Roster speculation XVIII - We're getting closer to things happening!

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tsujimoto74

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No Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.

People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.

Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent. la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?

But we know better.

:laugh: Did you even see who Crosby and Malkin were playing with? Gionta and Deslauriers sounds about right if we're trying to copy the Pens. (Which we're not, so moot point.)
 

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No Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.

People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.

Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent. la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?

But we know better.

the best part of all this is that Pitt acquired almost the entirety of their forward depth and with the exception of Kessel acquired it cheaply

Hagelin
Bonino
Kessel
Hornqvist
Cullen
Fehr

Hornqvist is the only one that wasn't acquired in the last year

Rust, 3rd rnd
Sheary, undrafted
Kuhnhackl, 4th

half these guys were kicked off their teams, they couldn't wait to be rid of them, Pittsburgh ran its hands through the muck and flung whatever stuck next to Crosby, Malkin, and Kessel
 

joshjull

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Offense - Entails BOTH Forwards and Defense.

Forwards are used to get in on the forecheck, and are the primary source for shots. They are used to cycle the puck down low to get defenseman and the center moving where the forwards want them to. The more often you play in the offensive zone, the more you play down low and get shots on net the better. They are also key in finding holes in zone play from the defensive zone. They are important is causing teams doing things they don't want to do.

Defensemen are used as the primary source for the transition game. They get the puck up to the forwards, or are used to dump the puck in the zone for the forwards to forecheck. They are also used to keep puck possession in the offensive zone alive. They are the key outlets when forwards can't get the puck to the net, when they need to open up the blockade that the game leans towards today in the defensive zones. They keep the play alive in the offensive zone. When a team wants to clear the zone and rip the puck around the boards, the defensemen are needed to keep the puck in and continue the pressure, which leads to tired players, which will lead to breakdowns in coverage, or at least guys not being more aggressive on the forwards, and even more puck possession.

Right now we have forwards who can work the forecheck game and cycle the puck:
Eichel, ROR, Reinhart, Girgensons, Kane, Larsson, Foligno.

We need to improve upon our backend. Our defensemen had trouble in the transition game, when we did finally get on the offensive, our forwards and defensemen were too tired to create any pressure. We need to be better in chasing down the pucks that are dumped in, we need to be quicker reading the situation and making the correct read to head-man it to a forward to immediately put pressure on the other team, or pass to their partner. Also, Too many times the puck left the zone in the offensive zone because our defensemen were too slow to read the game and/or too slow to close off the point to continue.

We're not saying not to improve on the forwards at all, we're just saying that the state of the defense needs to be looked at immediately. Whether that happens via draft or free agency, it needs to be done.

Great breakdown. But I'm guessing he will still not get it or just ignore it.
 

AustonsNostrils

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What I saw of Evan Rodrigues at the close of the season leads me to believe he's ready to contribute - would love to see him get a chance playing on the left side with Eichel and Reinhart in pre-season action.
 

kenfury

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I keep seeing JayBo as being left available in the expansion draft to Vegas. If that happens I would love to see TM make a hard push to acquire him. Soupy this year as fill in 1 LDH, JayBo as 2LHD with BoGo for a bit going forward.
 

struckbyaparkedcar

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No Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too
You forgot the "for a player who doesn't drive play or make teammates better" after "too much."

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.
Based off last year's depth chart:
O'Reilly
Reinhart
Eichel
Kane
Girgensons
Larsson
Fasching
Foligno

Shut up.


People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.
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Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.
Kane-Eichel-Reinhart
Girgensons-O'Reilly-Fasching
Foligno-Larsson-Girgensons

Without UFAs or unexpected player development. What the **** are you talking about at this point?

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent.
They didn't "concentrate" anywhere. The Pens added scoring where they needed scoring, defense where they needed defense, and then aggressively hid the holes that remained on the roster (or opened up through suspension/injury) with very active coaching. They also won the Cup playing Eichel alongside Deslauriers so I'm not really sure how that puzzle piece fits into your worldview.

la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?
You know both of those teams lost in the first round (and in LA's case, missed the playoffs too) literally the millisecond their defenses got worse, right?

And Keith/Doughty/Letang are better than any realistic projection of anyone on our defense. Hjalmarsson/Dumoulin/Muzzin/Voynov/Seabrook are/were better than anyone on our defense right now.

But we know better.
What do you mean we?
 

OkimLom

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No Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.

People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.

Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent. la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?

But we know better.

It's going to bum you out so much when Eichel meshes well with the non-flashy forwards, the ones that will play similar games like Girgs does. They wont be the big name guys you're calling for the Sabres to go after.

All those guys will need to do is know where to go and be able to clean up the nice passes Eichel gives out.
 

Doug Prishpreed

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No Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.

People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.

Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent. la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?

But we know better.

Banned for lack of coherence. :laugh:

I assume you're a huge Gorges fan and think he's one of the best in the league? You seem to be quite confident in his abilities as a top pairing D.
 

Der Jaeger

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That would be a tremendous disappointment. And for fun it leaves us with 5 D worth/have to protect in expansion...which we can't...so we end up taking a step backwards in the only area we took one forward almost immediately.

I know wanting to have offense is a crime around here...but we really need offense. And hey...we can protect forwards in expansion since those 6 and 7 slots are like...Foligno and Deslauriers.

This gives us another lottery year and then we have to protect Risto, Bogo and the guy you traded for and watch McCabe get plucked. And for extra fun we may have traded our 1st in a season where one of the worst 5 on 5 scoring teams got no help and missed the playoffs again. so we're just screwed all around.

Of course there's always the 8 skaters instead of 7/3 method. Where we risk Girgensons, Larsson and Pysyk. Maybe we get lucky and they take a forward and our top 9 can have you or me in it the next year.

