Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

[haseoke39]

Interesting.

Consensus price on HF. Be mildly surprised if they don't get it.

 

[Djp]

Trade board had an interesting suggestion. To get Vlasic using our 2016 1st, at what selection (if any) would you decline? Not even sure if the Sharks would do it

Not trading a top 10 pick for a 28 yr old with 2 full contract years left.

His value is a 1st+....it's not a top 10 first. Something more like 18-24+.

I'd trade a 2017 pick for him.

To get that pick with Vlasic, Hertl would have to be included.

Interesting.

No at all surprised.

 

[haseoke39]

If Stamkos signed, I think you'd have to seriously consider moving a young core forward for D.

There's no contention window without a reliable 1LHD and a 2LHD.

Wasting 1-2 years of ROR and Stamkos' primes because you can't fill obvious holes would be a pretty absurd strategy, especially since nobody we'd be waiting on is particularly blue chip.

 

[Samsonite23]

If Stamkos signed, I think you'd have to seriously consider moving a young core forward for D.

There's no contention window without a reliable 1LHD and a 2LHD.

Wasting 1-2 years of ROR and Stamkos' primes because you can't fill obvious holes would be a pretty absurd strategy, especially since nobody we'd be waiting on is particularly blue chip.

Just move this year's pick. Moves things along faster. But I don't think it'll happen anyway.

 

[dkollidas]

Just move this year's pick. Moves things along faster. But I don't think it'll happen anyway.

Agree with not moving a core forward.
But why move this years 1st?

You could probably do Guhle + '17 1st for someone like Edler or Enstrom, or maybe even Bouwmeester. And they play until Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev is ready to take the reigns (this is assuming, of course, we take a "d" with our first this season.

 

[dkollidas]

The longer and longer he's out, the more I think Ennis will be plugged in as a top-6 forward next season.
His value is diminished, so he won't return what we need.
He's still relatively young.
If he can get back to 20-20 form his contract is basically worth its value and he'd be more valuable in a deal at that point.

Maybe next season he can get us something, but at this point I think we hold him and try to put him on O'Reilly or Eichel's wing when he returns.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If Stamkos signed, I think you'd have to seriously consider moving a young core forward for D.

There's no contention window without a reliable 1LHD and a 2LHD.

Wasting 1-2 years of ROR and Stamkos' primes because you can't fill obvious holes would be a pretty absurd strategy, especially since nobody we'd be waiting on is particularly blue chip.

Or you just draft Chychrun or Juolevi. Each is probably spends their post-draft year in the OHL and then come to the NHL. Guhle also almost made the roster out of camp.

The Sabres could work with this line-up for a year:

Bogosian - Ristolainen
McCabe - Pysyk
Gorges - Franson

.... with Guhle and Juolevi/Chychrun coming in the following year.

 

[Samsonite23]

Agree with not moving a core forward.
But why move this years 1st?

You could probably do Guhle + '17 1st for someone like Edler or Enstrom, or maybe even Bouwmeester. And they play until Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev is ready to take the reigns (this is assuming, of course, we take a "d" with our first this season.

You can try. If you're looking for a young top pairing defenseman, I think this years pick needs to be used. Even then, it's not an easy trade to pull off.

 

[Zip15]

Campbellhas been awesome this year. I'd pursue him in UFA before looking at trading for the Bouwmeester's of the world.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

This guy is over 24. Would you trade a first for him?

Of course not. Can't trade for a top 5 dman if he's 26

I clearly meant not trading our first which is likely top 5/6 for someone turning 30 next season, who not only has just two years left on his deal after this season but also isn't an elite dman. Is Vlasic a top 10 dman? No he isn't. He isn't elite. He's a top 15-20 Dman. He's a very good dman but again nit an elite one. He isn't putting our D core let alone our team over the top.

Let's see.

Draft an 18 year old elite prospect with bare minimum 7 years of team control who would be on a cheap ELC for 3 years giving us cap flexibility to be major players in free agency or trade the pick for a soon to be 30 year old player who is a UFA in 2018




But I would be all for trading our first if it was outside the top 5 for a top pairing LHD if it goes hand in hand with signing Stamkos. It solves our two biggest needs. Finding a star to match with Eichel and finding a top pairing dman to pair with Risto. That could accelerate our rebuild and turn us into instant contenders if we add an elite goal scorer and a top pairing LHD to match with our stud franchise D.

