Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

[26CornerBlitz]

< Two weeks left as a Sabre or contract extension?

 

[haseoke39]

So if we moved Pysyk for Drouin you'd be upset?

Yes. This team has a lot of work to do on defense already before they're even plausible going forward. More steps backwards?

 

[Zip15]

< Two weeks left as a Sabre or contract extension?

Hoppe just doesn't get it. We've argued in circles for weeks on Twitter, and we're just talking past each other at this point. He doesn't get that the primary argument against giving McGinn the term (3+) and AAV ($4m+) that he's likely seeking is stupid because what he provides can be found for shorter term (1-2 years) for low dollars (<$1.5m in most cases). He doesn't understand that he's paying sticker price for a product that can be had at value prices.

And he's a real shill for McGinn. It's almost weird at this point.

 

[old kummelweck]

Pysyk hasn't been given a chance to beat out anyone in the top 4. Bogo has struggled a lot this year. But his role and minutes have never been in jeopardy

He's played 31 games, but perhaps. I think the stakes are higher for Bogo, so he gets the ice time. They also may be higher on Guhle than Pysyk, which gives them the same skill set, but on the left side.

 

[TehDoak]

Looking at Dallas's roster, Oleksiak certainly appears to be an after thought at this point.

Also, Esa Lindell, a LHD Finn is having a strong season in the AHL for the Texas Stars.

Gotta wonder if Buffalo can grab one or both at the deadline. Foligno or Pysyk could be potential pieces of interest.

 

[stokes84]

Drouin for Pysyk and a 2nd would be eerily close to Turris for Rundblad and a 2nd.

Such a heist. If only Murray could pull this off again.

 

[TehDoak]

Pysyk hasn't been given a chance to beat out anyone in the top 4. Bogo has struggled a lot this year. But his role and minutes have never been in jeopardy

I certainly wouldn't argue that Bogo was force fed minutes after his return, but Pysyk had a month and a half to surpass Franson on the depth chart while Bogo was injured and couldn't do it.

 

[Myllz]

Girgs - Eichel - Drouin would be pretty fun to watch. If Pysyk were to be moved for Drouin, Murray would have to do a TON of work on the defense, though. It's already terrible, moving Pysyk out of it would make it even worse.

 

[stokes84]

Girgs - Eichel - Drouin would be pretty fun to watch. If Pysyk were to be moved for Drouin, Murray would have to do a TON of work on the defense, though. It's already terrible, moving Pysyk out of it would make it even worse.

Maybe he feels there is a ton of work to be done on the defense, with or without Pysyk? If he doesn't view him as part of his defense moving forward, he is going to look to replace him one way or another. So what does it matter if he is here for an extra forty games. His replacement is coming.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

I certainly wouldn't argue that Bogo was force fed minutes after his return, but Pysyk had a month and a half to surpass Franson on the depth chart while Bogo was injured and couldn't do it.

What are you drinking?

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#

 

[Myllz]

Maybe he feels there is a ton of work to be done on the defense, with or without Pysyk? If he doesn't view him as part of his defense moving forward, he is going to look to replace him one way or another.

It's entirely possible, and if that's the case, then moving him for someone like Drouin is an option. That said, in this scenario it's probably a better idea to move Pysyk for someone he does like on defense.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Girgs - Eichel - Drouin would be pretty fun to watch. If Pysyk were to be moved for Drouin, Murray would have to do a TON of work on the defense, though. It's already terrible, moving Pysyk out of it would make it even worse.

According to Yost, there are guys out there like Fayne, Wiercioch and others who have posted solid, play-driving seasons in top four situations, who are essentially being given away right now.

Part of his basis for a Pysyk for Drouin deal was that the Sabres could turn around and get someone like Fayne for free.

 

[Jim Bob]

According to Yost, there are guys out there like Fayne, Wiercioch and others who have posted solid, play-driving seasons in top four situations, who are essentially being given away right now.

Part of his basis for a Pysyk for Drouin deal was that the Sabres could turn around and get someone like Fayne for free.

http://www.tsn.ca/simple-analysis-can-help-ask-right-questions-1.438701

Speaking of Yost, I wonder if Shane Prince is a guy Murray could go after?

The coaching thing is curious. You wonder why a guy like Shane Prince, who looks reasonably good with just about everyone, struggles to find ice time.

 

[Sabreality]

@GeorgeRichards
Brian Campbell told me he's open to coming back to #FlaPanthers ... Dale Tallon says they want him back. Agent here next week, will discuss.

 

[haseoke39]

Maybe he feels there is a ton of work to be done on the defense, with or without Pysyk? If he doesn't view him as part of his defense moving forward, he is going to look to replace him one way or another. So what does it matter if he is here for an extra forty games. His replacement is coming.

If you're looking at this defense and determining that Mark Pysyk needs to go one way or the other, you're batty. What you're saying amounts to maybe Tim Murray is batty. Who are these inevitable replacements? What are we giving up for them? How in the heck did they become available if they're that much better than Pysyk? If they're so easily obtained, why in the heck did we spend all last summer trying to fix the same holes and come away with Franson?

