Roster Speculation 2015-16 Pt. III

[Zman5778]

I don't think trading hypothetical 18 year olds for 22-25 yr old core type players is being impatient

I think it's flat out smart.

Now, will the opportunity presents itself? Probably not, but I'd have a list of guys and I'd be having those conversations.

Can't really disagree with anything here.

If we get an offer for a guy like OEL or Toffoli or some other 22-25 year old that would fit perfectly in this team, yeah you do it. No question.

I'm not trading it just to trade it though.

 

[hizzoner]

Let me throw out something that others may or may not have suggested. How about starting Eichel on RW? He is a young bull and a very good goal scorer. Leave Moulson, Girgs, and Ennis together. Put Reinhart with Kane and Eichel. Larsson centres Grigo and Foligno. Staple together a 4th line out of what's left. Eichel can get his sea legs and when TM thinks he is ready puts him to centre on top line with whatever wings he thinks. Ah--hope and anticipation--it's been so long!

 

[Zman5778]

Let me throw out something that others may or may not have suggested. How about starting Eichel on RW? He is a young bull and a very good goal scorer. Leave Moulson, Girgs, and Ennis together. Put Reinhart with Kane and Eichel. Larsson centres Grigo and Foligno. Staple together a 4th line out of what's left. Eichel can get his sea legs and when TM thinks he is ready puts him to centre on top line with whatever wings he thinks. Ah--hope and anticipation--it's been so long!

Starting Eichel on the wing is and always has been an option. But not with another young center that may also need to start on the wing.

That said -- watching Eichel in the WCs......I'm not nearly as sold on him needing to start at wing. Maybe you break him in easy between Foligno and Gionta.....Foligno's played a bit of C before.

As far as Girgensons goes, in my ideal world he starts with Reinhart. Seems like a great pairing and then when Reinhart is ready to play C, figure out where Zemgod goes.

 

[Husko]

I don't think Murray would put our 2016 first in play for anything other than a potentially elite dman. I certainly don't think he would do it for a winger. Between Kane, Ennis, Moulson and potentially Girgensons I think he's going to think we already have enough of our cap invested in the wings, without sacrificing a 1st round pick to invest even more.

To build on this, I just listened to Bylsma on WGR and, in response to a question about goaltending, he discussed how the most important pieces on the team are the top-4 D and the top 3 centers. If his thinking is in line with GMTM's, I'm even more sure a big name winger isn't going to be on the agenda.

 

[Jame]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

 

[Matt Ress]

It may be just as or almost as effective to trade one of the three big RW prospects. It will certainly hurt less and I believe they're regarded pretty highly among GMs. Take your pick

A successful year in the A will definitely build value to Bailey and Baptiste though.

 

[Husko]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

Done. And I don't even think twice about it. With the exception that I'd probably want some sort of protection (maybe top 3/lotto win protection) on the '16 pick. Otherwise you take this, run away screaming and happy.

In other words Arizona hangs up the phone.

 

[Gabrielor]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

It can't be far off...and it makes perfect sense for us to do.

 

[Husko]

It may be just as or almost as effective to trade one of the three big RW prospects. It will certainly hurt less and I believe they're regarded pretty highly among GMs. Take your pick.

Trade them for what exactly? It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see one of them flipped for an equal value D prospect.

 

[Matt Ress]

Trade them for what exactly? It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see one of them flipped for an equal value D prospect.

Yeah exactly. I think the odds of all three coming up with the Sabres, all within a year or so, are slim anyway.

To be more precise, if they were packaged for a young NHL ready d man with say, 21. I'm pretty sure we've picked apart any possible trade returns but more importantly, TM surely has his favorites.

 

[Jame]

To build on this, I just listened to Bylsma on WGR and, in response to a question about goaltending, he discussed how the most important pieces on the team are the top-4 D and the top 3 centers. If his thinking is in line with GMTM's, I'm even more sure a big name winger isn't going to be on the agenda.

Everything he says is music to my ears.

 

[Matt Ress]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

I don't hate this at all and Yotes on HF fans might whine about it but in reality, this could get them to contention level in a few years.

 

[Zman5778]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

I do that in a nanosecond. Not sure if the Coyotes do though.

 

[Jame]

Done. And I don't even think twice about it. With the exception that I'd probably want some sort of protection (maybe top 3/lotto win protection) on the '16 pick. Otherwise you take this, run away screaming and happy.

In other words Arizona hangs up the phone.

I don't even need top 3 protection... Isn't OEL the top 10ish defensemen/dynamic offensive force we'd be looking for with a top pick anyways?

Phoenix has a ton of work to do... I'm not so sure they'd turn down 5 first rounders, 3 of which their assistant GM chose...

 

[Revelate]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

gut reaction is that this is such an easy yes, that it would be a hard no for ARZ.

 

[Jame]

gut reaction is that this is such an easy yes, that it would be a hard no for ARZ.

It's become an easy yes, because our prospect pool is insanely good

 

[Woodhouse]

More realistically, the name I'm sure NYR look to move is Dan Girardi. Big, long contract and he's already sort of old. I'm sure they'd rather keep Staal than Girardi and the cap savings are about the same. Any interest in a much more palatable package for Girardi, or is that contract something we need to avoid?

Avoid. Stumbled upon this: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=103314383&postcount=527

 

[Revelate]

It's become an easy yes, because our prospect pool is insanely good

the extra shot at Matthews could be enticing to them. i would **** a brick if we acquired OEL. he is one of my favorite players to watch. i consider him a top-5 defenseman.

 

[Gabrielor]

the extra shot at Matthews could be enticing to them. i would **** a brick if we acquired OEL. he is one of my favorite players to watch. i consider him a top-5 defenseman.

Furthermore, it would add an already-established elite core piece to our system, in exchange for several 'potential' cornerstones. Win-win move. The only question would be Arizona's take on it.

 

[Beerz]

Furthermore, it would add an already-established elite core piece to our system, in exchange for several 'potential' cornerstones. Win-win move. The only question would be Arizona's take on it.

No. They wouldn't.

Reinhart ++

Risto ++

 

[haseoke39]

It's become an easy yes, because our prospect pool is insanely good

Its an easy yes because we win it handily.

 

[Paxon]

Grigo. Zadorov, 21st, 2016 1st, hodgson,
For
OEL

 

[stokes84]

OEL is great, but we are in no position to trade our 2016 1st, under any circumstancesl. Most untouchable asset we have after Eichel. There is a very good chance we are back in the basement again, even with OEL, and we don't have much margin of error even if things go well. We need to see where this ship is heading first.

 

[joshjull]

Let me throw out something that others may or may not have suggested. How about starting Eichel on RW? He is a young bull and a very good goal scorer. Leave Moulson, Girgs, and Ennis together. Put Reinhart with Kane and Eichel. Larsson centres Grigo and Foligno. Staple together a 4th line out of what's left. Eichel can get his sea legs and when TM thinks he is ready puts him to centre on top line with whatever wings he thinks. Ah--hope and anticipation--it's been so long!

Don't want to put two youngsters together like that (Eichel/Reinhart). You also forgot Gionta. Who will certainly be in the top 9.

 

[Husko]

Strokes, how can you consider our 2016 pick a better asset than Reinhart when Reinhart was a #2 OA and even if we finish last in the league our chance at drafting in the top 2 will only be like 40%?