Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

[Chainshot]

Wawrow? He's a straight shooter and IMHO has impeccable journalistic standards. Edit - that doesn't mean he's dialed in, just that he's not agenda-driven.

 

[haseoke39]

The comment is not meant as one ups upmanship, it's meant to look what is before us. See the here and now.

They aren't playing McCabe with the big club in the hope we finish low. They are playing him because they believe in I'm. Is there risk? Sure, but to be honest, they aren't exactly enamoured with Pysyk, as was put forth by JW, and I happen to concur.

Personally, I think they're playing McCabe because they don't have a choice. If they had nhl players on the left side, he'd still be in Rochester, imo.

 

[Myllz]

Personally, I think they're playing McCabe because they don't have a choice. If they had nhl players on the left side, he'd still be in Rochester, imo.

Agreed. Who knows if McCabe is in GMTM's plans any more than Pysyk is.

 

[Yatzhee]

Personally, I think they're playing McCabe because they don't have a choice. If they had nhl players on the left side, he'd still be in Rochester, imo.

Let's look at that haseoke39. Do they really need him up here? Haven't they played a eighty on the left this season?
I don't believe the RD/LD scenario is the driving factor behind what JW said he was hearing about Pysyk. I do believe Pysyk is expendable. I watch the same games you all do. I don't see Pysyks presence as some stabilizing force. His presence has certainly not had a significant, or, in my personal opinion, any impact game to game.

If what JW says in indeed true, I can't see Pysyks absence as putting the Sabres in a downward spiral.

 

[stokes84]

I think McCabe has been playing really well since the All Star break.

 

[Moskau]

Had a chance encounter with him at.a Bills game. Doesn't strike me as the type with an ego agenda.

Didn't say he did. I just don't think he's dialed in. At least not lately.

 

[Yatzhee]

I think McCabe has been playing really well since the All Star break.

Personally so do I. But they haven't paired him with Pysyk, and if Pyayk was this all stabilizing force, you'd think they would, that is my line of thought on this.

 

[Zip15]

Hoppe shilling for McGinn again. Now going with the "Jack wants McGinn to stay, and we want to make Jack happy, right? Right?!" angle. Low.

 

[TehDoak]

Some trade thoughts given feedback from the main forum:

To San Jose: Chad Johnson, Mark Pysyk
To Buffalo: M Mueller, 2017 2nd

To Dallas: M Foligno, Buf 3rd
To Buffalo: Lindell, 2016 2nd

To Chicago: McGinn (50% retained), Legwand (50% retained)
To Buffalo: 1st rounder, Bickell

 

[Zip15]

Some trade thoughts given feedback from the main forum:

To San Jose: Chad Johnson, Mark Pysyk
To Buffalo: M Mueller, 2017 2nd

To Dallas: M Foligno, Buf 3rd
To Buffalo: Lindell, 2016 2nd

To Chicago: McGinn (50% retained), Legwand (50% retained)
To Buffalo: 1st rounder, Bickell

I don't think Foligno and a 3rd gets you Lindell on his own, let alone Dallas having to add a 2nd. Stars fans think Lindell is going to be their left-handed version of Klingberg.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Some trade thoughts given feedback from the main forum:

To San Jose: Chad Johnson, Mark Pysyk
To Buffalo: M Mueller, 2017 2nd

To Dallas: M Foligno, Buf 3rd
To Buffalo: Lindell, 2016 2nd

To Chicago: McGinn (50% retained), Legwand (50% retained)
To Buffalo: 1st rounder, Bickell

Hate the Mueller trade, would do the other two.

Also, in today's episode of "declarative statements I might regret within a year," I'd trade Pysyk for Teravainen before Drouin (although tbh I wouldn't do either).

 

[Djp]

I mentioned before wondering if they could find a home for Gorges on a contender. He's terrible and the sooner he goes, the better.

