Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

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TOI for the D:

Pulock - 22:52
Romanov - 22:04
Pelech - 21:53
Dobson 19:13
Mayfield - 16:47
Aho - 14:17

Lowest ice time for forwards:

Martin - 10:08
Fasching - 11:00
Cizikas - 12:45
Clutterbuck - 13:12

So, they need to try some different options at RW on the 3rd line (Wahlstrom, Gauthier and maybe even an AHL option at some point).

And if Lou makes a deal, maybe it's for a 3rd pair LHD.
 
TOI for the D:

Pulock - 22:52
Romanov - 22:04
Pelech - 21:53
Dobson 19:13
Mayfield - 16:47
Aho - 14:17

Lowest ice time for forwards:

Martin - 10:08
Fasching - 11:00
Cizikas - 12:45
Clutterbuck - 13:12

So, they need to try some different options at RW on the 3rd line (Wahlstrom, Gauthier and maybe even an AHL option at some point).

And if Lou makes a deal, maybe it's for a 3rd pair LHD.
Lou is not making a deal. In the current cap landscape, I'd be very surprised if there are more than a trade or two between now and the deadline.

The 3rd line RW will alternate between said three players until Lambert finds one he likes.
 
TOI for the D:

Pulock - 22:52
Romanov - 22:04
Pelech - 21:53
Dobson 19:13
Mayfield - 16:47
Aho - 14:17

Lowest ice time for forwards:

Martin - 10:08
Fasching - 11:00
Cizikas - 12:45
Clutterbuck - 13:12

So, they need to try some different options at RW on the 3rd line (Wahlstrom, Gauthier and maybe even an AHL option at some point).

And if Lou makes a deal, maybe it's for a 3rd pair LHD.
Its also worrying if the 4th line continues to struggle, I'd really consider Gauthier or Wahlstrom at this point.
 
Lou is not making a deal. In the current cap landscape, I'd be very surprised if there are more than a trade or two between now and the deadline.

The 3rd line RW will alternate between said three players until Lambert finds one he likes.
Obviously it was just one game, but if Aho/Bolduc regularly get only 14 mins TOI per game I think there will be a trade at some point to get a LHD - even if it's at the TDL.
 
To follow up on my "like EDM" reply, I don't disagree that the PP is important. I also agree that the team could use a dynamic defenseman who is dangerous on the PP (I've been saying that since when we had Toews and Leddy) and a skilled LH forward for the right boards on the PP would also help.

But your posts in general IMO discount building from the net out (goal, D and C), focusing on team defense and toughness. Instead you seem to see the only path being hitting Lotto on a few super-skilled guys. Hence the "like EDM" crack, since they have probably two of the top 5 forwards in the league and a PP that is perennially at the top of the league. And they've accomplished squat.


I don't discount anything. We just happened to be discussing the PP at that moment.

Many times I've discussed how valuable Sorokin is...And what a shit show the Isles would be without him.

Everything affects everything. Sometimes you can capture lightning in a bottle and ride Binnington to a Cup and sometimes Adin Hill is good enough because the team is stronger.

Edmonton has 2 historically generational players that fell into their lap because of how terribly they've been run the past 15 years. And they have been so poorly built - Especially given those 2 players. They have drafted so incredibly horribly and thus they have been chasing the goalie and defense positions...And overpaying to fill them in.

There's no reason to compare us to, or focus too much on, Edmonton. Every team has their own unique path. The Hawks were *lucky* enough to get the #1 overall pick when Bedard was the clear choice...If they got the #1 overall in 2024 it wouldn't mean as much. We have to figure out what will get the Islanders to a championship.

In terms of the Isles they have Sorokin and then its everyone else. Sure Horvat and Barzal are nice players, but when I look at Cup contenders they usually have 2-3 top-end players, and more talent overall.

To me the Isles have an average lineup overall and the runs in 20-21 were a combination of that, but mostly due to having the best coach on the planet. Those runs were so special to me and I'll never forget them, but we need to face a new reality now. Our hall of fame coach is gone and to me what's left is an average team that people still falsely think has hope to win a Cup. This team is older and the coaching isn't there anymore to cover up some notable holes on the roster.

We need to make some changes and I don't think ownership/management is making them. I think the metaphor weas perfect when Brandan announced on Saturday, "No player on the roster is making their Islander debut in 2023." Whether or not you believe what I'm saying now, at some point this team will truly be too old to compete and will need to get younger. And if you believe that Lou will shift to do that, or even knows how since he literally never has, then we believe different things.
 
Who would the isles consider as a deadline move to improve the blueline? Because I have to wonder if Lamoriello's patience wears thin for Dobson. His defense hasn't even come close to developing.
 
Who would the isles consider as a deadline move to improve the blueline? Because I have to wonder if Lamoriello's patience wears thin for Dobson. His defense hasn't even come close to developing.
Anyone you want to bring in would cost more than $4 million per for 2 years. Fanciful thinking at this point.

I swear, if we went 15-0 to start the season, we'd be nit-picking something. He's 23 years old, chill out!
 
Anyone you want to bring in would cost more than $4 million per for 2 years. Fanciful thinking at this point.

I swear, if we went 15-0 to start the season, we'd be nit-picking something. He's 23 years old, chill out!
Lou will trade Dobson and everyone will be happy. Then 3 years later when he's a top pairing D man and wins the cup elsewhere, we will point to how impatient Lou is.
 
I agree. People need to be a little more patient with Dobson. What is he? 23 Years old?

Patience is fair, but 2 things...

1) At some point "being patient" is actually ignoring that a player isn't making any progress. I am NOT saying that is the case with Dobson, but just making the point that patience cannot last forever.
2) Dobson really was better in the past so it feels like he's taken a step back. It's not a problem if a player takes years to reach his potential, but you just want to feel like he's making constant progress until he does.
 