 

[haseoke39]

Or you just draft Chychrun or Juolevi. Each is probably spends their post-draft year in the OHL and then come to the NHL. Guhle also almost made the roster out of camp.

The Sabres could work with this line-up for a year:

Bogosian - Ristolainen
McCabe - Pysyk
Gorges - Franson

.... with Guhle and Juolevi/Chychrun coming in the following year.

That's this year's lineup exactly, plus a low-percentage second rounder, plus a high pick that's probably a strong bet to be top 4, but may take 4-5 years to reach their potential.

So Steven Stamkos plays four years or so, gets past the wrong side of 30 before we finally, hopefully fix the most glaringly weak LHD-corps in the league.

We'd have Murray's head. Sitting pat and drafting doesn't work for us anymore. We accelerated the rebuild already. You can't waste time anymore without squandering prime years on key players.

Especially if you get Stamkos, which was the premise of my post, you have to fix the defense immediately. Anything else is just bad management.

 

[EichHart]

The more I watch Edmonton the more I want to take a d man with our 1st and find our wingers elsewhere if we don't draft top 3.

 

[Der Jaeger]

That's this year's lineup exactly, plus a low-percentage second rounder, plus a high pick that's probably a strong bet to be top 4, but may take 4-5 years to reach their potential.

So Steven Stamkos plays four years or so, gets past the wrong side of 30 before we finally, hopefully fix the most glaringly weak LHD-corps in the league.

We'd have Murray's head. Sitting pat and drafting doesn't work for us anymore. We accelerated the rebuild already. You can't waste time anymore without squandering prime years on key players.

Especially if you get Stamkos, which was the premise of my post, you have to fix the defense immediately. Anything else is just bad management.

You're not allowing for development.

Next year it won't even be the same. McCabe and Pysyk can start to carry top 4 heavy lifting full-time, and Ristolainen gets a responsible partner in Bogosian from game one.

The year after that, you get Chychrun/Juolevi, and maybe Guhle on the team.

By Stamkos' theoretical third year on the team, the top 4 is:

Guhle - Ristolainen
Chychrun/Juolevi - Pysyk
McCabe - Bogosian

Or some variation of that. And it won't take Chychrun/Juolevi that long to contribute. Use Doughty and Maatta as the measuring sticks, the players they most compare to.

Even then, it's well within Murray's resources to flip Ennis (after a season of healthy play) for a chemistry fit for Ristolainen (Scandella?). Even then, the "#2" defenseman, Chychrun or Juolevi, doesn't need to play next to Ristolainen to serve in that role. He just needs to carry the second pair. And both of them can do that well within the 4-5 years you mention.

 

[dkollidas]

You can try. If you're looking for a young top pairing defenseman, I think this years pick needs to be used. Even then, it's not an easy trade to pull off.

You get a vet so you can develop you're top pair guy (drafting Juolevi/Chychrun/Sergachev).
If you can Enstron or Edler next to Ristolainen for two years, it's worth the '17 1st and a prospect.

 

[TehDoak]

If Stamkos signed, I think you'd have to seriously consider moving a young core forward for D.

There's no contention window without a reliable 1LHD and a 2LHD.

Wasting 1-2 years of ROR and Stamkos' primes because you can't fill obvious holes would be a pretty absurd strategy, especially since nobody we'd be waiting on is particularly blue chip.

The problem with that is that IF we sign Stamkos (which its extremely unlikely), it's going to happen AFTER 7/1. Which typically means the trades are shutdown.

The other issue you have with a Stamkos signing is that we're now a cap team. So, if you want to add a top pairing d-man, you gotta clear out salary.

