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Satan'sIsland81

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I think those that play or have played hockey understand how hard it is to play with a player like Barzal. Don’t get me wrong, the guy has a huge arsenal of skill but I almost believe that he feels he needs to hold the puck 90% of his shift for him to feel it was productive and that can drive players crazy trying to get somewhere so he can dish it off only to find when you get there he’s circling back for another look. We need to remember this team made the playoffs without him just showing you that he’s more show than go. I think if we can find the right package, it should be looked at and we need to find another home for Lee as I see some teams needing a player like him
Sorry but I completely disagree with this. Barzal had two goals, both at very important moments, in the 6 games. Could he have done more, yes, but anybody being fair could see his conditioning was not 100% and he did not look entirely like himself with his skating and edge work and stickhandling. He had been injured for two months and these were his first games back.
On the other hand, Horvat, Pageau, Lee and Parise, basically 4 of our 7 most important offensive contributors COMBINED for 2 goals in the series. Parise and Pageau had ZERO. The only guys who really deserved praise for the series as a whole were Palmieri and Pulock, who were both phenomenol, and to a slightly lesser extent Nelson. That is it.
 

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*Lee - Horvat - Barzal
??? - Nelson - *Palmieri
??? - Pageau - Wahlstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck
??? - Holmstrom

Pelech - Pulock
Romanov - Dobson
??? - ???
Aho

Sorokin
???

PP 1
Nelson
Barzal Horvat ???
Dobson

PP 2
Lee
Wahlstrom Pageau Palmieri
???

PK F units
Pageau - Horvat
Cizikas - Clutterbuck
Nelson - Holmstrom
PK D
Pelech - Pulock
Romanov - ???

* Palmieri - IMO, they should explore the possibility of moving Palmieri to gain the cap space or at the very least see if there is a hockey trade that can happen that addresses a need somewhere else.

* Lee - moving Lee out of the top PP unit or at the very least dropping him to logging top 9 minutes versus top 6.

Possible -
Johnston - waived
Bailey - traded with 2024 2nd
 
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I think Lou is coming back and I certainly don't think he's creative enough to pull off any sort of hockey trades involving core pieces, so this is what I'd like to see going into next year:

First off, I'd like to see the entire coaching staff fired. The assistants should go without saying with how bad the special teams were. Lane, while I don't necessarily think he's a bad coach, with the window we have to win I don't think he's the guy to get us over the hump in the next few years. I'd bring in Laviolette- he's known for quick turnarounds.

For the forwards, I think Bailey realizes he's done as an Islander and calls it quits (wishful thinking perhaps) and Lou finds a way to LTIR Clutterbuck. Parise also retires and Engvall/Fasching are re-signed. Holmstrom and Durandeau become full time NHLers, providing a little injection of youth and speed. I think this will be a make or break year for Wahlstrom too- he'll be qualified and given a lot of opportunity to really show the organization what he is. That leaves us with this:

Wahlstrom-Horvat-Barzal
Engvall-Nelson-Palmieri
Lee-Pageau-Holmstrom
Durandeau-Cizikas-Fasching
Martin

On defense, I think we let Mayfield walk and bring in an adequate PPQB- my controversial top choice would be seeing if we could get DeAngelo out of Philly with some retention, or just sign Gostsbehere. We also sign a cheap stay at home bottom pair LD to shelter with Dobson and knock Aho back down to 7D. A Brian Dumoulin type. This would also allow us to reunite Pelech and Pulock. That leaves us with:

Pelech-Pulock
Romanov-Deangelo/Gostisbehere
Dumoulin-Dobson
Aho

OR

Romanov-Pulock
Pelech-DeAngelo/Gostisbehere
Dumoulin-Dobson
Aho


Finally, Varlamov comes back 2yrs/2m per to back up Sorokin and that's the team.
 
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The “stellar” comment was sarcasm, my stock and trade.

There’s a middle ground between pushing the chips in the middle and a retool fire sale.

Moving Mayfield and Varly at the TDL would’ve likely netted us 2 second round picks. Maybe even a late first for Mayfield though maybe not even a second for Varly. I didn’t see this squad making a serious run so that would’ve been solid asset management in my eyes.

It was a missed opportunity for a team that’s woefully thin on assets. It wouldn’t have been a big haul but you’ve gotta start somewhere.

Mayfield was less realistic than Varlamov I think, because he played every day.

As for the bolded, I suspect it'll start now or next deadline. Whether Lamoriello is kept or not will be telling though. Letting an 80 year old continue to run the team seems like a recipe for disaster since there doesn't seem to be a succession plan in place. He will keep going for a cup or bust since he's not going to be around to see the end of a rebuild.
 

