Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build
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leeroggy
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periferal
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Sign by deadline or trade him. I don’t want the risk of losing for free
impaaaaaact
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lol yeah this sounds familiar. would love to stay! plans to stay! ***takes a discount to go to childhood team***
I get that not every situation is going to be the Tavares situation and you need to take this on it's own merit. I just don't think the franchise can afford a "fooled me twice" scenario at this point in time.
After reading this I don’t think Nelson would walk away after his contract expires. I’m wondering if Nelson loves it on the Island so much that he’d sign a team friendly deal for less money and term than he could get on the market?
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Idk that the wild are Nelson’s childhood team. They didn’t come into existence until he was 9-years-old. I’d assume by that age, he would have already latched onto another team to root for. Maybe Detroit or Chicago?
leeroggy
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Given the increase in the salary cap, it might make sense to frontload a contract if the idea is to extend him. Not sure how the Bargaining Agreement works with this anymore.
Collective Bargaining Agreement
The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res
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I scanned through that but didn't see anything specific about contracts that have different salaries across the years.
So, say a 4-year, $30 million amount, paid out as
25-26 - $10 mill
26-27 - $10 mill
27-28 - $7 mill
28-29 - $3 mill
If Palms walks, we should be able to handle this. Plus, a buyout of Engvall and Mayfield saves about $4,200,000 per.
PK Cronin
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I don't even think it's a fooled me twice situation, Nelson is past his prime and will only be a depreciating asset at this time.
Does the value he brings if he stays outweigh the value of whatever is brought in by trading him? I don't think so. I'd trade him and if he wants to come back on a team friendly deal over the summer the team can do that too. He's not a player in his prime that can change the course of the franchise if he chooses to stay so he shouldn't be treated as such.
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They aren't buying out Mayfield.Given the increase in the salary cap, it might make sense to frontload a contract if the idea is to extend him. Not sure how the Bargaining Agreement works with this anymore.
Collective Bargaining Agreement
The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res
I scanned through that but didn't see anything specific about contracts that have different salaries across the years.
So, say a 4-year, $30 million amount, paid out as
25-26 - $10 mill
26-27 - $10 mill
27-28 - $7 mill
28-29 - $3 mill
If Palms walks, we should be able to handle this. Plus, a buyout of Engvall and Mayfield saves about $4,200,000 per.
20M over three years for Brock.
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I don't even think it's a fooled me twice situation, Nelson is past his prime and will only be a depreciating asset at this time.
Does the value he brings if he stays outweigh the value of whatever is brought in by trading him? I don't think so. I'd trade him and if he wants to come back on a team friendly deal over the summer the team can do that too. He's not a player in his prime that can change the course of the franchise if he chooses to stay so he shouldn't be treated as such.
Edit: Forgot to past the post from @PK Cronin (see above)
That’s harsh and I agree.
I’ll add this. Losing him for picks and or assets likely makes us a little worse in the short run but gives us a better chance of building a base in the next few years. Reassigning him keeps us in the mediocre range for this year and maybe next, but actually makes us worse after that considering everything involved.
Thank you for your service Brock. It’s been fun.
Does the value he brings if he stays outweigh the value of whatever is brought in by trading him? I don't think so. I'd trade him and if he wants to come back on a team friendly deal over the summer the team can do that too. He's not a player in his prime that can change the course of the franchise if he chooses to stay so he shouldn't be treated as such.
Edit: Forgot to past the post from @PK Cronin (see above)
That’s harsh and I agree.
I’ll add this. Losing him for picks and or assets likely makes us a little worse in the short run but gives us a better chance of building a base in the next few years. Reassigning him keeps us in the mediocre range for this year and maybe next, but actually makes us worse after that considering everything involved.
Thank you for your service Brock. It’s been fun.
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Throttle
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It’s in his control, so he sets how he wants to roll for the rest of his career.
There’s a difference when they are forced to adapt (trade, waivers, etc.) vs. a going in eyes wide open knowing your role, teammates, locale, etc.
Should Nelson go? Yes, the asset side of it.
My concern is what/where the replacement and what is the value of it? He’s still a 30+ goal scorer for a team that can’t score. Replacing that is easily a $5/6/7M player.
A scorer will decline, no doubt. He plays a soft game though. There’s not many anomalies on age, maybe the 39 yr old Russian guy is the only one…
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Re Nelson, my assumption has been that it's unlikely that Lou would deal him with 21 games after the TDL. If Botta's correct that Brock wants to stay, then we can probably forget about a deal and just wonder what the next NYI contract would look like, or do we "lose him for nothing"?
Speaking of losing players for nothing, IMO this is actually a worthwhile read from the EDM blogger on HB. It lists all the better potential "rentals" (ie., pending UFAs) and groups them by likelihood of staying where they are or being moved. So, even if you disagree with the writer's groupings, it's a good resource. And in his opinion there are a lot of UFAs who are not getting moved at the TDL, so some teams are probably going to lose players "for nothing".
www.hockeybuzz.com
Speaking of losing players for nothing, IMO this is actually a worthwhile read from the EDM blogger on HB. It lists all the better potential "rentals" (ie., pending UFAs) and groups them by likelihood of staying where they are or being moved. So, even if you disagree with the writer's groupings, it's a good resource. And in his opinion there are a lot of UFAs who are not getting moved at the TDL, so some teams are probably going to lose players "for nothing".
HockeyBuzz.com - Sean Maloughney - Breaking Down The Rental Market
www.hockeybuzz.com
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Can we lose Lou “for nothing”?Re Nelson, my assumption has been that it's unlikely that Lou would deal him with 21 games after the TDL. If Botta's correct that Brock wants to stay, then we can probably forget about a deal and just wonder what the next NYI contract would look like, or do we "lose him for nothing"?
Speaking of losing players for nothing, IMO this is actually a worthwhile read from the EDM blogger on HB. It lists all the better potential "rentals" (ie., pending UFAs) and groups them by likelihood of staying where they are or being moved. So, even if you disagree with the writer's groupings, it's a good resource. And in his opinion there are a lot of UFAs who are not getting moved at the TDL, so some teams are probably going to lose players "for nothing".
HockeyBuzz.com - Sean Maloughney - Breaking Down The Rental Market
I’ll even add a sweetener.
Maybe you don’t replace his 30 goals. The trade of Nelson won’t bring back a a player with similar stats. It likely brings you back a prospect and a pick. So maybe you hse this as an opportunity to let the franchise take a step or two backwards, restock the talent pool, and hope the future has us taking a step past what the team’s high water mark has been in this era.
Replacing 30 goals can’t be what keeps you from trading a player that should not have his contract extended.
Throttle
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I agree and have been a proponent of using the assets from UFA trades to do a Romanov like deal.
On Nelson scoring, it’s more when replacing his 30, are you paying $5/6/7M to cover that, even if it’s free via UFA? That’s going sideways.
I’d just prefer a different mix of core players at this point. Freshen things up.
Kevin27NYI
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I’m fine with this entire post.
I just wonder if there’s an opportunity and if it’s not looking like it, does Lou just prefer to sign Nelson and upgrade the wing next to him from a Palmieri to ‘Ehlers’
Or add a Chychrun to the back end and promote Holmstrom.
What we do have is opportunity and cap.
My mantra has been to sell and improve. Not rebuild. Trading a first plus for Pettersson is ok with me, for example.
If we hum along like we are, my line in the sand is Palmieri. I don’t see many viable options to replace Nelson but I do Palms so trading him for a first or package of picks, giving Holmstrom more ice time, and then using the spot, money and assets to improve would make me happy.
Washington last season sold Mantha for a second and still made it.
It can be done.
