Toggle sidebar

Roster Talk: News, Theories, Lineups, Rumors Etc. New Season Cometh!

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
KopitarFAN said:
Was listening to a radio clip from the Mayor, and he brought up an interesting point about the Kopi negotiation.

Re-signing with the Kings at $9M or $9.5M x 8 is $72M or 76M, or sign elsewhere for $11M x 7, $77M total. Is that $5M or less worth it? I guess we'll find out.
Click to expand...

I heard the same interview and thought that was an interesting point. Other teams can only sign Kopi for 7 years but we can sign him for 8. He's 28 now and will turn 29 not long after the contract takes effect. Kopi will be 36 or 37 when his contract ends. In the end, I think the player will go where the money is.
 
Winger23 said:
As others have mentioned, how the hell were these trades a lose for the kings? Yes it's sad how things ended for stoll and Richards, but if you were told before the trades they would end up winning two cups you make the trades every day of the week. Kings don't win the cup without these guys.
Click to expand...

Some people want their cake and eat it too.

Too bad you can't hang 50 guys on an NHL roster.
 
Winger23 said:
As others have mentioned, how the hell were these trades a lose for the kings? Yes it's sad how things ended for stoll and Richards, but if you were told before the trades they would end up winning two cups you make the trades every day of the week. Kings don't win the cup without these guys.
Click to expand...

This is HF, as far as Flyers fans are concerned they won the Richards trade because Simmonds is a good player, even though they haven't won jack ****.
 
That Brayden Schenn. What an athlete. Remember his Cup winning goal in Game 7 2OT last year? Just a hard-nosed, hard working Canadian boy. What an athlete. Can't believe the LA Kings traded him away. I bet their GM is just sick thinking about it. That trade probably drove him to the bottle.
 
To be fair, that team wasn't going to win anything anyway with how the gm managed it. Given Richards' quick decline, it's fair to state that the flyers win in THEIR perspective whereas we feel we obviously won given the cups. It was a win/win, not a lose/lose.
 
Ron said:
Some people want their cake and eat it too.

Too bad you can't hang 50 guys on an NHL roster.
Click to expand...

Yep, I'd do the trades again 10/10. Honestly, I don't give an F that the FO is paying Mike Richards until forever. I was present at two championship parades and rallies and I'll have those memories until I go old and senile. I don't care what happens with Oscar Klefbom, Marko Dano, Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds, Jack Johnson or his parents. 2 Cups in the hand are worth a million in your dreams.
 
i think we could have won the cup with Simmonds & Schenn in the lineup

but if you tell me we absolutely had to get Richards to bring Carter and both players fed each other positive energy? Then, we wouldn't have won the cup without them

but Simmonds, Schenn, and Carter?

yeah the cup would most likely still be ours
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i think we could have won the cup with Simmonds & Schenn in the lineup

but if you tell me we absolutely had to get Richards to bring Carter and both players fed each other positive energy? Then, we wouldn't have won the cup without them

but Simmonds, Schenn, and Carter?

yeah the cup would most likely still be ours
Click to expand...

Please. Schenn as our 2C when he could barely stay upright in the NHL that year?

People are horribly discounting what Richards brought to this team. Mike Richards had as many GOALS as Schenn had points, not even going to get into the other stuff.
 
Brad Doty said:
Please. Schenn as our 2C when he could barely stay upright in the NHL that year?

People are horribly discounting what Richards brought to this team. Mike Richards had as many GOALS as Schenn had points, not even going to get into the other stuff.
Click to expand...

Yep that thought process isn't flying with me. Mental toughness is also a requirement to win and I don't see it with the guys we gave up, especially at that point in time.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i think we could have won the cup with Simmonds & Schenn in the lineup

but if you tell me we absolutely had to get Richards to bring Carter and both players fed each other positive energy? Then, we wouldn't have won the cup without them

but Simmonds, Schenn, and Carter?

yeah the cup would most likely still be ours
Click to expand...

Not sure Carter is here if Simmonds is. Maybe Carter isn't here if Gagne doesn't get hurt, which moved Brown to the left side, opening up a spot on the right side. If Penner isn't ineffective for most of that season, maybe Brown doesn't switch to LW, which opened up a spot after Gagne got hurt.
 
KingPuckChoo said:
i think we could have won the cup with Simmonds & Schenn in the lineup

but if you tell me we absolutely had to get Richards to bring Carter and both players fed each other positive energy? Then, we wouldn't have won the cup without them

but Simmonds, Schenn, and Carter?

yeah the cup would most likely still be ours
Click to expand...

