Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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What this team needs and what Power will eventually become as a player in this league are completely different discussions.

While I agree he is currently a big part of the problem, (and I have repeatedly pointed out that his defense was lacking to one clueless poster who continued to push the false narrative that Power was good on D and was carrying Joker defensively for the past 12 months), to suggest with certainty that power is now a finished product defensively, right after he just turned 21, is criminally ignorant.

Power's transition D is not bad at all. His level of compete and puck battling has increased quite a bit in just one season. I expect the biggest strides in that area to really jump when he is closer to 24.

He has huge defensive lapses in the D zone and close to zero defensive discipline, which is not surprising playing under a coach that has not put much, if any focus on defensive discipline.

If the Sabres continue to ask him to be a transition monster and rove the way Makar and Dahlin do, then maybe his defense does not reach the next level. Or maybe he is asked to focus on D first under his next coach and he embraces it and becomes a strong two way defender. The skillset and hockey IQ are there. The compete is lacking now, but young 6'6 players often do lack that scrappiness until they get their man-strength and grow into their frames.

We do not know what OP will eventually become. For anyone to say that they know is just bullshit.
I'm only commenting here on the aforementioned idea of trading Power for Brady....we need a known commodity that has everything we have nothing of in terms of intangibles etc. I'll take the money now over the potential payout later. I know defense isn't the position we should be trading from by any means but I'd then turn any money gained (Oloffson, okposo, girgs, jost, ej, comrie, skinner buyout etc) into an offer for a Pesche type, or Roy and replace Power that way while adding a Brady type to this core. Never gonna all happen but what we do here is hypotheticals so why not...
 
What this team needs and what Power will eventually become as a player in this league are completely different discussions.

I agree they are two different discussions. Unfortunately, the team is using Power in a manner of what they need NOW, based on what Power COULD eventually become. Meaning they are utilizing him in ways he's not ready yet
. He shouldn't be used as a top 4 defenseman right now, even though they think he will eventually get there. I've said my thoughts of him needing to be in the AHL in other posts.

While I agree he is currently a big part of the problem, (and I have repeatedly pointed out that his defense was lacking to one clueless poster who continued to push the false narrative that Power was good on D and was carrying Joker defensively for the past 12 months), to suggest with certainty that power is now a finished product defensively, right after he just turned 21, is criminally ignorant.

While I hold the opinion that he's been bad, and from the original comment about him having a sophomore slump, I feel is wrong, as I feel it's who he has shown himself to be even prior to being drafted, I would think saying he NEVER will be competent defensively is a little too premature for my liking. But I do think that he's not in an environment to change his potential abilities and the level of his play.

Power's transition D is not bad at all. His level of compete and puck battling has increased quite a bit in just one season. I expect the biggest strides in that area to really jump when he is closer to 24.

I've been more than fine with his level of compete, and I feel his puck battling will improve as he gets stronger, but I've never been that worried about that, despite my comments of him learning to play the physical aspect of the game. It's always been the play away from the puck, and the decision making he makes.

He has huge defensive lapses in the D zone and close to zero defensive discipline, which is not surprising playing under a coach that has not put much, if any focus on defensive discipline.

If the Sabres continue to ask him to be a transition monster and rove the way Makar and Dahlin do, then maybe his defense does not reach the next level. Or maybe he is asked to focus on D first under his next coach and he embraces it and becomes a strong two way defender. The skillset and hockey IQ are there. The compete is lacking now, but young 6'6 players often do lack that scrappiness until they get their man-strength and grow into their frames.

Power is not dynamic enough to be a rover. He doesn't have the twitchy acceleration in his game or skating to be able to get to be that player. I feel his ceiling is Hanifin level defenseman. He will just be a large player that can skate well enough to stay in the league, that will play a soft finesse game most of the time.
 
I'm only commenting here on the aforementioned idea of trading Power for Brady....we need a known commodity that has everything we have nothing of in terms of intangibles etc. I'll take the money now over the potential payout later. I know defense isn't the position we should be trading from by any means but I'd then turn any money gained (Oloffson, okposo, girgs, jost, ej, comrie, skinner buyout etc) into an offer for a Pesche type, or Roy and replace Power that way while adding a Brady type to this core. Never gonna all happen but what we do here is hypotheticals so why not...

im not trading power for someone with under 3 yrs left of term.
 
