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I'm not sure how Lou will remove Bailey and his contract from this team.

I'm not sure a buyout makes sense.

I'm not sure what the ramifications of burying him in Bridgeport would be, or if Lou would ever do that to a guy that had the career path with this franchise that Bailey has had.

I'd hate to see this team have to give up more draft picks to find a taker, but hey, it's very possibly the route Lou takes.

Although I can see Varlamov staying on a team-friendly deal, moving Bailey to a team that is looking to swap out a back-up goalie who is fairly capable, but making too much for their taste, looks like a possiblity.

The one benefit remains that Bailey's cap hit (5 MM) is higher than the actual dollars (3.5 MM) a team will have to pay for him.

Is there such "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" type of partner out there for Lou to find for the Bailey contract dilemma?
I agree wholeheartedly regarding Lou not burying him in Bridgeport. Hell, I’m far from a Bailey fan but even I wouldn’t do that to the guy.

If it’s one thing that we’ve learned about Lou over the years is that he respects and is loyal to his vets.
 

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I'm not sure how Lou will remove Bailey and his contract from this team.

I'm not sure a buyout makes sense.

I'm not sure what the ramifications of burying him in Bridgeport would be, or if Lou would ever do that to a guy that had the career path with this franchise that Bailey has had.

I'd hate to see this team have to give up more draft picks to find a taker, but hey, it's very possibly the route Lou takes.

Although I can see Varlamov staying on a team-friendly deal, moving Bailey to a team that is looking to swap out a back-up goalie who is fairly capable, but making too much for their taste, looks like a possiblity.

The one benefit remains that Bailey's cap hit (5 MM) is higher than the actual dollars (3.5 MM) a team will have to pay for him.

Is there such "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" type of partner out there for Lou to find for the Bailey contract dilemma?
Mrazek for Bailey
Cal Peterson for Bailey - Peterson has an extra year.
Driedger for Bailey
Murray for Bailey

For D -
Bailey for Zaitsev (Zaitsev makes more $ and has a 2m bonus) - emotionally easier to bury.
Bailey for Nemeth (Nemeth makes more $)
Bailey for Scandella
Bailey for Myers
 

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Mrazek for Bailey
Cal Peterson for Bailey - Peterson has an extra year.
Driedger for Bailey
Murray for Bailey

For D -
Bailey for Zaitsev (Zaitsev makes more $ and has a 2m bonus) - emotionally easier to bury.
Bailey for Nemeth (Nemeth makes more $)
Bailey for Scandella
Bailey for Myers

How about Bailey to LTIR? Unfortunately, he simply looks physically done. Full body scan during the exit interview and get the doctor sign-off.
 
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Guys like Engvall and Fasching contributed greatly to the second half surge. Of course the Pelech comeback was imperative, but the depth in the bottom six and consistency of them played such a large role.

It makes me think of a guy like Wahlstrom. From an organizational perspective I am now slotting in players like Durandeau, Fasching, Engvall, Parise, and Palmieri ahead of Wahlstrom.

I'm not saying I would trade him for pennies on the dollar, I'm not saying he won't ever be a 30 goal scorer we envisioned, but I am saying his spot should not be guaranteed. If you cannot produce in a top six position when the players above have had better runs in those positions than you should not have a guaranteed spot on the team.

On the defensive side they need to hope that their young defenders take the next step. For all of the hate Dobson gets he has made some sweet offensive plays as of late. The stretch pass to Nelson against Tampa and shot from the point last night are prime examples of the talent he has. Romanov has really continued to show up defensively in a more calm and defensive system.

Pelech and Pulock are going to have to play the role of top pairing guys for the next couple of years minimum. There is no reason why they cannot. Health worries me slightly on Pelech as this team collapses when he is not in the lineup.

Mayfield should walk. Varlamov should walk.

Bolduc has the potential to have a very bright future in the NHL. He is huge, a fantastic skater, has been invisible defensively aside from some mishaps, and should be given the opportunity next season to run the PP2 unit at the very least.
 

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If Calgary over corrects and looks to move Lindholm, then that should be a target. Albeit, another center.
He is a great target but IMO, Sutter goes and Trev. Goes too. New coach and GM come in don’t do too much to roster - lots of talent on that g team and with Markstrom they are win now team

Guys like Engvall and Fasching contributed greatly to the second half surge. Of course the Pelech comeback was imperative, but the depth in the bottom six and consistency of them played such a large role.