Lou will trade Dobson and everyone will be happy. Then 3 years later when he's a top pairing D man and wins the cup elsewhere, we will point to how impatient Lou is.
It’s possible, but Toews has always been better than Dobson (although Toews entered the NHL at like 24).
 
Patience is fair, but 2 things...

1) At some point "being patient" is actually ignoring that a player isn't making any progress. I am NOT saying that is the case with Dobson, but just making the point that patience cannot last forever.
2) Dobson really was better in the past so it feels like he's taken a step back. It's not a problem if a player takes years to reach his potential, but you just want to feel like he's making constant progress until he does.

If he takes a step back, then yeah he needs to hear it. But until then, what can be done?
 
I was going to ask. In Lambert's presser he spoke about Aho's ability to play RD. A pairing of Bolduc-Aho :facepalm:. No doubt Lou has to bring in more depth, not only to offset injuries, but an upgrade on Aho.
Bolduc Aho against the Coyotes is going to make me go nuts, but if they win then whatever. We need to get George and Odelius here ASAP. Its why I just HATE that Anaheim drafted Mintyukov even more.
 
Bolduc Aho against the Coyotes is going to make me go nuts, but if they win then whatever. We need to get George and Odelius here ASAP. Its why I just HATE that Anaheim drafted Mintyukov even more.

You're talking about prospects though, I wouldn't feel much more comfortable with either of those three.

They need a 3rd-pairing in prime D man who can complement Mayfield this season.
 
You're talking about prospects though, I wouldn't feel much more comfortable with either of those three.

They need a 3rd-pairing in prime D man who can complement Mayfield this season.
Alright who are we going to get now? Hutton? There is almost no depth in the NHL. This stupid salary cap is pressuring us to either use Bolduc/Aho, or die to the hounds. Its absolutely absurd.
 
Alright who are we going to get now? Hutton? There is almost no depth in the NHL. This stupid salary cap is pressuring us to either use Bolduc/Aho, or die to the hounds. Its absolutely absurd.

The Athletic recently put out an article with the best waiver pickups. Based on their scouting reports, there were a few intriguing 3rd pairing D men. The names slip me, but talent is out there.
 
I don't really understand the massive concern about Aho, beyond that Mayfield will generally see additional shifts while Aho is sheltered, but one can say much the same for many bottom pair D around the league. Making a claim for a D would mean NYI is giving up on Bolduc, because some other team would give him a chance given his physical talent. NYI may eventually have to take such a chance (or move Bolduc), but they don't yet. Aho has defensive deficiencies due to his lack of size, and strength. But at least he has fire in his belly, a bit of creativity, and makes generally correct decisions. It's not a burning need - at least not until there's a major injury. And even then, I think it's Bolduc who is more likely to be moved.

I do think NYI need a better depth option on defense, but not nearly as badly as they need productive wingers. It's not close.
 
We keep worrying about Aho, Bolduc, here and there . . . looking for solutions that DON'T EXIST . . . just like so many other teams deal with. It's about playing well in the playoffs if you want to win a Cup.
The Panthers went to the finals last year as the 8th seed (if I'm not mistaken, one of Lou's NJ teams WON the Cup as an 8th-seed) and Boston's historic year went up in flames in Round 1!
What team has a better bottom pair than Mayfield-Aho? Name names.
This team might struggle to make the playoffs, might make them easy or might get racked with injuries and fall away.
That's not a function of who is the LHD 3rd-pair.
We were spoiled with Pelech, Toews and Leddy. That isn't happening 99% of the time in this league with the current Salary Cap.
Lord, let the season play out for 25 games first.
 
We keep worrying about Aho, Bolduc, here and there . . . looking for solutions that DON'T EXIST . . . just like so many other teams deal with. It's about playing well in the playoffs if you want to win a Cup.
The Panthers went to the finals last year as the 8th seed (if I'm not mistaken, one of Lou's NJ teams WON the Cup as an 8th-seed) and Boston's historic year went up in flames in Round 1!
What team has a better bottom pair than Mayfield-Aho? Name names.
This team might struggle to make the playoffs, might make them easy or might get racked with injuries and fall away.
That's not a function of who is the LHD 3rd-pair.
We were spoiled with Pelech, Toews and Leddy. That isn't happening 99% of the time in this league with the current Salary Cap.
Lord, let the season play out for 25 games first.
Panthers made a run with JOSH MAHURA on their 3rd pair lmao
 
We keep worrying about Aho, Bolduc, here and there . . . looking for solutions that DON'T EXIST . . . just like so many other teams deal with. It's about playing well in the playoffs if you want to win a Cup.
The Panthers went to the finals last year as the 8th seed (if I'm not mistaken, one of Lou's NJ teams WON the Cup as an 8th-seed) and Boston's historic year went up in flames in Round 1!
What team has a better bottom pair than Mayfield-Aho? Name names.
This team might struggle to make the playoffs, might make them easy or might get racked with injuries and fall away.
That's not a function of who is the LHD 3rd-pair.
We were spoiled with Pelech, Toews and Leddy. That isn't happening 99% of the time in this league with the current Salary Cap.
Lord, let the season play out for 25 games first.

Other teams have better top pairing guys so they should have lesser pieces on the bottom. The Islanders don't have that luxury. Similar issue on offense too. They need multiple lines and pairings that are similar in skill level in order to have success.

Aho and Bolduc are also both supposed to bring offense and they don't really do that well. There are better offensive guys on the back end that could be had who might be worse defensively but would help the PP or there are guys who are steadier off the glass and out types that won't provide any offense. I'd prefer either of those options to at least Aho at this point.
 
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