Unless we find some other bodies for the left side, its doubtful he gets moved. My ideal scenario for next year is him pushed into the bottom 4 or even bottom pair with improvements on the blueline

At the draft Gorges at 50% retained

Some trade thoughts given feedback from the main forum:

To San Jose: Chad Johnson, Mark Pysyk
To Buffalo: M Mueller, 2017 2nd

To Dallas: M Foligno, Buf 3rd
To Buffalo: Lindell, 2016 2nd

To Chicago: McGinn (50% retained), Legwand (50% retained)
To Buffalo: 1st rounder, Bickell

The offers aren't to bad.

I don't think Foligno and a 3rd gets you Lindell on his own, let alone Dallas having to add a 2nd. Stars fans think Lindell is going to be their left-handed version of Klingberg.

Buffalo 3rd (61-65) vs Dallas 2nd (55-60). There isn't much of a difference here.

 

[Zip15]

Buffalo 3rd (61-65) vs Dallas 2nd (55-60). There isn't much of a difference here.

You missed my point. I'm saying Dallas probably doesn't trade Lindell for Foligno and a 3rd, and with that being the case they certainly wouldn't throw a late-2nd on top of that.

 

[TehDoak]

You missed my point. I'm saying Dallas probably doesn't trade Lindell for Foligno and a 3rd, and with that being the case they certainly wouldn't throw a late-2nd on top of that.

I'm curious if Lindell is obtainable. Seems to fit in with our needs and Dallas is deep @ LD.

 

[Zip15]

I'm curious if Lindell is obtainable. Seems to fit in with our needs and Dallas is deep @ LD.

I'd be surprised. As I mentioned earlier, their LHD is more tenuous with Goligoski being a UFA this summer and Oduya not getting any younger. Lindell seems to be far and away their best bet for a top-4 LHD beyond the next year or two. Throw in the fact that Nill is from the Ken Holland tree that almost never trades young defensemen, I'd say the likelihood of them moving Lindell is slim.

 

[dkollidas]

I think the reason we have the talk about Pysyk is that on a team like LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Anaheim, Washington, he's a #4 at best, and doesn't have much upside. He's already 24 so he's two years from UFA status. Don't get me wrong, he's a solid solid guy. Reminds me of Teppo, who I loved when he was here. But I think Murray wants something better than that in his top-4. And so I think any talk of dealing him would be strictly for an upgrade. I always thought if they moved a younger guy it'd be McCabe.
But it also might just be smoke up butts...

Murray: "eh Pysyk, he's alright, I guess"

Other GM: "yea, is he struggling a bit, we're really trying to go on a run"

Murray: "oh really! I got a couple guys, but time veteran presence, and they're not rentals!" Josh Gorges would be a great addition, big time player, great leader, he's done SO much for Ristolainen." And Cody Franson. REALLY helped our PP this year, yea, it's top-10 in the league right now."

Also, I think part of it is Bylsma really taking his time with the pieces of this roster. Waited almost 30 games before really starting to give Reinhart top-6 minutes, almost 40 games to see Eichel with Girgensons. Moulson is still playing...
I think he realizes he's the coach for the next 3years and is slowly trying any and every combo other than the most logical one. Hopefully it's just to eliminate them from his future use.

So really, I think Pysyk should be our 4th or 5th best dman. The problem is we don't have a #2, #3, or #4... McCabe Pysyk & Bogosian should be 4/5/6, Risto is our #1, we need to find a #2 AND a #3.

 

[haseoke39]

Let's look at that haseoke39. Do they really need him up here? Haven't they played a eighty on the left this season?
I don't believe the RD/LD scenario is the driving factor behind what JW said he was hearing about Pysyk. I do believe Pysyk is expendable. I watch the same games you all do. I don't see Pysyks presence as some stabilizing force. His presence has certainly not had a significant, or, in my personal opinion, any impact game to game.

If what JW says in indeed true, I can't see Pysyks absence as putting the Sabres in a downward spiral.

Fair enough. We all see different things.

I'm not saying Pysyk's departure would start a downward spiral, but it would exacerbate what's already a fairly pronounced problem on the back end. Even if they don't trade Pysyk, I think they have to make some impressive moves or have some prospects overachieve to get a plausible championship defense. My comments are less about Pysyk being the savior and more about not wanting to make that any harder than it already is.