It makes me think of a guy like Wahlstrom. From an organizational perspective I am now slotting in players like Durandeau, Fasching, Engvall, Parise, and Palmieri ahead of Wahlstrom.

I'm not saying I would trade him for pennies on the dollar, I'm not saying he won't ever be a 30 goal scorer we envisioned, but I am saying his spot should not be guaranteed. If you cannot produce in a top six position when the players above have had better runs in those positions than you should not have a guaranteed spot on the team.

On the defensive side they need to hope that their young defenders take the next step. For all of the hate Dobson gets he has made some sweet offensive plays as of late. The stretch pass to Nelson against Tampa and shot from the point last night are prime examples of the talent he has. Romanov has really continued to show up defensively in a more calm and defensive system.

Pelech and Pulock are going to have to play the role of top pairing guys for the next couple of years minimum. There is no reason why they cannot. Health worries me slightly on Pelech as this team collapses when he is not in the lineup.

Mayfield should walk. Varlamov should walk.

Bolduc has the potential to have a very bright future in the NHL. He is huge, a fantastic skater, has been invisible defensively aside from some mishaps, and should be given the opportunity next season to run the PP2 unit at the very least.
Who are u replacing Mayfield and Varlamov with - look over the free agent market not many good options out there.

I would resign both and try to move Palmieri and Bailey to upgrade the F’s.
 

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He is a great target but IMO, Sutter goes and Trev. Goes too. New coach and GM come in don’t do too much to roster - lots of talent on that g team and with Markstrom they are win now team


Who are u replacing Mayfield and Varlamov with - look over the free agent market not many good options out there.

I would resign both and try to move Palmieri and Bailey to upgrade the F’s.

I dont want anything to do with resigning Mayfield. I hope he goes out west and gets a huge contract, but IMO he wont age well.

It wont happen but I would love to move Lee and Bailey. Opens up a good amount of cap space to get a 1st line winger.
 
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Guys like Engvall and Fasching contributed greatly to the second half surge. Of course the Pelech comeback was imperative, but the depth in the bottom six and consistency of them played such a large role.

Both look like keepers.

It makes me think of a guy like Wahlstrom. From an organizational perspective I am now slotting in players like Durandeau, Fasching, Engvall, Parise, and Palmieri ahead of Wahlstrom.

This was a lost season for Wahlstrom. And sadly so.

When things kicked off, I felt one of Lambert's biggest jobs this year was to find out what Bellows and Wahlstrom mean to this franchise moving forward.

At the moment, neither are playing a role. Notice how there was never any official word about what happened with Wahlstrom?

Likely ACL, based on the "walking around with a knee brace" reports.

I'm not saying I would trade him for pennies on the dollar, I'm not saying he won't ever be a 30 goal scorer we envisioned, but I am saying his spot should not be guaranteed. If you cannot produce in a top six position when the players above have had better runs in those positions than you should not have a guaranteed spot on the team.

I think the franchise still sees him as a player who we need to find out about before he's moved.

But keeping Fasching and Engvall will mean things are getting tight.

On the defensive side they need to hope that their young defenders take the next step. For all of the hate Dobson gets he has made some sweet offensive plays as of late. The stretch pass to Nelson against Tampa and shot from the point last night are prime examples of the talent he has.

He has 6 assists and a +5 over the past 4 games.

Amazing, I know.

Romanov has really continued to show up defensively in a more calm and defensive system.

Biggest loss right now. If he's done for the season, we're likely to have a much earlier PO exit. He had come in his own more than any other player over the past 25 games.

Mayfield should walk. Varlamov should walk.

I'm holding out hope that Mayfield is retained. Guys like him don't grow on trees.

His overall body of work is too important to this team.

It feels like the back-up goalie position has to be something this team finds a way to save mucho $$$ on. Is keeping Varlamov for 2.5 MM less than he has been earning the kind of true savings we should be aiming for?

Or is taking on another team's unwanted back-up in exchange for Bailey the way to kill two birds with one stone?

Bolduc has the potential to have a very bright future in the NHL. He is huge, a fantastic skater, has been invisible defensively aside from some mishaps, and should be given the opportunity next season to run the PP2 unit at the very least.

I'm not just writing this because of last night, but the man doesn't have a second gear at the moment. And that's scary, because this game is becoming more and more of a skating man's game.

