Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Why would the team waive an average player making league average?

 

[leeroggy]

Why would the team waive an average player making league average?

As a 4th-liner, he is making more than league average for the slot. Personally, I like Foudy filling that role at this point.

Don't get me wrong, Engvall brings some solid things to the table, but Tsyp and Holmstrom are making him expendable since the top 3 lines are more set now.

 

[crashthenet]

Personally would rather have #16 over Engvall What do I know?

Pat LaFontaine?

Engvall is a good at getting the transition game going. He also seems to excel when he plays a complementary role on a line with at a physical winger on the other side. Gauthier seems a little lacking the IQ department.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

As a 4th-liner, he is making more than league average for the slot.

It doesn't matter where you put him. He's still an average player making average salary.

Tsyplakov. Oh boy.

 

[seafoam]

As a 4th-liner, he is making more than league average for the slot. Personally, I like Foudy filling that role at this point.

Don't get me wrong, Engvall brings some solid things to the table, but Tsyp and Holmstrom are making him expendable since the top 3 lines are more set now.

Foudy, Gauthier, Holmstrom, and Tsyplakov have a combined 407 NHL regular season games played while Engvall alone has 318.

I would be surprised if they traded or waived Engvall. He may not get the first crack in the lineup, but over the course of an 82 game season, I have concerns about the guys I mentioned above being effective over the course of the season.

 

[SI90]

OK - looking a bit deeper I do wonder if Lou could move Engvall to Columbus- still unlikely- Waddell is looking for a trade to bolster the roster-

Hell, Lou could move both Engvall and Wahlstrom

I would do that. Gives Wally a shot somewhere else and gets us out of the Engvall contract

The best thing about Roy is the best players and most affective players will play. Engvall can’t play for him. Engvall does not play the style of game that Roy is ok with. I love that about Roy.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Foudy, Gauthier, Holmstrom, and Tsyplakov have a combined 407 NHL regular season games played while Engvall alone has 318.

I would be surprised if they traded or waived Engvall. He may not get the first crack in the lineup, but over the course of an 82 game season, I have concerns about the guys I mentioned above being effective over the course of the season.

Known vs. Unknown

 

[boredmale]

Possible very possible...

And to go a step further - does Waddell and the Blue Jackets claim him?
He is on record saying he wants to add - possibly via trade or waiver wire.
They need NHL forwards - 11 with Danforth now on IR and their 11th F is Owen Sillinger a career AHLer.

But 5 more seasons after this one?

It's intriguing to me.

Nobody is picking him up given the length of the deal. Maybe if he had like 1-2 years left at his caphit you might find somebody interested

 

[doublechili]

Waiving Engvall with the intent to send him to BP makes sense to the extent that the $1.1M of cap space you'd gain (basing this on Big L's post earlier) would allow them to keep an extra player on the roster to start the season. If Tsyplakov and others work out, then Engvall spends the season in BP (and maybe gets "Kulemined" next summer?). If not, they just bring Engvall back up. It gives them some flexibility if they need it. Having said all that, my guess is that they keep Engvall on the roster.

 

[Glory Days]

Roy said Cholo and Hutton have been better than Bolduc. That doesn’t sound good for Bolduc.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Foudy, Gauthier, Holmstrom, and Tsyplakov have a combined 407 NHL regular season games played while Engvall alone has 318.

Tsyplakov has a grand total of zero. Maybe a backup plan is in order here.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Waiving Engvall with the intent to send him to BP makes sense to the extent that the $1.1M of cap space you'd gain (basing this on Big L's post earlier) would allow them to keep an extra player on the roster to start the season. If Tsyplakov and others work out, then Engvall spends the season in BP (and maybe gets "Kulemined" next summer?). If not, they just bring Engvall back up. It gives them some flexibility if they need it. Having said all that, my guess is that they keep Engvall on the roster.

It's true that waiving Engvall saves a little over a million - that's slightly more than waiving Wahlstrom or Foudy, but it's not the difference between keeping an extra player on the roster or not.

Let's say right now Sorokin is on the opening day roster with Engvall as the 13th forward and Bolduc as the 7th D. That leaves the team 37.5k above the cap. If instead of Engvall, the 13th forward is Wahlstrom, that clears up another 150k - still, not close to adding another player. A player making the min would bring that to around 400k so still not enough to make a difference on the roster.

If you really believe in the ragtag group of AAAA players as much as Engvall, and want to get his contract off the books you need to trade him to another team - and it's possible it might take a low pick/prospect to do that, as well as getting around his NTC(lol, great contract Lou).

If a team like Columbus took Wahlstrom to take on Engvall's contract (and Engvall waives) we could clear his contract, wash our hands of Wahlstrom, and start the year with some rotation of Gauthier, Foudy, and Fasching for that last 8 minute a game wing spot with Cizikas and Maclean.

In all likelihood though Engvall will be around whether he's in the lineup or not, Fasching will start the year on IR, Wahlstrom and Foudy will be waived, and at least one of them will be claimed.

***also worth noting, if the team plans on starting the year with both Wahlstrom and Engvall on the roster, there will not be enough money for a seventh D man. IMO this greatly decreases Wahlstrom's chances of making the team.***

 

[Throttle]

All the PTO junk gets put on waivers, they’ll get called up when an inevitable injury happens.

They’ll work the PTO marker on Martin for as long as he and the team want to do so. A forward injury probably gets him signed. Two injuries almost guarantees it. He’ll ride it out until Turkey day to see if he is needed or not. Highly unlikely he goes to another team due to the disruption in his life.

