Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Mr Misunderstood]

Is it Sorokin or the team in front of him since Hogberg's numbers are just as good (1.45 GAA 9.47 sv%)? That said, someone better than Skarek needs to be found if Hogberg is out past the break.

I think a little bit of both. I would need to see the high danger shot statistics to really tell if the defense in front of the goalies are the difference or if it is the goaltenders themselves.

 

[Throttle]

We have reached new levels of insanity here.

5 years and 7.5 for Nelson is absolutely ludicrous.

Have we really learned nothing???

Just asking, how is it different than all those saying the Isles needed to sign Marchissaeilt?

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Just asking, how is it different than all those saying the Isles needed to sign Marchissaeilt?

equally idiotic

 

[Throttle]

equally idiotic

Ok, that’s fair. It was just another one of ‘we need this guy, sign him no matter what’ scenarios.

 

[periferal]

Judging by the feedback on the "quality" of this draft after the middle of the first round in the Trade Forum, trading Nelson for a 1st from a contender in this draft is likely not to amount to much in the long run, and trading him probably would knock us out of any shot at the playoffs -- and the revenue that would bring the team. I agree that he shouldn't be resigned to anything other than a short term, very team friendly contract, which isn't going to happen, but I won't be all that put out if we just hang on to him at the TDL.

For the billionth time...

A draft pick is no different than a player - It just an asset that has value....And can be traded again.

Nelson is already fading as a player so resigning him to 4 years at his age (much less longer) is insane...As is letting him walk for nothing on a team that's nowhere near a Cup.

You trade Nelson and get a 1st back (at least). Now you have more options, room to breathe, and figure out what you want to do before the draft. If someone offers you a great player for that 1st then package it and you deal it. No problem.

Or you ask for a 2026 1st where the draft is supposed to be much deeper.

But at some point you're going to have to draft players and get much younger, and that's where your scouts, who need to be on point, must unearth talent in any draft.

This is about creating options for getting this team younger and more talented so we can actually compete for the Cup again. Resigning Nelson or letting him walk for no assets is the opposite of that.

 

[denis5]

It makes people feel good… most of the clear contenders don’t have first rounders.

There's a reason that many contenders have punted on this year's first. Even the Rangers, when they moved their pick, made it protected up to the very specific number of 13th overall. Anyway, this is coming from insiders like MacKenzie, who speaks to scouts. From that thread, talent falls off a cliff from around pick 15-20 on, and MacKenzie went so far as to say that by the second round, you are getting a player that wouldn't go until the third in a typical draft. Top heavy to start, ass after that.

 

[denis5]

For the billionth time...

A draft pick is no different than a player - It just an asset that has value....And can be traded again.

Nelson is already fading as a player so resigning him to 4 years at his age (much less longer) is insane...As is letting him walk for nothing on a team that's nowhere near a Cup.

You trade Nelson and get a 1st back (at least). Now you have more options, room to breathe, and figure out what you want to do before the draft. If someone offers you a great player for that 1st then package it and you deal it. No problem.

Or you ask for a 2026 1st where the draft is supposed to be much deeper.

But at some point you're going to have to draft players and get much younger, and that's where your scouts, if they're on point, can unearth talent in any draft.

This is about creating options for getting this team younger and more talented so we can actually compete for the Cup again. Resigning Nelson or letting him walk for no assets is the opposite of that.

If the draft is as bad as they say it is by the time you get to use that contender's pick, you aren't getting squat for it, and if you draft, the odds are very high that the player's upside is Bellows. Maybe if you can get a 2026, but would that even be on the table? Some of the trade proposals I've seen floated (Casey Middlestadt and a Second from the Avs suggested by the Atlantic) would actually set the team back because of the loss of cap space.

I agree, no way should Nelson be resigned to a contract with high (or even medium) dollars and term, but even if we don't get a cup, if Nelson is seen as the difference between making the playoffs or not, I doubt the team moves him as the return won't be worth it unless some GM out there loses their mind. The bigger concern is what we do with our own pick -- I don't want it moved for the reasons you outline, but I worry that if we are in or near a playoff spot at the TDL, Lou is very likely to move it for reinforcements.

 

[duster19]

Detroit was red hot last year at this time then choked .

I'm sure Paul Bizz would rather see the young up and coming teams like sens and detroit stay in those playoff spots instead of isles , boston

come on man , none of those high end free agents are going to consider the isles

Definitely some Similarities to last season going on. Isles made a run right around the deadline last year to get back in it. Then they stalled out after the deadline. Big injuries.

Duclair wasn’t good to begin with. There’s a reason he’s been on 9 teams in a 11 years.

He’s the ‘good’ player on a bad team type. Contenders bite to get some depth.

When Florida signs you, then goes to the SC final, then dumps you to … SJ, only for the Florida to win it the following season. That’s a team saying ‘we need a better player to win.’ So, they cut bait.

he looks like a player with tools but no toolbox. I can see how he gets opportunities but how coaches would tire quickly.