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periferal

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This conversation is a waste of time. The Islanders did not have a 115 point asset to offer in a deal last season.

Yes. I know this. Was just a hypothetical to simply consider whether or not we maximized assets/cap space with Horvat.

And your original point was questioning whether or not I thought Tkachuk was “special.” Hopefully you digested the rest of my reply and got the point that he is.
 
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Yes. I know this. Was just a hypothetical to simply consider whether or not we maximized assets/cap space with Horvat.

And your original point was questioning whether or not I thought Tkachuk was “special.” Hopefully you digested the rest of my reply and got the point that he is.

We did, as of the day the trade was made.

Hotttest scorer in the league, best forward seemingly available at the time.

Gave up a player who was determined to be floundering, a 1st and a B+ prospect.
 
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Relax Kimosabe.

Tkachuk was always special, but I didn't think he could single-handedly put the entire listless Panthers franchise on his back and lift their annually lackluster asses into a legit Cup contender.

And you say Tkachuk was coming off a 104 point season...? Huberdeau was coming off a 115 point season.

And the Flames got a 1st round pick. It's either going to be in 25 or 26 (if it's a lottery pick in 25).


And now ask yourself this...

Would you rather have Tkachuk at 9.5M a year....Or Horvat at 8.5M?
The listless Panthers franchise that won the President’s trophy last year without him?
 

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Every franchise has this discussion regarding rebuilding. It's all nonsense. If you have to rebuild, you rebuild. There are teams that cannot avoid it: Philly is one. The only thing worse than rebuilding is being mediocre with aging forwards that are not exciting to watch. Isles brand of hockey is only watchable if they are winning. When this team loses, with the way they play, it is unwatchable. The reason is lack of high end talent.

It usually takes franchises too long to decide to rebuild. Isles aren't there yet, but they have to get younger and cheaper at certain positions. The team is stale. The team has very little offensive swagger and the defensive game has eroded. You simply cannot rebuild with an elite goaltender either.

The best way for the Isles to inject some much needed skill into the lineup immediately is by trading Sorokin (probably). The UFA market stinks this year. I'm not sure what the trade market holds. The Isles can retool by discarding many of the high priced aging players on the roster (Pageau, the entire 4th line, maybe Palmieri). The other players are simply not tradable because of the term.

Making decisions to keep fans in the seats never works out: see Vancouver, Philly, etc. Most fans are ok with a rebuild if done correctly. The Isles don't need one yet. But they need to start understanding that the league is getting younger, more skilled, and faster. If they don't adjust, the rebuild will be forced upon them. Worst thing a team can be is old, slow, boring, and not winning. Right now the Isles are a borderline playoff team. A purgatory of sorts. Something has to give.
Fair points. Regarding the bolded, fans will will watch winning teams. Period. Having an "exciting" team that loses games 6-5 and is in last place will not put butts in seats. Especially for a team like NYI with such a small fan base.

You might, but after seeing where those guys got us I’d be hoping for better.
Sure. We'd all be hoping but the draft being a crap shoot is reality.

Yes. I know this. Was just a hypothetical to simply consider whether or not we maximized assets/cap space with Horvat.

And your original point was questioning whether or not I thought Tkachuk was “special.” Hopefully you digested the rest of my reply and got the point that he is.
Disappointed. Only used the term "asset" once.
 

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The listless Panthers franchise that won the President’s trophy last year without him?

Or the same Panthers franchise that, in the past 3 weeks, is about to double they're playoff series wins they had over the past decade?

Also take a moment to break down the Flames between last year and this year with/without Tkachuk.

Not sure why we're trying to undermine the value of one of the most unique competitors in the sport, but alas...Here we are.
 

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Or the same Panthers franchise that, in the past 3 weeks, is about to double they're playoff series wins they had over the past decade?

Also take a moment to break down the Flames between last year and this year with/without Tkachuk.

Not sure why we're trying to undermine the value of one of the most unique competitors in the sport, but alas...Here we are.
What a way to fill this thread with posts about “I’m not wrong”

Most of us understand the talent that Tkachuk is. YOU were the one saying the deal was an overpayment. now that you see the light you are trying to educate us on how special he is.

And your hypothetical is such a reach.
 
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What a way to fill this thread with posts about “I’m not wrong”

Most of us understand the talent that Tkachuk is. YOU were the one saying the deal was an overpayment. now that you see the light you are trying to educate us on how special he is.

And your hypothetical is such a reach.
They're not winning the cup anyway.
 
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I am really wondering if all this silence by the isles is a signal of a regime change coming. Maybe they are targeting a new GM from a team that has yet to be eliminated? Maybe Lou helps pick his successor, and rides off into the sunset.
 