Wally either stays up and rides the bench (shocking) or Roy/Lou are comfortable trying to slide him through (Bellows) and if he’s taken, then they have the PTO players and/or Martin to take his place.

If Engvall goes on waivers (probably not, fan driven narrative), then it’s as a wake up call and cap savings for a limited period to give a PTO player a chance at the NHL again; when they slip (95% chance they do), PTO to AHL, Engvall back up.

 

[Osakahaus]

Why would the team waive an average player making league average?

I know its easy to poo poo on Pierre but he DID look better with Roy than with Lambert

 

[Top Corner]

Roy said Cholo and Hutton have been better than Bolduc. That doesn’t sound good for Bolduc.

Cholo for sure has been the best, Bolduc hasn’t been horrible but he panics when in a bad situations

 

[LeapOnOver]

So the GM is going to waive a guy he signed to a long contract to keep a guy he got that's been waived several times already. Does anybody really think that sounds like LLs M.O.? I mean, several of you keep bringing it up in your armchair GM talks about what you would do, but you do know that's not going to happen, right?

 

[doublechili]

It's true that waiving Engvall saves a little over a million - that's slightly more than waiving Wahlstrom or Foudy, but it's not the difference between keeping an extra player on the roster or not.

Let's say right now Sorokin is on the opening day roster with Engvall as the 13th forward and Bolduc as the 7th D. That leaves the team 37.5k above the cap. If instead of Engvall, the 13th forward is Wahlstrom, that clears up another 150k - still, not close to adding another player. A player making the min would bring that to around 400k so still not enough to make a difference on the roster.

If you really believe in the ragtag group of AAAA players as much as Engvall, and want to get his contract off the books you need to trade him to another team - and it's possible it might take a low pick/prospect to do that, as well as getting around his NTC(lol, great contract Lou).

If a team like Columbus took Wahlstrom to take on Engvall's contract (and Engvall waives) we could clear his contract, wash our hands of Wahlstrom, and start the year with some rotation of Gauthier, Foudy, and Fasching for that last 8 minute a game wing spot with Cizikas and Maclean.

In all likelihood though Engvall will be around whether he's in the lineup or not, Fasching will start the year on IR, Wahlstrom and Foudy will be waived, and at least one of them will be claimed.

***also worth noting, if the team plans on starting the year with both Wahlstrom and Engvall on the roster, there will not be enough money for a seventh D man. IMO this greatly decreases Wahlstrom's chances of making the team.***

I wrote that waiving Engvall would enable them to keep (not add) another player on the roster. What I meant is that Engvall is kind of a "free" waiver in that he'll probably clear, but in the unlikely event if he doesn't and gets claimed they just cleared $3M from the cap for each of the next 6 years. Again, I'm not advocating this - I probably like Engvall more than most posters around here. Of the 13 forwards on the roster right now, I'd say Fasching and Wahlstrom are in the most danger if they want to make room for, say, Foudy.

 

[Throttle]

So the GM is going to waive a guy he signed to a long contract to keep a guy he got that's been waived several times already. Does anybody really think that sounds like LLs M.O.? I mean, several of you keep bringing it up in your armchair GM talks about what you would do, but you do know that's not going to happen, right?

It’s PTO takes a spot or bust narrative. The Isles found that special castoff that’s going onto their 3rd/4th team - the lightbulb went on. Good luck with that.

Lou made a shrewd move with Reiley and that’s paid off. Fans already wanted to dump him in the offseason…

 

[IslesNorway]

An NHL roster is not comprised of the best players. It's all about the contracts the players are not. Engvall is on a six year deal and will not be waived for that reason alone. He can get outperformed time and again but his contract ensures a spot.

 

[miscs75]

It’s PTO takes a spot or bust narrative. The Isles found that special castoff that’s going onto their 3rd/4th team - the lightbulb went on. Good luck with that.

Lou made a shrewd move with Reiley and that’s paid off. Fans already wanted to dump him in the offseason…

Fans also think Julien Gauthier is going to magically form into a sure fire NHL player even with having absolutely no hockey sense.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Fans also think Julien Gauthier is going to magically form into a sure fire NHL player even with having absolutely no hockey sense.

I think it’s more about recognizing that whoever claims that spot is playing 8 minutes a game, there really isn’t a PP or PK slot available. The one exception to that might be if Wahlstrom wins the job, I could see him claiming the last spot on the Nelson PP

 

[LeapOnOver]

Isles seem to be one of the last teams making wavier decisions. You've got time...use it

 

[seafoam]

Isles seem to be one of the last teams making wavier decisions. You've got time...use it

They are waiting for every possible team to set their roster so they have a better chance at getting their guys through.

An NHL roster is not comprised of the best players. It's all about the contracts the players are not. Engvall is on a six year deal and will not be waived for that reason alone. He can get outperformed time and again but his contract ensures a spot.

Waiving Engvall vs. Gauthier actually saves them more space on Monday. Also, no one is going to claim Engvall, if he needs a stint in the AHL to remind him how to properly play, I don't see the problem with that.

There's a large contingent of posters on here who are not happy with Engvall's total game, maybe Roy agrees and it actually willing to convince Lou to hold him accountable.

 

[SI90]

Screen machine. Russian Anders Lee. Sippy taking over the captains office

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[MikeyMike01]

Screen machine. Russian Anders Lee. Sippy taking over the captains office

https://x.com/i/web/status/1842353071369654771

T-pose to assert dominance