Yeah that’s kinda what I figured, wasn’t sure if a trade of Colorado’s 2024 & 2025 first+Ritchie+RyJo for Tage would move the ball at all, but totally get wanting to move more towards a hockey trade if they were to ever move him.

to take RyJo costs you a 1st and you get back future considerations

Colorado doesn’t have what it takes
 
to take RyJo costs you a 1st and you get back future considerations

Colorado doesn’t have what it takes
I doubt it would take a first to dump Johansen since Nashville is already retaining 4M on his contract.

A guy pacing for 25 goals with a cap hit of 4M and one more year on his deal may have some value somewhere. I personally think he has close to neutral value, and his inclusion is just required to make the cap work, so the return is basically 3 late firsts.

Ritchie is a really nice piece though, but the two first would be so late that it doesn't make sense for the Sabres now.
 
I doubt it would take a first to dump Johansen since Nashville is already retaining 4M on his contract.

A guy pacing for 25 goals with a cap hit of 4M and one more year on his deal may have some value somewhere. I personally think he has close to neutral value, and his inclusion is just required to make the cap work, so the return is basically 3 late firsts.

Ritchie is a really nice piece though, but the two first would be so late that it doesn't make sense for the Sabres now.
In the context of a trade with us he would be strictly a salary dump
 
In the context of a trade with us he would be strictly a salary dump
While i agree that he is not adding value to the package for the sabres, I think he would be useful. With Tage gone, having Johansen up the middle until they found a replacement would give the team some lineup options.

If the 1sts were from another team and likely to be higher, I think the value in a vacuum would be close, but given where the sabres farm is and the stage of the rebuild, the trade would still make zero sense for Buffalo.
 
I doubt it would take a first to dump Johansen since Nashville is already retaining 4M on his contract.

A guy pacing for 25 goals with a cap hit of 4M and one more year on his deal may have some value somewhere. I personally think he has close to neutral value, and his inclusion is just required to make the cap work, so the return is basically 3 late firsts.

Ritchie is a really nice piece though, but the two first would be so late that it doesn't make sense for the Sabres now.
Half his points are on the PP. he’s a cap dump. He’s at something like 7 points not on PP.

given buffalo F depth. Does buffalo need another F ?

that's before talking of the location of the picks.
 
While i agree that he is not adding value to the package for the sabres, I think he would be useful. With Tage gone, having Johansen up the middle until they found a replacement would give the team some lineup options.

If the 1sts were from another team and likely to be higher, I think the value in a vacuum would be close, but given where the sabres farm is and the stage of the rebuild, the trade would still make zero sense for Buffalo.
Colorado doesn’t have what it would take. Thst offer is not close even if sucked up by a vacuum.
 
Half his points are on the PP. he’s a cap dump. He’s at something like 7 points not on PP.

given buffalo F depth. Does buffalo need another F ?

that's before talking of the location of the picks.

I never said they make the trade. Just saying that there has never been a precedent where a 4M dollar forward costs a 1st to dump. Especially one pacing for 25 goals.

Context is everything. He is playing on their 3rd line with zero top 6 players on his wings and only getting 14 minutes a night and is still pacing for 25 goals. Oh, and his faceoff % is 57%.

If Colorado retained another 500k, someone around the league would probably take a flyer on him. That makes him close to neutral value in my book.

And yes, if Tage was traded, and Mitts got hurt, the center depth of the current team would look like

Cozens
Krebs
Jost
Jokiharju :sarcasm:
 
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Colorado doesn’t have what it would take. Thst offer is not close even if sucked up by a vacuum.
Makes no sense for the sabres, but if they were rebuilding again and the firsts were from another team and higher, like I stated in the original post about the value, it would be close.

Ritchie and two firsts is 3 1st round picks in value. That is likely more than Eichel got since Tuch was an injured salary dump and Krebs was also coming off a serious injury and his development stalled.
 
