started this season down as well.

He's always been a bit of a streaky scorer, but consistently gave the bolts solid D as a center.

Tampa fans were really down on him earlier this seasons but in the past 3 months (41 games) Cirelli has scored 25 points.

A 50 point pivot that gives you strong D on the 2nd line is probably worth 6+ million per season, but that contract takes him to 34, so it does have a lot of risk as well.

I think both sides decline, tbh.
 
Irie said:
I would honestly think long and hard about it.

I believe Cirelli had a head injury last season and his game was off after that, and he started this season down as well.

He's always been a bit of a streaky scorer, but consistently gave the bolts solid D as a center.

Tampa fans were really down on him earlier this seasons but in the past 3 months (41 games) Cirelli has scored 25 points.

A 50 point pivot that gives you strong D on the 2nd line is probably worth 6+ million per season, but that contract takes him to 34, so it does have a lot of risk as well.

I think both sides decline, tbh.
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The contract length, giving up a top 10 pick+ puts a bad taste in my mouth. For 6+ mil I'd want a better player
 
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DJN21 said:
Cirelli for 2024 first, Joker and a smaller plus...who says no?
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We do. Cirelli is having a rough season and his contract limits his value. The gap between him and Jokiharju is not our 1st.

I'd offer Rosén+Krebs. They save cap, we get a center who can defend. We probably have to buy out Skinner to make things work.
 
Old Navy Goat said:
The contract length, giving up a top 10 pick+ puts a bad taste in my mouth. For 6+ mil I'd want a better player
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I'd probably pass as well, but it isn't a super easy no for me. Good chance the pick is 10th or 11th, and this draft is not looking very exciting. I think if Cirelli were 25 instead of about to turn 27, I might be inclined to make the trade.

I actually think Tampa turns it down as well though.
 
Irie said:
Mitts was a cap casualty, not a budget casualty. Next year this team likely needs a fair amount of free cap to re-sign Peterka, Quinn, and Levi. UPL has played himself into a hefty raise this season, and bottom six help will never be cheap.

Giving Mitts a 6+ million dollar multi-year contract was always going to cause a major cap headache after Adams unexplainably gave Power 8+ million.

I agree that Joker is the likely odd man out eventually, but I believe he has two more RFA years remaining, so no rush to make a decision on him this off-season unless something comes up forcing Adams to require his cap space elsewhere.

It would not surprise me a bit if he is moved at the next TDL or in the 2025 off-season, but I believe he is still here when training camp opens this Fall.
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Mitts cap hit would've been easy to take if they just traded someone like JJP, who plays a much less valuable position, and is a far more redundant skill set on the team than Mitts.

Of course, JJP wouldn't have brought back anywhere near the same return, but that's because Mitts was more valuable. So we lost the more valuable player, in his prime, to keep a young, redundant winger who still hasn't proven he can be part of a winning team.
 
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Doug Prishpreed said:
Mitts cap hit would've been easy to take if they just traded someone like JJP, who plays a much less valuable position, and is a far more redundant skill set on the team than Mitts.

Of course, JJP wouldn't have brought back anywhere near the same return, but that's because he's more valuable. So we lost the more valuable player, in his prime, to keep a young, redundant winger who still hasn't proven he can be part of a winning team.
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Damn you JJ for not proving you can be a part of a winning team in your 144 game career
 
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truthbluth said:
Why are you so f***ing hostile about this? Trying to fill in for Jamie as the resident board hard ass? Skinner has been a bad player this season. Is he having a down year, or has his 31 year old started to slow home down enough that his famenisnt effective? We don't know, but my ONLY poin is that a buyout isn't inconceivable from either a financial or cap perspective. Jesus.
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How the hell am I being hostile? I didn’t attack you personally, like you just did to me. I disagreed with the premise of buying him out this offseason making sense financially/cap wise due to worries about age/declining play.** The only thing I got salty about was you telling me his cap it would be 9 million if he stayed and he isn’t going wave his NMC, as if I wouldn’t know these things.