FORWARDS (13)
Rightwing: T. Ennis ($4,600,000) - S. Reinhart ($894,167) - M. Foligno ($2,000,000) - B. Gionta ($4,250,000)
Centre: S. Stamkos ($11,000,000) - J. Eichel ($925,000) - J. Larsson ($1,750,000) - T. Schaller ($700,000)
Leftwing: R. O'Reilly ($7,500,000) - Z. Girgensons ($2,750,000) - E. Kane ($5,250,000) - N. Deslauriers ($800,000) - M. Moulson ($5,000,000)

DEFENSE (6)
Right: R. Ristolainen ($6,000,000) - Z. Bogosian ($5,142,857) - M. Pysyk ($1,125,000)
Left: A. Goligoski ($5,200,000) - J. Gorges ($3,900,000) - J. McCabe ($950,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
R. Lehner ($2,225,000) - L. Ullmark ($775,833)


DETAILS
Roster Size: 21
NHL Salary Cap: $
LTIR: $1,500,000
Cap Hit: $74,779,524

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Hard to believe that with the way some people were stressing that our long run of poor play was solely due to Pysyk being out along with almost everyone vehemently against trading him in a deal for Drouin.

 

[TehDoak]

Just an FYI
John Warrow dropped some interesting information. He's heard Sabres are not impressed with Pysyk, even went so far as to say don't be surprised if he's not here next season.

Given his TOI and rotation on the bottom pair (and being sent to the AHL last year), that's not surprising in the least.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

2-17: SPORTSNET'S JOHN SHANNON TALKS STAMKOS ON WGR (14:36)

 

[NEcoli]

Patrick Wiercioch is supposedly available. He could be a nice, low-cost depth addition to the blue-line, assuming one or more of the righties is headed out at the deadline.

 

[Jim Bob]

Vlasic is elite.

http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com/2016/01/weighted-and-rigidly-regressed.html

Go here and compare Vlasic to OEL.

If you didn't look at the names, a lot of people might guess incorrectly with regards to which guy had which stats.

 

[Jim Bob]

where did he say this?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Drake Caggiula

Remember this guy?


The National Hockey League's free agency period this upcoming July could be one of the most anticipated free agency days in many years. Tampa Bay Lightning forward Steven Stamkos could be hitting the market as an unrestricted free agent, free to sign with any team that offers him the right contract.

But there is one notable name that is set to hit the free agent market, and he could be available as soon as late March.

Drake Caggiula (KA-jewel-uh) is a senior playing at the University of North Dakota with the Fighting Hawks. Caggiula, 21, is having a stellar season in North Dakota, as he has 15 goals and 17 assists in 25 games. Caggiula will hit the free agent market once his season has come to an end in Grand Forks.

 

[Icicle]

Pysyk has had maybe a handful of bad games this year, which weren't really goals against games, just penned in the zone games. He's had bad penalties only a few times, and they were stretch calls at that even. During the stretch he was out our whole team defense was running in circles out of control because they could never catch any stability until the Risto pairing came out and the whole team suffered.

The way to look at his AHL stints last year I always thought was a devious tanking move and not a knock at his abilities at all. To create a narrative that he has been in the doghouse all last year and is being relegated to the third line this year I think is terrible analysis from an outsider who hasn't picked up on these other factors. Him being on the third pairing is because we have the curious case of Zach Bogosian who can't really play the left side (and neither can Risto or Pysyk), but can't supplant Risto on the first line. He brings stability to the circus that has been our third pairing this year.

Trading Pysyk would be an enormous mistake. I've been a fan of Murray up to this point, despite his swiftness to spend everything Darcy had acquired, but if he were to trade Pysyk for anything that isn't a sure-fire top 4 LHD (which he won't) he will become my biggest enemy.

 

[Zip15]

I know, that's me tracking it down.

 

[Dunkster19]

Remember this guy?


The National Hockey League's free agency period this upcoming July could be one of the most anticipated free agency days in many years. Tampa Bay Lightning forward Steven Stamkos could be hitting the market as an unrestricted free agent, free to sign with any team that offers him the right contract.

But there is one notable name that is set to hit the free agent market, and he could be available as soon as late March.

Drake Caggiula (KA-jewel-uh) is a senior playing at the University of North Dakota with the Fighting Hawks. Caggiula, 21, is having a stellar season in North Dakota, as he has 15 goals and 17 assists in 25 games. Caggiula will hit the free agent market once his season has come to an end in Grand Forks.

It would be nice if we could land him but everything I have read says he is most likely Chicago bound