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Nepotism, and the fact that even with all the years and contacts his father has he’s been nothing more than the GM of Bridgeport. Also, Brent Thompson is somehow still the coach down there.
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doublechili
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Not sure about the rest of you, but when CAR traded for Brent Burns at 37 years old I was wondering what the heck they were doing. But the guy is an impact player, and with the 1/3 salary retention by SJ he's actually a bargain for what he brings to them.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
Karlsson is so bad defensively and is really high risk offensive guy. I think having him and pairing him with a Pelech for example would be impact for us especially on the PP but the contract, his age and what we’d need to give up just doesn’t make any sense for us I’d believe.Not sure about the rest of you, but when CAR traded for Brent Burns at 37 years old I was wondering what the heck they were doing. But the guy is an impact player, and with the 1/3 salary retention by SJ he's actually a bargain for what he brings to them.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
Thompson is a good Ahl coach, he’s not a nhl coach but all the players who end up here come up well prepared. Success as far as wins and losses is all a factor of roster and how long your good players stay down there.
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The guy has 101 points but was still a -26. One word, liabilityNot sure about the rest of you, but when CAR traded for Brent Burns at 37 years old I was wondering what the heck they were doing. But the guy is an impact player, and with the 1/3 salary retention by SJ he's actually a bargain for what he brings to them.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
periferal
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Not sure about the rest of you, but when CAR traded for Brent Burns at 37 years old I was wondering what the heck they were doing. But the guy is an impact player, and with the 1/3 salary retention by SJ he's actually a bargain for what he brings to them.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
Even if the Sharks retained 50% of Karlsson's remaining contract, the Isles couldn't afford him (both against the cap or in a trade).
periferal
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In fairness the Sharks have been a mess the past 4 seasons culminating with being the 4th worst team in the NHL this season.
It's Karlsson then Couture/Hertl, and then basically nothing else. He's on an Island so I have little doubt on a playoff team/Cup contender that +/- would be much improved.
LeapOnOver
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LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
Doesn't really sound like a lot of evidence.
Nepotism isn't a reason not promote someone. The Islanders didn't draft Parise or Thompson...avoiding nepotism killed them here, lol. As far as him not taking any other GM jobs that can be easily explained away as him wanting to continue to learn and work with his father rather than go out on his own. He may have never applied for other GM jobs or turned down inquiries. As mentioned before, Thompson isn't a terrible AHL coach. He's average.
I don't know much about Chris L, but none of those sound like reasons to be against him getting an NHL GM job with the Isles.
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I'd give this core (with additions) another run next year. I said about 2-3 years ago that their window was 2-3 years, and I stand by that. If they can add a goal scorer, e.g. Tank, and a two-way D man, they can be a playoff contender. A tall order, not impossible. I'd also bring in a better coach, Lambert is avg. Given the scarce talent on this team, they need better than 'avg.' leadership. With that said, if they fall short next year, hang on to that 1st. Whether they succeed or fail (subjective in itself), I'd start the transition next off season.
A mini-rebuild, only sell off certain parts (the old), e.g. Nelson, Lee, Cizikas, etc. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. I would not rebuild this offseason. You have a Vezina-pedigree goalie, just entering his prime, and enough talent in their prime to keep the younger core together, *even beyond next offseason. I wouldn't do a tear-down rebuild either. Besides having an elite goalie, I've said it once, and I'll say it again (and again), they are not fail-safe. A lot of variables have to go right, some of which are out of the organization's control. The onus will be on drafting well in all rounds.
They gave the team likely coming out of the East a strong series. That's with a rusty Barzal, a No-Show Bo, and Sorokin's B game. If they peddle pretty much the same exact roster, they'll likely be a bubble team. A healthy team going into the playoffs could put them in a position to go on a run. Again, with some augmenting, this team could go from a hopeful, to a contender. Perhaps not Cup contender, but 'win a few rounds' contender. JMO.
A mini-rebuild, only sell off certain parts (the old), e.g. Nelson, Lee, Cizikas, etc. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. I would not rebuild this offseason. You have a Vezina-pedigree goalie, just entering his prime, and enough talent in their prime to keep the younger core together, *even beyond next offseason. I wouldn't do a tear-down rebuild either. Besides having an elite goalie, I've said it once, and I'll say it again (and again), they are not fail-safe. A lot of variables have to go right, some of which are out of the organization's control. The onus will be on drafting well in all rounds.
They gave the team likely coming out of the East a strong series. That's with a rusty Barzal, a No-Show Bo, and Sorokin's B game. If they peddle pretty much the same exact roster, they'll likely be a bubble team. A healthy team going into the playoffs could put them in a position to go on a run. Again, with some augmenting, this team could go from a hopeful, to a contender. Perhaps not Cup contender, but 'win a few rounds' contender. JMO.
I vote Greg "The Nose" Picker For GM. He knows this team well and knows our system and all prospects very well too.
This would be such a great move. The canes are a budget organization but absolutely know how to unearth undervalued gems. This is the opposite of what Lou does with a heavy handed approach to roster building and never looking to save on the cap. The Canes have basically perfected the type of team the Isles want to build.
Malkin are Ledecky have to be smarter than just handing over the reins to Chris. Islander fans are already furious by the teams roster. Add nepotism to the mix, and you'll have pretty poor season ticket renewal results.