I think we'll be fine up front. From that perspective, a premier scoring winger may have less value to us than a competent top 4 defenseman. I can't see making any moves that weaken the defense until that's no longer the case.

 

[Sabre Dance]

If you trade Pysyk it would have to be for a LHD. Either part of a package or straight up. Trading Pysyk for a forward doesn't make much sense.

Also I really don't think our defense is that bad. We need a top 4 LHD but they are better than people say.

Our goaltending has been very inconsistent. Ristolainen learning to be a number 1.

 

[dkollidas]

Also, figuring out the defense...

Draft 4-8, pick Juolevi

Off-season:
3rd round pick to Ottawa for Wiercioch
- Ottawa management seems down on him. Their fans would take it. He seems like the kind of guy who could benefit playing with Pysyk.

2017 1st & Guhle to Winnepeg for Enstrom
Could switch it to Edler if the age scares you a bit, or want more long-term (Edler is two years younger than Enstrom and is under contract 3 years after this season, Enstrom only 2). Also, Vancouver seems to be kinda delusional in thinking they can compete for a couple more seasons, whereas Winnepeg will want to move cap space after re-signing Byfuglien.

Enstrom-Ristolainen
Wiercioch-Pysyk
McCabe-Bogosian
*Franson
*Juolevi

 

[haseoke39]

Also, figuring out the defense...

Draft 4-8, pick Juolevi

Off-season:
3rd round pick to Ottawa for Wiercioch
- Ottawa management seems down on him. Their fans would take it. He seems like the kind of guy who could benefit playing with Pysyk.

2017 1st & Guhle to Winnepeg for Enstrom
Could switch it to Edler if the age scares you a bit, or want more long-term (Edler is two years younger than Enstrom and is under contract 3 years after this season, Enstrom only 2). Also, Vancouver seems to be kinda delusional in thinking they can compete for a couple more seasons, whereas Winnepeg will want to move cap space after re-signing Byfuglien.

Enstrom-Ristolainen
Wiercioch-Pysyk
McCabe-Bogosian
*Franson
*Juolevi

Why Wiercioch?

 

[Husko]

If Pysyk is gone, oh well. He's not shown to be a game changer, we can find another Pysyk.

Just like we found another Tallinder

 

[Yatzhee]

Fair enough. We all see different things.

I'm not saying Pysyk's departure would start a downward spiral, but it would exacerbate what's already a fairly pronounced problem on the back end. Even if they don't trade Pysyk, I think they have to make some impressive moves or have some prospects overachieve to get a plausible championship defense. My comments are less about Pysyk being the savior and more about not wanting to make that any harder than it already is.

I think we'll be fine up front. From that perspective, a premier scoring winger may have less value to us than a competent top 4 defenseman. I can't see making any moves that weaken the defense until that's no longer the case.

I agree defense is the most significant area of need. I guess I just don't see Pysyks absence as a significant step back.

If you trade Pysyk it would have to be for a LHD. Either part of a package or straight up. Trading Pysyk for a forward doesn't make much sense.

Also I really don't think our defense is that bad. We need a top 4 LHD but they are better than people say.

Our goaltending has been very inconsistent. Ristolainen learning to be a number 1.

We don't have to move Pysyk for a defensive upgrade directly. He could be used to bring in assets that then could be flipped in an effort at D upgrade.

 

[dkollidas]

Why Wiercioch?

I just think Why not? He's got a big shot, can skate, provides basically replacement level type production, Ottawa fans have basically stated he can be a solid producer but that the team doesn't use him properly/their system isn't a fit, and he won't cost much in terms of assets or cap hit.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Just like we found another Tallinder

If we had Ryan Miller in his prime a lot of these guys would have more confidence.

 

[Sabre Dance]

We don't have to move Pysyk for a defensive upgrade directly. He could be used to bring in assets that then could be flipped in an effort at D upgrade.

Isn't that the same thing I said. Package deal?