I never said they make the trade. Just saying that there has never been a precedent where a 4M dollar forward costs a 1st to dump. Especially one pacing for 25 goals.

Context is everything. He is playing on their 3rd line with zero top 6 players on his wings and only getting 14 minutes a night and is still pacing for 25 goals. Oh, and his faceoff % is 57%.

If Colorado retained another 500k, someone around the league would probably take a flyer on him. That makes him close to neutral value in my book.

And yes, if Tage was traded, and Mitts got hurt, the center depth of the current team would look like

Cozens
Krebs
Jost
Jokiharju :sarcasm:
Carolina got a 1st to take on Marleaus cap of about $6M. This is actual $6M
 
Carolina got a 1st to take on Marleaus cap of about $6M. This is actual $6M
Marleau would not waive to be traded unless Carolina agreed to buy him out so he could go back to the Sharks. They did not get anything back from that trade except the pick.

No sense going back and forth on this. I said I thought Johansen probably would have neutral value at around 3.5 to some GM around the league (it only takes one). Big center, good in the circle, can score you 20+ goals if used on the PP if you don't have a better option.... that was just my guess. It is not a fact, but with the 500k retention, I can not see Colorado having to pony up much to move him. That may be wrong, but I can't imagine it would cost a first. (For reference, a buyout at full cap hit would only be 1.3M in cap and actual dollars for 2 seasons - not really worth giving up a first to save just that).

You can disagree. That is fine. But your take that no one would take him for anything less than a first is also just your guess. Until it happens, no one is right.
 
Yeah that’s kinda what I figured, wasn’t sure if a trade of Colorado’s 2024 & 2025 first+Ritchie+RyJo for Tage would move the ball at all, but totally get wanting to move more towards a hockey trade if they were to ever move him.

You may consider the ball unmoved. I don't think Colorado has the futures assets to land a player like Tage without moving something important from their roster. Given how good Colorado has been this makes sense.
 
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You may consider the ball unmoved. I don't think Colorado has the futures assets to land a player like Tage without moving something important from their roster. Given how good Colorado has been this makes sense.

Completely fair, but always worth checking if a future heavy trade gets any consideration. Not sure if a player like Byram entices Buffalo just given Dahlin and Power on the left side already, but he’d likely be the next best starter (package wise) for Colorado
 
What are they going to do when the roster freeze is over? Waive Jost or Comrie? When Girgensons is back they’ll have to do both anyway I guess so might as well rip the bandaid off this three goalie debacle. I’d rather Levi be playing in Rochester but Comrie is flat out unplayable
 
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Completely fair, but always worth checking if a future heavy trade gets any consideration. Not sure if a player like Byram entices Buffalo just given Dahlin and Power on the left side already, but he’d likely be the next best starter (package wise) for Colorado
The problem comes from the fact that Buffalo is already overflowing with futures. We have one of the best prospect pools in the league and have retained all our picks for the next three years. Additionally we have missed the playoffs for 12 years so the appetite for obtaining futures on futures on futures is not there. We are probably the worst team to look at if you want to trade futures for an immediate upgrade.
 
They looked looked like last years team tonight.


This is why Granato is an awful coach. Can he not just get his team to play hockey for 82 games? His constant excuses are getting tiresome.

Like oh sorry are players are too stupid they can't learn how to play defense. I have never seen this in my 30 years of watching hockey a coach, coach this way. Maybe next year they will learn defense cause it always takes a team 3-4 years to learn how to play a coach's system

Watching his interviews his constant blathering is exhausting....Oh we forgot how to play hockey tonight. Who forgets how to play hockey? Can't he just speak the truth instead of trying to cover for people or his own ass.

Its refreshing to have a coach who gives us to it straight and not treat us like children or like we are stupid and we don't see what is happening on the ice.

I will bet Granato says they will switch "systems" to last year and the team will play the same. Ya we stupid Meatball we don't see it.
 
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Completely fair, but always worth checking if a future heavy trade gets any consideration. Not sure if a player like Byram entices Buffalo just given Dahlin and Power on the left side already, but he’d likely be the next best starter (package wise) for Colorado
Bynum I think is a head injury away from being done.
 
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