It's time to move on from Lou. The last two seasons have been unacceptable in terms of roster building.
Doshell Propivo
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It's an absolutely idiotic take to just assume that Chris "sucks." No one here knows shit about whether or not he would be a successful NHL GM. I'm with you. I have no opinion about him. But if he had a different last name, I bet many of those claiming how horrible he is would be singing a different tune.
Personally, I think that if the Islanders move on from Lou, an established NHL GM with experience to replace him would make most sense. If/when the Isles embark on a rebuild, I'd welcome a neophyte to "learn on the job" and maybe have some innovative ideas. Someone with similar credentials as Chris L.
doublechili
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I agree with the gradual approach. I'm not sure whether Lou is the one to pull it off though. Just looking at Cap-Friendly, the long-term contract guys are Sorokin (assuming he will extend), Barzal, Horvat, Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Romanov, plus kids. Most of the vets have 1-3 year timelines. Act to move some of them if possible, or maybe more likely swap them out for someone else's problem (that's a better fit). Otherwise, get that PP defenseman and swap in speed on the wings and then either let contracts expire or move vets with value as they get to their last year or two.
Well, plenty of players who wear the Islander jersey, both as full-timers and as fill-in options, have spent considerable time under his tutelage in BPort.
An AHL coach's primary duty is to develop your guys to play in the NHL.
Look around the AHL and you'll notice, there aren't a lot of coaches that have his track record in this department.
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I don’t believe Thompson has done a great job at developing players with talent, especially offensive talent. You’re welcome to disagree.
And I do.
I'd suggest that anyone who wants his/her assessments to be taken seriously has to tread carefully when claiming what you're claiming about a man who developed 66% of our NHL team's top 6 and 80% of its top 8 on the blueline. Heck, the other two are guys he never got to work with.
Probably his most successful developmental job on the blueline now earns his paycheck in Colorado.
Or wait, perhaps you don't classify any of these guys as players with talent?
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Taking a close look, not a single "offensive talent" Thompson has worked with failed here only to make it elsewhere. There's not a single example. Some like to say "But, but, but Carter Verhaeghe". But did Carter fail under Thompson? Quite the contrary. He was doing just fine under Thompson. Snow simply traded him for another asset he wanted. Then Verhaeghe needed 6 more seasons to become an offensive threat.
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I think this belief of yours is based primarily on the fates of Dal Colle and Ho-Sang, likely the most notable offensive talents he's gotten to work with here as far as draft pedigree is concerned. In light of where both are now, and how incredibly little they've achieved since leaving the Islanders organization, it looks like he squeezed water out of stone to even get them into NHL consideration in the first place.
But I understand. Any real top talent we get will go straight to the NHL, so until either an absolute nobody or a top offensive prospect spends 1-3 whole years under Thompson only to become a scoring success in the NHL, we'll have no proof that he can develop players "with talent".
I guess that's how some see it.
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Ironically, as much as there are those who say Thompson can't develop forwards (of which there are many out there), we've just recently seen each of Holmstrom, Raty, and Durandeau becoming NHL options under his tutelage in the course of this past season while Dufour is coming off a very promising first year of pro play. This part of his work is still unfolding itself.
Or will Thompson continue to have a bad rap with the fan base because, say, the Koivulas and Iskhakovs of the world aren't become scoring sensations for this organization?
IslesNorway
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How do you judge an AHL GM actually? It's nigh on impossible to tell what kind of job he's doing as all the signings are made by the NHL GM, and he is pretty much working with what is given him. Chris L might be a huge talent in the GM world, for all I know, but he should not be given the job to succeed Lou because he's his son. That kind of nepotism belongs in organization with no intention of winning anything.
Also a General Manager at that level also does a lot more running business operations outside of just managing the roster/contracts.
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Looking at the two teams last night and three defenseman that were traded for relatively little. Burns- would have been unattainable I guess based on caphit but wouldn't that have been nice. Marino - he had a good season and was added for not much. The Ghost- would have likely helped our anemic offense.Not sure about the rest of you, but when CAR traded for Brent Burns at 37 years old I was wondering what the heck they were doing. But the guy is an impact player, and with the 1/3 salary retention by SJ he's actually a bargain for what he brings to them.
Which brings me to Karlsson. I said before that I don't think there's a player in the league who, based on what we saw this year, would fill a bigger hole on the Isles. But then I see that he's 32 and has a huge contract and had a couple of off seasons. So I have big second thoughts. But then I see Burns and have third thoughts.
The Canes dismantling of the Devils perhaps gives a little perspective to our series.
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Friedman on 32 thoughts today said that former NHL business exec John Collins is expected to join the Islanders organization on the business side of things, but as of right now he doesn’t envision any changes to management on the hockey ops side.
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I’m a huge Pelech fan. But that third period was the worst roll-over job I have ever seen from this team. That includes that game 7 against Trotz and Washington.
Of all players, Pelech’s “seemingly” unforced lobs out of the zone stood out in that debacle.
Of all players, Pelech’s “seemingly” unforced lobs out of the zone stood out in that debacle.
this is probably little better represenation based on percentage since Pelech plays a lot, not saying he was good though.
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