Speculation: Roster Speculation: Part XVI (Off-Season Madness)
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No idea. Nashville thinks he said he would give them a meeting after his season ended and he didn't. He says there was no such agreement. The Preds promised him post-deadline playing time and didn't make a move for a depth forward specifically to show him they wanted him in the lineup. He basically took the option to go UFA instead.
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Husko
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Yes. He played LW early in his career, moved to center, and has been at RW for the past 2-3 season.
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As far as making wings, I have no idea but I would hope he's learned something. Frank's Red Hot and butter, make sure they're well done, and only serve with blue cheese.
brian_griffin
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As some of the responses above allude, he got concussed a few times in <1 year (and likely <5 months), the last one sidelining him the rest of the season. The veiled comments above relate to both (1) his ability to return to play (which Ennis personally claims he is able to do now, and would be available if BUF had made the playoffs), and (2) his ability to return to his former level of play, which we won't know until many months after the prerequisite is met.
Also, there are generally 2 camps on this Sabres board:
One camp pencils Ennis into next year's lineup, and is optimistic he returns to his former level of play, and is generally accepting of the deficiencies in his overall defensive and puck-possession game, given his stickhandling & speed on offense (up until this past season, BUF had no rushing forwards who could back-up another team with any consistency).
The other camp feels Ennis is not an essential piece to a future deep Sabres playoff run, laments his GF differential per 60 at Even Strength, and recognizes he is not the type of player GM Murray appears to be building a team around. They cite the Sabres were no worse off without him, and would be fine with Ennis moved at any point during his remaining contract, the big hurdle being his health. As a further subset, some of those people don't want Murray to sell low on him.
Apologies if you were aware of all that, but given the username, my assumption is you predominatly follow 1-2 other teams.
What would your team(s) offer?
Jim Bob
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/potential-first-round-nhl-draft-pick-no-one-talking/
I know everyone has been focused on Caggiula and Vesey, but I wonder if Sadowy is a guy that could get moved for a pick if he won't sign in SJ?
I know everyone has been focused on Caggiula and Vesey, but I wonder if Sadowy is a guy that could get moved for a pick if he won't sign in SJ?
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I'm wondering if Ennis could fit on the Foligno - Larsson line instead of Gionta. Has had chemistry with Marcus in the past and could add some more scoring to that line while not having to go against the oppositions' best pairings.
Think he regrets his choice now? He could be playing in a game 7 in the second round now with a chance to play in the Conference Finals.
Plus Nashville is a good team that will remain good for years to come and is an awesome city.
Not very intelligent in my opinion.
As Poile has said, it seems Vesey got some bad advice from his adviser/agent. If he signs in Toronto, I'd expect a tampering grievance filed with the league before the fax to the league office is even done printing.
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He's exclusively a winger, capable on both sides. He can play center in a pinch but not regularly on a decent team.
If I'm a college player, unless they are willing to bend over backwards for me after year 2 or 3 like we did with Fasching, I'd be walking to UFA too.
It's simple: if a college player isn't willing to sign with you after year 3, you move his rights for assets assuming he may walk.
College players can always finish their degrees in the offseason if that is important to them.
Who knows what Vesey really wants. If he wants to play in Boston for his childhood team...he has the option to do that as a rookie. If he signs with Nashville, he could get injured and NEVER have that opportunity.
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Last season, we essentially had half of a new team to start. They were pretty bad for about 40 games. Then, as they learned Bylsma and each other, they played (mostly) at a playoff level.
I don't want many changes in the lineup. I alos don't want Murray to back a dump truck full of cap to Stamkos. But, if he could land Vesey and maybe Stamkos, (reasonably), that's what I want, other than a few roster tweaks.
Jim Bob
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If I'm a college player, unless they are willing to bend over backwards for me after year 2 or 3 like we did with Fasching, I'd be walking to UFA too.
It's simple: if a college player isn't willing to sign with you after year 3, you move his rights for assets assuming he may walk.
College players can always finish their degrees in the offseason if that is important to them.
Who knows what Vesey really wants. If he wants to play in Boston for his childhood team...he has the option to do that as a rookie. If he signs with Nashville, he could get injured and NEVER have that opportunity.
Where Poile's take goes off the rails is that it was largely focused on the ELC that the Preds could offer.
It's likely that Vesey's rep gave him the pluses and minuses to going each route and he's choosing to have the power to pick his team as opposed to just going where he was drafted.
GMs hate the idea of a player, especially one that hasn't even turned pro yet, having power like that. It's like the narrative that comes out when NBA superstars talk about playing on a team together or when NMCs and NTCs come up.
If it was about maximizing his ELC, then yeah, Nashville made the most sense.
But, it appears that picking his spot is worth a lot more to Vesey than the money he's leaving on the table.
Djp
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fines AND loss of draft picks. Im not sure if they would give the forfeited picks tot he team that lost the player.
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One more thing. We clearly have Eichel and ROR in the 1C and 2C. I want Stamkos on the wing.
This is what happens when a coach simply says he'd be interested in a player under contract to another team: https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-fines-maple-leafs-for-tampering/c-501402
Stamkos has expressed his intent to play center and not wing.
Stamkos wants to play center. You're also ignoring the biggest issue (the defense), so if Murray's two main moves are Stamkos and Vesey, it's not going to be a successful off-season. Vesey, sure, I'll take him all day. Stamkos, not so much.
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The fact that you need to go that far back to find a fine for tampering really means that it is hard to prove and goes unpunished. All GMs need to do is mention it to one of a hand full of TOR media off the record. There are so many instances of this occurring - so many guys making it to FA and we already know their destination.
It doesn't happen all that often. Most of these guys know that you can't say anything about someone under contract to another team. Murray points that out to the knuckleheads on GR all the time.
My biggest concern re: Stamkos is that Murray feels the contract gets too big and Pegula overrides him. For as much as I love Terry, he definitely has an ego attached to all that cash. I fear he'd love nothing more to hold a big press conference and essentially waive his middle finger up the QEW to Babcock.
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