At least with Aho and Salo, we've seen "jump" in their game. Bolduc hasn't been displaying that.

So, when his reach isn't good enough, we'll be having problems.

That he seems to get the puck on the net regularly from the point is, on the other hand, a very, very good thing.

There's potential. But the team has surely learned that there's a need to have Bolduc work with a skating coach this summer.
 
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Bellows was a critical contributor….to get cap space and a roster spot. Him getting claimed allowed for someone like Fasching to step up and he did vs. relying on the ‘former first round pick come on prove to us why you were drafted in the first round’ clogging up a roster spot with legit dead weight.
 

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Bellows was a critical contributor….to get cap space and a roster spot. Him getting claimed allowed for someone like Fasching to step up and he did vs. relying on the ‘former first round pick come on prove to us why you were drafted in the first round’ clogging up a roster spot with legit dead weight.

Bellows has the better shot, but Fasching is everything I hoped Bellows would become. He can't even make the Flyers lineup on a consistent basis. It is my understanding that the team told Bellows that while he still has a shot at making the team, they'd waive him to give him another chance to get another opportunity somewhere else if he wished or he would have returned to Bridgeport.

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As for Bolduc...remember, he's still 22 (23 in Dec) which I just learned that we share the same birthday...haha. I'd give him another 2 years of brewing in the A before he gets a more full time call up.

I want Aho on PP1. He's had WAYY more experience in the pros as a PP1 QB...Dobson may be more skilled, but what we are lacking now is creativity. With Barzal out of the lineup, it's even worse. Maybe we do what other teams do and leave PP1 out there for 1.5 min instead of splitting 50/50 like we do now. Aho with Dobson can work...I just want Lee out of there.
 

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Engvall and Fasching have been bright spots for sure.
I have been encouraged about what I have seen from Holmstrom as well.
I also am not ready to throw in the towel on someone like Wahlstrom.

IMO, Palmieri is the one I would like to see moved out... he also has done a good job rebuilding his value - not to get anything back necessarily, but to at least be moved without his 5m being onerous to the acquiring team. If they can somehow free themselves of that contract and move that cap space to someone like Tarasenko or Bertuzzi or hell both - I think that team would be a legit contender.

Moving out Bailey is imperative to resigning someone like Engvall or Bertuzzi. I really like Engvall's speed, but I need to see more than just this sample size. I also believe that Bertuzzi would fit perfectly into this team's style and is someone who can put the puck into the net.

Fasching has been a great story and I hope Isles resign, but I don't see him as a long-term fit, maybe as a replacement for Cal. He has been a great story this year and if he doesn't sign with Isles, then I hope someone gives that man a payday.

Ideally, I would like to see -
Barzal - Horvat - Tarasenko
Lee - Nelson - Bertuzzi
Parise - Pageau - Wahlstrom/Holmstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck/Fasching

The cap would need to go higher than 83.5 for something like this to happen.

I also would like to note that the 2024 offseason does see Matthews, Nylander, and Jake Guentzel all as UFAs
 

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Ideally, I would like to see -
Barzal - Horvat - Tarasenko
Lee - Nelson - Bertuzzi/Palmieri
Parise
- Pageau - Wahlstrom/Holmstrom
Martin
- Cizikas - Clutterbuck/Fasching/Johnston

The cap would need to go higher than 83.5 for something like this to happen.

Honestly, if Engvall and Fasching are retained, I don't see any additions up front short of trades.

The bolded guys are already signed, Wally is coming back, Holmstrom is ready for more (and another step up), and then it looks like Dufour and Iskhakov have just got to become topics of some sort next season.

Bailey is the only player I see Lou finding a spot for somewhere outside of our roster.

I also would like to note that the 2024 offseason does see Matthews, Nylander, and Jake Guentzel all as UFAs

I've always felt that particularly Nylander could one day be an Islander.

And he comes across as the kind of player who knows he could do some magical stuff with the likes of Barzal and Horvat.

Should those guys hit the market, it'll be an interesting summer.
 
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Guys like Engvall and Fasching contributed greatly to the second half surge. Of course the Pelech comeback was imperative, but the depth in the bottom six and consistency of them played such a large role.

It makes me think of a guy like Wahlstrom. From an organizational perspective I am now slotting in players like Durandeau, Fasching, Engvall, Parise, and Palmieri ahead of Wahlstrom.