Expansion draft trades are the way to avoid having too few slots. Vegas will need salary, and you do exactly what Chicago just did. Trade Moulson to LV, and you've got 2 x 2nd and 2 x 3rd in 2017, plus whatever Franson fetches, and possibly what Ennis fetches, in a trade.

If Murray has to, he sends Baptiste, 2nd, 3rd to LV for taking Moulson. It's been done before in the Columbus expansion draft. No issue.

Stamkos...too much
No Okposo...too much
Draft a D no matter what at 8 because need
Trade next year's first for a proven D too

We must throw every asset at D. Welcome back to the top 6 with one injury Brian Gionta.

People here would rather have McCabe in the press box than a competent forward on the wing of the most important player on the franchise. Because need. Which isn't even what they make it out to be.

Cant wait for that bottom pairing down the line of Guhle and Bogosian while Eichel's tap ins go wide off of Deslauriers stick.

I mean...that's how Pitt won right? Concentrating on D and not offensive talent. la famously has two cups because their bottom 4 D is made up of top talent and not because their forwards are possession monsters. Chicago has a ton going on after that top pair right?

But we know better.

You're the #1 poster on here who watched the Pens and didn't understand what you saw. I wonder how Crosby won the Cup passing to Conor Sheary and Patric Hornqvist? How did their second line center make due with Brian Rust and Chris Kunitz? Those four "possession monsters?" :shakehead

You won't address that. You haven't, and won't. It debunks your theory of getting a forward for Eichel. If Buffalo wins like Pittsburgh did, you play Eichel with Girgensons and Ennis, and he'll be just fine.

Or the Chicago example. Only Ristolainen projects as a number one defenseman. Who on Buffalo projects as the solid #2? Chicago has two of those guys in Seabrook and Hjalmarsson. McCabe doesn't project to the level of either. Maybe Guhle due to his athleticism projects as a shutdown guy like Hjalmarsson.

Which means Buffalo is still looking for its Seabrook. Sergachev or Juolevi fit the bill as a #2 to Ristolainen. You won't address that either, because it also debunks your theory.

Here's reality: Cup winners get 2-3 top five picks. They build center and defense-heavy teams. They go 3-4 four lines deep by spreading out talent. They build 2 good defensive pairs.

That describes Boston, LA, Chicago, and now Pittsburgh. Amazing how the Pens didn't sniff another Cup until they found a replacement for Staal in Bonino. Amazing how Kessel played away from Crosby and Malkin to create a scoring threat on the top three lines. Amazing how the Hawks have been working to acquire centers and defensemen every off-season and trade deadline to create depth. Amazing how the Kings went Kopitar-Carter-Richard-Stoll to win while surrounding their best players with lesser talent.

Amazing that Crosby's 4 finals assists were to Conor Sheary x2, Patric Hornqvist, and Kris Letang. (Shhh! Buffalo already has players that do what Sheary and Hornqvist can do).
 

Doug Prishpreed

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There have been some rumblings Vats could still be available. So that fits with your thinking.

So much for the "rumblings."

Conspiracy theory time:
Could Bob Murray be pumping Fowler's tires because he can't get a deal done with Lindholm and he's now pivoting in his plans, sticking with the cheaper Fowler and Vats instead of Lindholm and one of them?
 

haseoke39

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Bob Murray also stated contract situation with Lindholm could go into August or September

https://www.facebook.com/anaheimducks/?fref=ts

Best news for Sabres fans since the offseason started. Couple that with the commitment to Vatanen, we may have our one golden opportunity here to leverage financial advantage for a really special result.

Knowing that he'll at least have the opportunity on July 1, this has to be Murray's #1 priority. Could be most important move of his young career besides tanking for Eichel.
 

Der Jaeger

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It's going to bum you out so much when Eichel meshes well with the non-flashy forwards, the ones that will play similar games like Girgs does. They wont be the big name guys you're calling for the Sabres to go after.

All those guys will need to do is know where to go and be able to clean up the nice passes Eichel gives out.

He still thinks you win with LaFontaine and Mogilny. He wants Benn and Seguin. Or Backstrom and Ovechkin. Or Getzlaf and Perry.

Today's game is about matching chemistry and roles on lines inside of the system. Which is why you can put a speedy Sheary on Crosby's wing and be just fine.

The highest scoring winger on Pittsburgh after Kessel, who was best with Bonino on the third line, was Patric Hornqvist. You know, the guy who played 82 games, scored 22 goals and had 29 assists, good for 51 points and tied for the 82nd place in the league in scoring.

While Crosby was the league's third leading scorer.

But who will Buffalo ever find to tap in Eichel's passes?
 

Doug Prishpreed

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Best news for Sabres fans since the offseason started. Couple that with the commitment to Vatanen, we may have our one golden opportunity here to leverage financial advantage for a really special result.

Knowing that he'll at least have the opportunity on July 1, this has to be Murray's #1 priority. Could be most important move of his young career besides tanking for Eichel.

Starting to look like we might have found this year's Dougie Hamilton. Please please please...

girgs, pysyk, 2016 1st, 2017 1st, 2016 3rd
 

haseoke39

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Starting to look like we might have found this year's Dougie Hamilton. Please please please...

girgs, pysyk, 2016 1st, 2017 1st, 2016 3rd

**** that, just offer him $8M frontloaded with a $13M check on day 1 that Anaheim can't match.

That should be a mix of picks like 17, 22, 47, 77. For a 1D at our position of greatest organizational weakness. Basically opening our window immediately, losing nothing off the roster, and only overpaying by about $2M/year.

Terry Pegula doesn't get a lot of chance to use his financial power to make a difference. There won't be a better opportunity to leverage money until the next rebuild.
 
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