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In theory that's exactly the kind of move they should be doing.
However the problem is that Lou will probably overpay by 20% as he does in trades and still wind up with a non-impact player.
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In theory that's exactly the kind of move they should be doing.
However the problem is that Lou will probably overpay by 20% as he does in trades and still wind up with a non-impact player.
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Can we see how the next few months unfold before we jump to any conclusions?
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Agreed - Severson and Provorov supporting Werenski and Jiricek is a very solid move. Also, add Leo Carlsson to their F group.
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Columbus beefing up their D corp and this mention from EF makes me think about a potential trade between these 2 teams -
Laine for Nelson? Marchenko and Peeke for Nelson? Laine and Peeke for Nelson and Wahlstrom ?
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The first suggestion is a complete misunderstanding of both the market for Laine and for Nelson.
Laine is no longer the 44-goal guy he was in his sophomore season, now 5 seasons removed.
Nelson has spent two straight seasons showing himself to be among the top 20 centers in hockey.
The second suggestion is even worse. You are aware that Peeke had 13 points and a -41 in 80 games this season, right? The novelty of a Cy Young award-winning rookie doesn't come close to remedying the poor value relation here.
I won't even touch the final suggestion.
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Fact of the matter is, if Nelson is a player this team decides to move, he's going to have to bring back no less than the return that Vancouver got for Horvat, I'd say even more. A tall, rangy, 3-zone sniper up the middle is a rare, rare commodity.
Some had suggested along the way Newhook and a 1st rounder. That would be an underpayment. There'd have to be a third considerable piece involved. Something like Bowen Byram.
That's a heavy cost, but if there's no taker out there willing to pay that price, then you keep arguably your most consistent and effective offensive player who is also homegrown thru and thru.
You never undersell with your strongest possible trading piece.
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No. This is the internet. We must jump to conclusions, assuming the worst, and then complain non-stop about all those conclusions.
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I can't see Lou moving Nelson, but if one really has the future in mind and wanting a quick retool, then it is possibly the best way forward. It's not one I want, because I think Nelson is integral to this team, but if they can get a deal like the one you're proposing (Newhook, Byram, 1st) then the retool is on, big time.
Of course you don't do a deal like that without a real plan, a master plan, for going forward. I would say it is...interesting, but only if there is a true plan for going forward.
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If we look at a plug like Pukestad we are heading back to the days of PM Bouchard and Peter Regan .. not good
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Considering how bad the center market is, I would look to see if Pageau has an asking price
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The key to free agency is not giving out huge contracts to middling players but rather finding these guys like Domi, Verhague, Bennett, Reinhart, etc who are going to be available cheap or by trade to get.
Lou is going to have to be active like he was year one with this franchise signing multiple players who played key roles for this organization. Horvat was not enough to get this team over the hump. I would like to see them let Mayfield walk in favor of a smoother skating defenseman.
Lou is going to have to be active like he was year one with this franchise signing multiple players who played key roles for this organization. Horvat was not enough to get this team over the hump. I would like to see them let Mayfield walk in favor of a smoother skating defenseman.
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But he likely returns a quarter of the quality two-way minutes that Pageau does. At least that is where Bjugstad’s recent career norm has been. Last year was a bit of a revival… as he was facing falling out of the NHL and is pretty staunchly now in a journey man status.
Maybe the Isles should consider getting a cheap fourth line center, bump Czikas up to third and try Pageau and Nelson as two-way top six wingers. See how it works, and revisit trading either at the deadline.
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Maybe sign Acciari. He could probably be had for under 2mil
Here's some comparisons:
GP G A P FO% BLK HIT TKA GV
Bjugstad 78 17 12 29 47.8 44 168 33 31
Acciari 77 14 9 23 53.8 81 244 33 13
Czikas 81 6 15 21 53.4 58 188 35 28
I had it spaced out nicely, don't know why it didn't show that way lol
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If the Isles move Nelson, a move that would make some sense for both teams would involve Nelson and Toews. But, I kind of like the idea of moving JGP and going with Barzal, Nelson and Horvat as 1a, 1b and 1c at C and roll 3 offensive lines.
I would love Acciari, but only as a Clutterbuck replacement. With their cap the way it is, if they want to improve the D and the top 6, Acciardi would be a luxury they probably can't afford (unless Cal can't continue, and maybe not even then).
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I hope you are correct about Nelson's value.
I am taking into consideration that Nelson will be 32 and Laine is in his mid 20's and signed for an extra season. A Nelson for Laine swap is intriguing to me.
Peeke's value at 2.75 as a RH shot D man is good value, especially if Mayfield goes above 5. I am not sure WHY you are throwing out his point production or +- when he sees no PP time and was on the worst team in the league with subpar goaltending all season.
Also, the Horvat package was not a very good return for the Canucks - I think most of us were pumping Raty's value.
The most likely scenario would be there is NO deal for a Nelson, then I would move Nelson to Barzal's wing and then find a crafty and highly skilled wing with speed to play with Horvat and Lee.
Just off hand, I'm not all too sure about Domi (who's been traded at least 3 times), but of the guys you mentioned, Verhaeghe has been the only real UFA find of sorts. He's also the only one who had to toil for many years in the minors before arriving on the scene in the right place at the right time in the NHL.
Both Bennett and Reinhart have only ever been under contract with the team that drafted them and then traded them to the Panthers, with whom they're now playing for the Cup.
Point is, you "find these guys" in the draft, not as guys unearthed via free agency.
But I think you're point is that the Isles really need to find themselves a guy on the UFA market nice and cheap who ends up having a Verhaeghe-like impact over several seasons.
That doesn't happen much.
Dunno if you get much luckier/more fortunate than winding up with a Fasching?
I’m not ready to go there with Hudson Fasching yet. Let’s see what he does with 82 games in the NHL.
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People complain about Barzal and than try to move him for Laine. Laine is one of the most frustrating players in the league. All the talent in the world but hes a lazy player that doesnt seem to care. I want nothing to do with Laine.
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