No f-ing way we do. Having both guys basically gave us 3 top end centers that no other team could match. Richard pretty much put his stamp on the 2012 team when he took out Burrows in playoffs and basically told the league "we're gonna steam roll you guys!". You have to also remember that Simmons was used completely differently in LA than he is in Philly, and Schenn also proved to be very injury prone.
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
Kings were not winning a damn thing with Schenn as the second line center.
Click to expand...

Even if the argument is that Carter comes in at the deadline to play center, how long does it take him to learn all the Kings assignments and to actually excel with his linemates? Starting on the wing made it an easier transition to a new team and system without flooding him with a ton of responsibility. All he needed to do was come in and shoot to score and that's what he did.
 
Winger23 said:
It would seem people forgot just how good Richards was before his downfall. He was huge in 2012 during the run.
Click to expand...

I am not saying it was a bad trade or anything for the Kings, far from it.

But as quickly as you can say people forget how good Richards was in that run, people also forget how bad the Kings were before getting Carter.

The Kings were still playing at an 09-10 and 10-11 level before they got Carter. Carter was the difference maker, and is still a difference maker almost four years later.
 
Brad Doty said:
Please. Schenn as our 2C when he could barely stay upright in the NHL that year?

People are horribly discounting what Richards brought to this team. Mike Richards had as many GOALS as Schenn had points, not even going to get into the other stuff.
Click to expand...

Memories are very short.

No Richards = no Cup in 2012.
 
Herby said:
I am not saying it was a bad trade or anything for the Kings, far from it.

But as quickly as you can say people forget how good Richards was in that run, people also forget how bad the Kings were before getting Carter.

The Kings were still playing at an 09-10 and 10-11 level before they got Carter. Carter was the difference maker, and is still a difference maker almost four years later.
Click to expand...

You are forgetting Richards' contributions in the playoffs in 2012 and as a leader as well. Without Richards, we simply do not get past Vancouver.

Revisionist history, gotta love it. Or everyone here suffers from dementia and cannot even remember 3½ years earlier.

God Almighty.
 
Ron said:
You are forgetting Richards' contributions in the playoffs in 2012 and as a leader as well. Without Richards, we simply do not get past Vancouver.

Revisionist history, gotta love it. Or everyone here suffers from dementia and cannot even remember 3½ years earlier.

God Almighty.
Click to expand...

Good God man, what the hell are you talking about here?

When did I ever say Richards didn't contribute significantly in the 2012 playoff? I'd love you to find even one single example.

Just saying that Carter was by far the more significant acquisition, I think it is you that forgets the Kings were 10th in the west at the time of acquiring Carter, and a few months later were winning the Stanley Cup.

The Kings certainly needed another C, because they weren't winning it with Stoll or Schenn playing that role. But the thing they needed, and needed most during those years was a game changing player on the wing, and that is what Carter provided.
 
Carter was pretty invisible up until the Phoenix series that run.

But agreed that his acquisition gave us two legitimate scoring lines. Caused a lot of matchup problems for the opposition. Shutdown prime Brown-Kopitar-Williams, or Richards-Carter? Tough call.
 
The Kings got Carter to play as a Winger. The reason Carter is playing Center now, is because Richards (AFTER) 2012 fell apart as a hockey player.
 
Albi said:
Lose/Lose for all? Are you kidding me?
Richards was key in our first Cup run.
That is history. And it will last forever.
Click to expand...

Woosh. :)

Read my post again. I was coming from the direction that the trades overall were lose/lose because all the players involved have severely degregraded with time. Apart from Simmons and Carter, all players involved with our trades have not gone on to stay in the NHL, or have limited roles.

Trade was great for the Kings, no doubt about it. Couple of cups and cannot dispute that. I was referring to how all assets being traded ended up...well...not panning out.

Edit: more I think about it; how much more a player has a chance to fail after being traded from the Kings?

- Ben Scrivens.
- Schenn (never reached potential)
- Kyle Quincey
- Jonathan Bernier
- Jack Johnson (well, kinda stayed the same ha)
- Linden Vey
- Davis Drewiskie
- Loki

That's off the top of my head.
 
Last edited:
DocWest said:
Are you a goldfish? Richards was a huge part of us winning in 2012. You can't hang the victory on just one guy.
Click to expand...

Quick was fantastic, but the Kings lead the playoffs in scoring (other than the gong show series of Philly and Pittsburgh who scored a million times against each other) by a long shot. That Kings defense in 2012 was insanely good at stopping other teams. I will go with no Quick = no playoffs though. Either way, Schenn and Simmonds on the roster don't help us win a Cup in 2012. That's laughable and it's the disgruntled Flyers fan argument to downplay Richards importance to the Kings to further secure their trade "victory". And 2014 doesn't happen without 2012. You can step on a bunch of butterflies and in no reality do the Kings win Cups with Brayden Schenn in the lineup.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom