As for #3, I think most posters were fine in him in a bottom line role and letting him earn his opportunities. The one who is being impatient is Adams by forcing him to sink or swim in a bigger role.
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As for #3, I think most posters were fine in him in a bottom line role and letting him earn his opportunities. The one who is being impatient is Adams by forcing him to sink or swim in a bigger role.
3) Why did we wait on Mittelstadt? I don't think Krebs has the same potential, but even if he does, why are we waiting on guys to develop just to turn around and trade them when they finally hit? Ostlund will be right behind Krebs...same scenario.
That's why I'm so against the Mittelstadt trade. But I feel that the issue is guys get traded once they push the internal budget over Pegula's limit, it's not actually about team building.
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If it was about money there are other players we could have traded.
With how flawed Thompson, Krebs and Cozens are our center spine is a joke. Since other teams don't give their centers away we are probably years from playoffs.
The team is a bad joke.
If they don't wait for them to start to break out to trade them, then when they move them the value returned is a Bryson instead of a Byram
We will find out this summer if there is an internal budget.
Personally I think the Sabres will be a "really close to a cap team" next season.
Adams painted himself into a corner with all the big contracts, and hopefully he is realizing he has to spend some money on the bottom six to get tougher to play against and add some more defensive options to that group. That was never going to happen with Mitts and UPL chewing up a ton of the available cap with so many players to sign.
I am not defending Adams. I did not like him moving Mitts, and the mess that led to the trade was all on Adams himself, I just think that this year Pegula isn't asking for a budget team, which I believe he absolutely did the past few seasons.
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I think the timer has started for Dahlin. In two to three years we'll likely start over again with a new "core"
I think those players were offered those big contracts because they still fit under budget. Now that limit has about been met, so I expect they'll stay around 5-7-10 mil under.
I wish to be wrong, but I just can't imagine KA acquiring a comparable center or better. He already talked about a checking C, so that pretty much says that after a couple bottom-six guys, he's done. That should leave them WELL under the cap...7-10 mil under.
Why is everyone saying the Sabres are trading away players once they breakout. Mitts and who else?
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There's a real chance the Sabres buyout Skinner this summer. His salary is $10 mill and the buyout costs $12 mil. It's probably better to wait a year, but it isn't unthinkable
I await the story about all the things he is playing with that are broken, beyond just his sense of direction into his own zone or being on the right side of the puck to win a puck battle when he's there.
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Do you see Savoie as a center long term?
Benson - Tage - Tuch
Peterka- Cozens - Quinn
Greenway - YYY - Savoie
Girgs - Krebs - ZZZ
XXX- Buy him out.
YYY- Vet center - (Laughton, Couture, TAVARES)
ZZZ - Player with an edge
Is Kulich ready??
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I would feel much better if we find out Skinner, Tuch, Cozens and Tage are all injured.
I wanted to keep mittlestadt, but getting Byram is cool and a guy with that age and pedigree is going to cost. It's cool we have the highest drafted defenceman from 2018, 2019, 2021.
I think we have so many chips to move for more help up front, but not the time of year really for those trades. If we come out of the draft without some changes to the forward group it'll be a massive disappointment.
I think we have so many chips to move for more help up front, but not the time of year really for those trades. If we come out of the draft without some changes to the forward group it'll be a massive disappointment.
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Feels he’s a valuable player and wants to re-sign him. That his situation is different than Okposo since he's much younger and has a lot of hockey left.
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I bet it is out of warranty too. That is gonna be expensive.
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I’d be very surprised if that happened. For starters, the buyout would cost 14.667mil. I don’t see Pegula eating that much money. But also the structure of the buyout is a mess.
24-25 —> 1.445mil
25-26 —> 4.445mil
26-27 —> 6.445mil
27-28 —> 2.445mil
28-29 —> 2.445mil
29-30 —> 2.445mil
Having almost 6.5mil in dead cap space would be a pain in the ass in year 3. It would 6mil if we bought him out the following year.
They could certainly work it if they had to. Regardless of what you a potential buyout would happen, 26-27 would be a pain in the ass.
Between the cap hit, the NMC and its overall structure. What the hell was Botts thinking with this contract?
EDIT: The best way to unload Skinner would be to eat part of his salary. Then we would be moving a small cap hit Skinner, which is a more attractive trade option for other teams. But we’d need his permission to trade him and that could be a mess.
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Like many of Botterill’s actions, what he was thinking, appears to be nothing.
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Ah so we're left with another boring couple of months with hope lying not in wins but a glimpse of some kids' first couple games. So, here are some thoughts for October that will probably look silly and short sighted by then...
Savoie- regular NHLer. Probably starts at 3RW
Levi- stays in the ROC barring injuries
Kulich- we'll see him more in March and April. Things may go in a lot of different directions.
Rosen- same as Kulich but less exciting
Top 6- they wait to see if Skinner rebounds. No buyout this summer. Hopefully a healthy Quinn and another step forward from the "it's time to get a job" line
Bottom 6- again Savoie. I guess a new face that ends up looking a lot like ERob on the ice.
Defense - could be pretty formidable with Dahlin - Bo
Power - Sammy
Cliff - Joker
Bryson who has actually been playing decent
Does Power settle in with Sammy having his back?
Does Bo take over PP2 duties or do they use 2D on PP2?
Is Joker shuffled out? You would think they would have moved him already if that's the case.
Do any of the kids (Forwards. Not expecting any young D to step in) look ready in the annual spring showcase?
Does the team start the season before January?
TLDR
Savoie- regular NHLer. Probably starts at 3RW
Levi- stays in the ROC barring injuries
Kulich- we'll see him more in March and April. Things may go in a lot of different directions.
Rosen- same as Kulich but less exciting
Top 6- they wait to see if Skinner rebounds. No buyout this summer. Hopefully a healthy Quinn and another step forward from the "it's time to get a job" line
Bottom 6- again Savoie. I guess a new face that ends up looking a lot like ERob on the ice.
Defense - could be pretty formidable with Dahlin - Bo
Power - Sammy
Cliff - Joker
Bryson who has actually been playing decent
Does Power settle in with Sammy having his back?
Does Bo take over PP2 duties or do they use 2D on PP2?
Is Joker shuffled out? You would think they would have moved him already if that's the case.
Do any of the kids (Forwards. Not expecting any young D to step in) look ready in the annual spring showcase?
Does the team start the season before January?
TLDR
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Keep in mind Skinner's cap hit w/o the buyout would be $9mil. Dead cap is a problem, but the last year of his contract, I'd rather $6.5 dead cap than $9mill invested in 34 year old Jeff Skinner.
As to the $14 mill cost, he's due $10 mill next season anyway. That NMC is never getting waived, except to go to Toronto who wouldn't take him at 50% retained.
Doug Prishpreed
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Every player in the NHL is injured by this time of year. If the doctors clear you, and you tell the team you're healthy enough to play...you need to be able to play. The Sabres aren't the only team who has injured players playing. Let's stop grading the team on a curve every year.
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With most players, you could pay a team a 1st round pick to take them with retainage, but Skinner sucks an extra amount in his unique desire to only live near where he grew up, even if it means an entire career defined by nothing but losing.
The guy cares about comfort, individual stats, and nothing else. Almost any other player would at least be open to a trade to a team with a cup chance by this point, but not Skinner. And that attitude permeates the locker room and rubs off on other players.
Anyway, with all of the wingers we have in the system, we can easily replace him with a cheaper version and still save cap space. The main hurdle is Pegula, like you mentioned.
The $6.5m dead space is only for one year. In the years that he's 33 and 34 it would only be $2.5m. It really seems like a no-brainer, if not this offseason, then definitely the next one. Even TPegs has to see that.
Reinhart was not traded after he broke out. He was very good for the sabres for years. Same with Eichel and ROR (and that was not prime ROR)
Ullmark wasnt even traded
I think you both highlighted the fact the sabres do not trade players right after they broke out. Not to mention how longago all those trades were...
Doug Prishpreed
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Does the Hertl move in Vegas make Roy available in the offseason? He'd be friggin perfect and has no trade protection. Crouse is another one. Time to pull a Tim Murray (or "a Vegas") and go get these types of players, whatever the cost.
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