** Skinner is a career 30g 55pt winger who is currently on pace for 29g 57pts. He’s being what he is, warts and all. I don’t see how that means he’s showing his age or slowing down. Especially with linemates/teammates like Tage/Tuch/Cozens having their production drop off in worse ways.

The funny thing is…. I don’t care if they buy them out, as I said in my previous post. But if they do, it’s not likely gonna be because they’re worried about his offense tailing off due to age. It will be because they want to change the dynamics of the top 6. To bring in somebody who brings things Skinner doesn’t; speed, defensive play size, toughness, etc.

But I’d be surprised if even those reasons would be enough for that to happen this summer because of how expensive it would be. Plus they could still add a player like that without buying him out.
 
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I will believe that the Sabres will spend the money to buy out Skinner when I see it.

Adams talks about how there are no financial limits to what he can do. Yet, he did not make a single deal involving retention again this year and they are once again well under the salary cap.

Actions are speaking louder than words right now.
 
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Jim Bob said:
I will believe that the Sabres will spend the money to buy out Skinner when I see it.

Adams talks about how there are no financial limits to what he can do. Yet, he did not make a single deal involving retention again this year and they are once again well under the salary cap.

Actions are speaking louder than words right now.
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There was no deal that needed retention.
 
Beerz said:
There was no deal that needed retention.
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There were deals that didn't happen (VO & ZG) that could have not happened because the Sabres were unwilling to retain what the other team needed to make a deal happen. Or, they were willing to retain, but wanted more for retaining than the other team offered.

And they once again will end the season with a lot of unused cap space and unused retention slots and have not been involved as a broker for other deals to add a pick or two.
 
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Jim Bob said:
There were deals that didn't happen (VO & ZG) that could have not happened because the Sabres were unwilling to retain what the other team needed to make a deal happen. Or, they were willing to retain, but wanted more for retaining than the other team offered.

And they once again will end the season with a lot of unused cap space and unused retention slots and have not been involved as a broker for other deals to add a pick or two.
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That's just pure speculation. Could have just been as easy as no one wanted VO and KA decided after moving Mitts that he needed to keep ZG so didn't put him on the block
 
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Really would have offered that to SJ for Hertl.

Girgs has more NHL in him he will get a contract. KO is done.

KA did not want to retain for peanut returns.
 
Beerz said:
Damn you JJ for not proving you can be a part of a winning team in your 144 game career
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Yeah! In order to be the scapegoat for every single problem on the team he has to reach *checks Owen Power’s game log* 146 games.
 
Beerz said:
Damn you JJ for not proving you can be a part of a winning team in your 144 game career
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He can be part of a winning team -- 100%. He just needs too much development still, and I'd like to the team to make the playoffs before 2028.

Ace said:
Yeah! In order to be the scapegoat for every single problem on the team he has to reach *checks Owen Power’s game log* 146 games.
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I'm fine trading him for a more experienced version too.

You guys have to purposely misconstrue every post so you can have some snarky ass, dumb thing to say. Otherwise, you have nothing but whining, table-pounding, and bad takes.
 
Ace said:
Yeah! In order to be the scapegoat for every single problem on the team he has to reach *checks Owen Power’s game log* 146 games.
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Have I ever said Owen Power hasn't proven or can't be on a winning team? ..

Keep reaching. Let's dig up your old Mitts posts and your old UPL posts. Joker posts?
 
Jim Bob said:
And that is concerning to me.
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Why? Maybe he was only asked for multi-year retention.
Doug Prishpreed said:
He can be part of a winning team -- 100%. He just needs too much development still, and I'd like to the team to make the playoffs before 2028.


I'm fine trading him for a more experienced version too.

You guys have to purposely misconstrue every post so you can have some snarky ass, dumb thing to say. Otherwise, you have nothing but whining, table-pounding, and bad takes.
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Has it ever occurred to you that you are the one with the bad takes all the time? Peterka for a 4C is absolute gold.
 
Doug Prishpreed said:
He can be part of a winning team -- 100%. He just needs too much development still, and I'd like to the team to make the playoffs before 2028.
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Well then say that.. that is a much more reasonable take... and I'm open to trading JJ for a more seasoned and more complete player. Just has to be right
 
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