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If not going rebuild, is there any chance they can trade one of Nelson (or Horvat) for Towes and one of Rodrigues or Newhook? With Horvat, Isles needs to retain 1.5 m on the contract. Avs will need a 2nd line center to replace the production of Kadri. Towes will solve Isles PP problem I hope and add more 5-5 goal production. Avs was interested in Horvat before Isles acquire him. Horvat is more suited to play 2nd line center.
 
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While some may not want to admit it the sudden death of Josh Bailey's ability to play hockey is another reason why this team did not advance past round one. This is a guy who had 33 points over the last two playoff runs who seemingly didn't exist this season.
 

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While some may not want to admit it the sudden death of Josh Bailey's ability to play hockey is another reason why this team did not advance past round one. This is a guy who had 33 points over the last two playoff runs who seemingly didn't exist this season.
Shouldn’t matter, the Islanders paid handsomely for Horvat.

Lamoriello needs to go, he’s made mistake after mistake and they can’t keep going unchecked or rationalized.

He essentially paid the following
Toews
2022 1st -> 13th overall
2023 1st
Leddy, which turned into a 2021 2nd, which turnd into Räty
2021 2nd
2022 2nd
2023 3rd

for…

Horvat
Romanov
Isaiah George
Cap Space

AND THEN protected Clutterbuck and Martin in the expansion draft, while making the team significantly worse.
 

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Bailey, Clutterbuck, Martin, Pageau, Palmieri all have to go to make room for younger players. Not to mention that no UFAs should be resigned either except maybe Fasching and Parise, who'll play for peanuts.

Better start the turnaround now.
I disagree about Palmieri. He was one of the most consistent forwards on the team in the playoffs. In the right deal, if there's a worthwhile return, then sure. But not looking to dump him. The others - okay.
 
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Shouldn’t matter, the Islanders paid handsomely for Horvat.

Lamoriello needs to go, he’s made mistake after mistake and they can’t keep going unchecked or rationalized.

He essentially paid the following
Toews
2022 1st -> 13th overall
2023 1st
Leddy, which turned into a 2021 2nd, which turnd into Räty
2021 2nd
2022 2nd
2023 3rd

for…

Horvat
Romanov
Isaiah George
Cap Space

AND THEN protected Clutterbuck and Martin in the expansion draft, while making the team significantly worse.

I mean I cannot kill him for Toews. COVID made many cap situations brutal around the league. What else was supposed to be done at that time regarding Toews? Getting rid of Leddy was not an option that offseason. Nobody wanted him. That is how bad the cap situation was around the league.

Dangling Eberle at the expansion draft was the right move. I do not think Bailey would have been taken and the Islanders needed the cap space.

The Islanders paid a fair price for Horvat. Raty is the same player who had 2 goals in 15 NHL games this season. He lacks elite skating ability (which is what everyone is raving about where the Islanders should be going). He traded a mid first round pick and Beauvillier. That is a fair price for a 70 point two way center.
 

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I mean I cannot kill him for Toews. COVID made many cap situations brutal around the league. What else was supposed to be done at that time regarding Toews? Getting rid of Leddy was not an option that offseason. Nobody wanted him. That is how bad the cap situation was around the league.

Dangling Eberle at the expansion draft was the right move. I do not think Bailey would have been taken and the Islanders needed the cap space.

The Islanders paid a fair price for Horvat. Raty is the same player who had 2 goals in 15 NHL games this season. He lacks elite skating ability (which is what everyone is raving about where the Islanders should be going). He traded a mid first round pick and Beauvillier. That is a fair price for a 70 point two way center.
This

It’s easier to write history when you see the results. There was a lot of nuance to Toews /Leddy/after covid cap moves than people seem to remember
 

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If the cap does increase, then options open up to add to the top 6 via free agency (cough Tarasenko).

IMO, I’d like to see a bold move this summer OR ride what we have until 2025 off-season where the draft and free agency classes are stronger.

Nelson for Rossi and Minny’s 2023 1st

Or

Nelson for Snuggerud and Blues 2023 1st (the Rags pick)
 
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If the cap does increase, then options open up to add to the top 6 via free agency (cough Tarasenko).

IMO, I’d like to see a bold move this summer OR ride what we have until 2025 off-season where the draft and free agency classed are stronger.

Nelson for Rossi and Minny’s 2023 1st

Or

Nelson for Snuggerud and Blues 2023 1st (the Rags pick)

Trading Nelson has to signify a rebuild/retool. I am not totally against that, but if you are trading Nelson you may as well look into all the veterans including Sorokin.

I think a better move would be to try and move JGP, roll 3 strong centers. Find a way to offload Bailey and Clutterbuck. Would open enough cap space to go out and resign Engvall and find another top 6 winger.
 