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I am really wondering if all this silence by the isles is a signal of a regime change coming. Maybe they are targeting a new GM from a team that has yet to be eliminated? Maybe Lou helps pick his successor, and rides off into the sunset.
I think Lou is taking time off to think about his future.
 

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They're not winning the cup anyway.
The Panthers as 8th seed or 15 or 16th seed overall look good and have a chance though. I know it’s all about winning the cup and no one is satisfied unless their team wins the cup, but there is no simple formula to winning it all. You can dominate all year long and be gone in 7 games. There are a lot of factors and anyone who gets into the tournament can win it

The Isles may not be so far off based on what I am seeing from Carolina. Would they have beaten the Bruins, probably not, but you never know.

I think the key is the Isles powerplay and the questions are:

1) Is fixing the powerplay, whatever it takes, enough to win it?
2) What changes are needed to fix the powerplay

I will be watching this summer to see if the Isles will be addressing this issue that is plaguing them for years.
 

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The Panthers as 8th seed or 15 or 16th seed overall look good and have a chance though. I know it’s all about winning the cup and no one is satisfied unless their team wins the cup, but there is no simple formula to winning it all. You can dominate all year long and be gone in 7 games. There are a lot of factors and anyone who gets into the tournament can win it

The Isles may not be so far off based on what I am seeing from Carolina. Would they have beaten the Bruins, probably not, but you never know.

I think the key is the Isles powerplay and the questions are:

1) Is fixing the powerplay, whatever it takes, enough to win it?
2) What changes are needed to fix the powerplay

I will be watching this summer to see if the Isles will be addressing this issue that is plaguing them for years.
Oh I know. I am being facetious. A lot of posters here think there is one path and one path only: tank, accumulate picks and then you will be in a position to dominate the regular season and playoffs for years to come. If you are a mediocre WC bubble team you are simply treading water and delaying the inevitable rebuild. Because... You're not winning the cup anyway...

Florida looks damn good.
 
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Oh I know. I am being facetious. A lot of posters here think there is one path and one path only: tank, accumulate picks and then you will be in a position to dominate the regular season and playoffs for years to come. If you are a mediocre WC bubble team you are simply treading water and delaying the inevitable rebuild. Because... You're not winning the cup anyway...

Florida looks damn good.
Or you hope to be the St Louis Blues. Get a hot goalie to carry you on a magic carpet ride to a championship, then never be heard from again.
 

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Oh I know. I am being facetious. A lot of posters here think there is one path and one path only: tank, accumulate picks and then you will be in a position to dominate the regular season and playoffs for years to come. If you are a mediocre WC bubble team you are simply treading water and delaying the inevitable rebuild. Because... You're not winning the cup anyway...

Florida looks damn good.
It's about chemistry. Florida has it right now. The Canes as well. The West, I really don't care or know. Anyway, LGI! Fix this PP and get back in the horse race.
 

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Or the same Panthers franchise that, in the past 3 weeks, is about to double they're playoff series wins they had over the past decade?

Also take a moment to break down the Flames between last year and this year with/without Tkachuk.

Not sure why we're trying to undermine the value of one of the most unique competitors in the sport, but alas...Here we are.
I’m not. He’s a great player, but your obsession with him is not warranted.
 
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Or something in between. :)
Somewhere along the way that will require young, cost-controlled talent. Since Lou fell in love with the core in 2021 and kept running them back each season since, it has become increasingly difficult for him to trade in and out the players he needed to surround those core players with. As @JPIsles18 is intimating, a rebuild will have to be undertaken because the only way for the Isles to get those kind of players will be by drafting them. Nobody is trading young talent for the vets Lou would like to make available.
 
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Or you hope to be the St Louis Blues. Get a hot goalie to carry you on a magic carpet ride to a championship, then never be heard from gain.
Could have been different if Kadri doesn't destroy Binnington in the second round in 2022.
 

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Could have been different if Kadri doesn't destroy Binnington in the second round in 2022.
Life is full of what ifs.

What if Dale Hunter didn’t destroy Pierre Turgeon? What if Shayne Corson didn’t destroy Michael Peca?
 

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Life is full of what ifs.

What if Dale Hunter didn’t destroy Pierre Turgeon? What if Shayne Corson didn’t destroy Michael Peca?
Neither of those teams was winning the cup anyway.

Do you think he's pacing around his pool?
LOL I was going to say that as well. :)

He's going to announce shortly where he is taking his talents.
 
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If the Rags winning the draft lottery twice in a short period wasn’t fishy enough, Chicago winning right after Kane and Toews depart is just icing on the cake

Totally 100% random

I said it the other day...

The NHL Draft Lottery might be totally legit...But the NHL keeps doing things that sure make us question whether or not it is.
 
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