If we give up Pysyk for a forward, I think you can pretty safely tune out for the foreseeable future, at least until the front page of the Buffalo News starts announcing some blockbusters on defense. Compared to what we'd have left, there are probably better 6 man units in the AHL.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I'de trade anyone outside of Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, and O'Reilly for Drouin.

 

[Jame]

< Two weeks left as a Sabre or contract extension?

That tweet is straight dumb.

 

[stokes84]

If you're looking at this defense and determining that Mark Pysyk needs to go one way or the other, you're batty. What you're saying amounts to maybe Tim Murray is batty. Who are these inevitable replacements? What are we giving up for them? How in the heck did they become available if they're that much better than Pysyk? If they're so easily obtained, why in the heck did we spend all last summer trying to fix the same holes and come away with Franson?

If we give up Pysyk for a forward, I think you can pretty safely tune out for the foreseeable future, at least until the front page of the Buffalo News starts announcing some blockbusters on defense. Compared to what we'd have left, there are probably better 6 man units in the AHL.

You are overreacting to a player that, as has been pointed out in this thread, has played a pretty minor role on this team. How do you replace a bottom pairing defenseman that you don't want to move forward with? Look a few posts up. Struck listed players that can be had for very cheap.

 

[haseoke39]

You are overreacting to a player that, as has been pointed out in this thread, has played a pretty minor role on this team. How do you replace a bottom pairing defenseman that you don't want to move forward with? Look a few posts up. Struck listed players that can be had for very cheap.

Pysyk isn't a bottom pairing player for any good reason, though. He's the second best player on our back end right now.

 

[Jim Bob]

If you're looking at this defense and determining that Mark Pysyk needs to go one way or the other, you're batty. What you're saying amounts to maybe Tim Murray is batty. Who are these inevitable replacements? What are we giving up for them? How in the heck did they become available if they're that much better than Pysyk? If they're so easily obtained, why in the heck did we spend all last summer trying to fix the same holes and come away with Franson?

If we give up Pysyk for a forward, I think you can pretty safely tune out for the foreseeable future, at least until the front page of the Buffalo News starts announcing some blockbusters on defense. Compared to what we'd have left, there are probably better 6 man units in the AHL.

Whether Pysyk stays or goes for winger, the Sabres blueline still has the 1LHD hole.

Fixing that issue will make the rest of the blue line look a lot better.

Gorges-Bogosian as a #2 pair isn't that bad.

McCabe-Franson isn't the worst 3rd pairing out there.

The key on the blueline is all about getting the 1LHD to pair with Risto that puts the whole puzzle together.

And it's unlikely Pysyk can be used as the key piece to get that player.

The likely piece to land that guy is either the Sabres 2016 1st. That could switch to Reinhart if the Sabres get Matthews and/or Stamkos.

 

[Jim Bob]

Pysyk isn't a bottom pairing player for any good reason, though. He's the second best player on our back end right now.

http://public.tableau.com/shared/HGCDHG7S3?:display_count=yes

A penny for Murray's thoughts...

 

[Jame]

Whether Pysyk stays or goes for winger, the Sabres blueline still has the 1LHD hole.

Fixing that issue will make the rest of the blue line look a lot better.

Gorges-Bogosian as a #2 pair isn't that bad.

McCabe-Franson isn't the worst 3rd pairing out there.

The key on the blueline is all about getting the 1LHD to pair with Risto that puts the whole puzzle together.

And it's unlikely Pysyk can be used as the key piece to get that player.

The likely piece to land that guy is either the Sabres 2016 1st. That could switch to Reinhart if the Sabres get Matthews and/or Stamkos.

it's not? they aren't?

They KEY is building a blueline. Finding a top pair LHD is the most important, but it's not the end game.

The end game for me is solved when x, y, and z are filled to a contenders standards.
xxxx-Risto - 25 per
yyyy-Pysyk - 18 per
zzzz-Bogo - 18 per

Gorges is hot possession garbage. I'm not willing to simply say, "hey if we slide him down to the 2nd pair... he'll be NOT hot possession garbage".

Franson is a terrible hockey player. I'm not willing to simply say, "hey the young guy is going to be... better, when he's paired with the ultimate anchor"

The left side is a disaster right now. And one move doesn't fix it.

 

[Jame]

http://public.tableau.com/shared/HGCDHG7S3?:display_count=yes

A penny for Murray's thoughts...

Bylsma... ugh

 

[stokes84]

Pysyk isn't a bottom pairing player for any good reason, though. He's the second best player on our back end right now.

Even if that is the case, that isn't his role here. His value to the Sabres, and what would need to be filled, is the role that he currently fills. If he were playing 22 minutes a night, and by trading him, we needed to fill in that hole, there would be a real problem created.

Maybe you think he should be getting the 22 minutes a night, and maybe you think he should have the bigger role, but if the Sabres don't see it that way, it really doesn't matter.

 

[haseoke39]

Even if that is the case, that isn't his role here. His value to the Sabres, and what would need to be filled, is the role that he currently fills. If he were playing 22 minutes a night, and by trading him, we needed to fill in that hole, there would be a real problem created.

Maybe you think he should be getting the 22 minutes a night, and maybe you think he should have the bigger role, but if the Sabres don't see it that way, it really doesn't matter.

I'd prefer not to assume the team is too stupid to even use the talent they have. That seems like a terrible argument in favor of downgrading.