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Trading Nelson has to signify a rebuild/retool. I am not totally against that, but if you are trading Nelson you may as well look into all the veterans including Sorokin.

I think a better move would be to try and move JGP, roll 3 strong centers. Find a way to offload Bailey and Clutterbuck. Would open enough cap space to go out and resign Engvall and find another top 6 winger.
Moving Nelson signifies a retool NOT a rebuild… because you are getting young players and then the cap space to spend.

A Nelson trade goes along with a free agent signing, say Tarasenko.

Lee - Barzal - Tarasenko
Rossi - Horvat - Palmieri
Holmstrom - Pageau - Wahlstrom
 

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I'm glad the season is over for one simple reason; this season was on Lou. Now we know what his threshold is.

While some of the minor moves he made were impactful, the Horvat one was not bad, but badly timed. For a player that was obviously going to get traded, Lou should have made that trade in the summer. It might have prevented the team from wasting it's tank fighting for a playoff spot.

So, as much as I respect him, and truly appreciate what he's done for the franchise, he needs to go.

I'm not going to get into Lambert, because he was ok, which is more than most 1st year coaches do.

As for the roster, well we know Bailey is done. Wether he is benched, traded, or retires, he won't be a regular, and that's a plus.

My plausible move for next year, is trade JGP. I love the guy, he's a good player with tones of intangibles, but this team cannot afford to have a 5mil third line center. It's that simple. Trade him for picks, or prospect, it doesn't matter. Freeing up the cap space is worth it.

My impossible dream move, get rid of Lee at all costs. I said this when he signed, and I'll say it again, what a waste of cap space. He is not a top 6 player, period. Yet he's getting top six money. And to those who will say, "but he scores", so did Moulson. Doesn't make them high echelon players, it just means they are a one trick pony.

If they had a legit 5mil player instead of Bailey, and a legit 7mil player instead of Lee, not only would they still be in it, but a Cup would not be out of the question.

The rest of the roster I'm fine with...
 
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Nobody was talking about this team being stellar. It was all about how Lamoriello already pushed the chips in the middle and with Sorokin it makes sense to give it a run. That's it.

And now what? Reassess and decide who stays and who goes. Same as always.


Well of course this, but....

1. They basically have no one to trade (without adding assets).
2. Lou only knows how to go all in, so he won't deal a roster player unless the cap/expansion draft forces him to.

Basically the same team is coming back next season because Lou has created a situation where there are almost no options.
 

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Moving Nelson signifies a retool NOT a rebuild… because you are getting young players and then the cap space to spend.

A Nelson trade goes along with a free agent signing, say Tarasenko.

Lee - Barzal - Tarasenko
Rossi - Horvat - Palmieri
Holmstrom - Pageau - Wahlstrom

I just dont think the lineup could improve if you take Nelson out. Id like to see them move JGP. I think he would be easy to move, and it opens up cap space to improve the top 6. Hypothetically you can add a Tarasenko if you move JGP and Bailey.

Holmstrom-Barzal-Tarasenko
Engvall-Nelson-Palms
Lee-Horvat-Wahlstrom
 
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Well of course this, but....

1. They basically have no one to trade (without adding assets).
2. Lou only knows how to go all in, so he won't deal a roster player unless the cap/expansion draft forces him to.

Basically the same team is coming back next season because Lou has created a situation where there are almost no options.

I cannot stand this level of carelessness from you. Lou only knows how to go all in yet he is the one who rebuilt Toronto.
 

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What do we think about trading Bailey, Nelson, and Pageau?

Lee-Barzal-Holmstrom
Engvall-Horvat-Palmieri
Durandeau-Cizikas-Wahlstrom
Parise-X-Clutterbuck
Bellows :sarcasm:, Martin
 

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I just dont think the lineup could improve if you take Nelson out. Id like to see them move JGP. I think he would be easy to move, and it opens up cap space to improve the top 6. Hypothetically you can add a Tarasenko if you move JGP and Bailey.

Holmstrom-Barzal-Tarasenko
Engvall-Nelson-Palms
Lee-Horvat-Wahlstrom
That is an exciting top 9, but I hate losing Pageau’s defensive play down the middle - and call me old school but I hate that the team wouldn’t have a RH C.

A Pageau deal could land a late 1st rounder in 2023 Avalanche possibly?

Canucks are looking for exactly what Pageau brings. Oilers as well.
 

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That is an exciting top 9, but I hate losing Pageau’s defensive play down the middle - and call me old school but I hate that [b{the team wouldn’t have a RH C.[/B]

A Pageau deal could land a late 1st rounder in 2023 Avalanche possibly?

Canucks are looking for exactly what Pageau brings. Oilers as well.
Barzal?
 
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