I'm not saying I would trade him for pennies on the dollar, I'm not saying he won't ever be a 30 goal scorer we envisioned, but I am saying his spot should not be guaranteed. If you cannot produce in a top six position when the players above have had better runs in those positions than you should not have a guaranteed spot on the team.

On the defensive side they need to hope that their young defenders take the next step. For all of the hate Dobson gets he has made some sweet offensive plays as of late. The stretch pass to Nelson against Tampa and shot from the point last night are prime examples of the talent he has. Romanov has really continued to show up defensively in a more calm and defensive system.

Pelech and Pulock are going to have to play the role of top pairing guys for the next couple of years minimum. There is no reason why they cannot. Health worries me slightly on Pelech as this team collapses when he is not in the lineup.

Mayfield should walk. Varlamov should walk.

Bolduc has the potential to have a very bright future in the NHL. He is huge, a fantastic skater, has been invisible defensively aside from some mishaps, and should be given the opportunity next season to run the PP2 unit at the very least.
If Varly is willing to re-sign cheap, I’d bring him back. Otherwise generally agree
 

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Honestly, if Engvall and Fasching are retained, I don't any additions up front short of trades.

The bolded guys are already signed, Wally is coming back, Holmstrom is ready for more (and another step up), and then it looks like Dufour and Iskhakov have just got to become topics of some sort next season.

Bailey is the only player I see Lou finding a spot for somewhere outside of our roster.



I've always felt that particularly Nylander could one day be an Islander.

And he comes across as the kind of player who knows he could do some magical stuff with the likes of Barzal and Horvat.

Should those guys hit the market, it'll be an interesting summer.

Dubas having Matthews and Nylander hitting UFA in one year will be fascinating to watch. I mean maybe Toronto drops off a Brinks truck full of money to extend Matthews but, if he really wants out, he is going to get paid wherever he wants to go.

From there, if it becomes clear that Matthews is walking into UFA, it becomes embarrassing for the Leafs to potentially lose their best player for nothing. But a sign and trade, if Matthews will even be amenable to that, is also tough. I mean you are the "center of the hockey universe" and you can't keep your best player?

Then, on top of all of that, Nylander essentially has all of the leverage because can you really go back to you fanbase and say you could not extend either and lost both?

Dubas is in a BRUTAL spot, and it gets even worse if they are ousted by a seemingly worn down Tampa team. I mean they really need to win it all this year, then try to leverage that to entice Matthews and Nylander to extend.

And then you have Marner up after that and we know Martin and Marner are very close. Should be fun, outside of a plan-the-parade breakthrough for the Laffs, so get the popcorn ready!
 

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I don't envision any additions to the roster this offseason. We'll see how the POs go but at the moment I'm fine with seeing out a full season with Horvat/Barzal and Engvall plus further strides from Romanov/Holmstrom/Bolduc and hopefully a bounce back season from Dobson.

I think all UFAs will be signed with Bailey and a pick being packaged to a bottom feeder. Maybe an off chance Clutterbuck goes to LTIR as well. I also think Wahlstrom will be moved this offseason, several guys have overtaken him and I don't really know where he fits in anymore.
 
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Honestly, if Engvall and Fasching are retained, I don't any additions up front short of trades.
Yeah, I suspect this might be a very, very quiet summer. More likely housekeeping type stuff. If they do anything beyond trying to clear out a guy or two, it might be on defense rather than at forward.
 

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Engvall and Fasching have been bright spots for sure.
I have been encouraged about what I have seen from Holmstrom as well.
I also am not ready to throw in the towel on someone like Wahlstrom.

IMO, Palmieri is the one I would like to see moved out... he also has done a good job rebuilding his value - not to get anything back necessarily, but to at least be moved without his 5m being onerous to the acquiring team. If they can somehow free themselves of that contract and move that cap space to someone like Tarasenko or Bertuzzi or hell both - I think that team would be a legit contender.

Moving out Bailey is imperative to resigning someone like Engvall or Bertuzzi. I really like Engvall's speed, but I need to see more than just this sample size. I also believe that Bertuzzi would fit perfectly into this team's style and is someone who can put the puck into the net.

Fasching has been a great story and I hope Isles resign, but I don't see him as a long-term fit, maybe as a replacement for Cal. He has been a great story this year and if he doesn't sign with Isles, then I hope someone gives that man a payday.

Ideally, I would like to see -
Barzal - Horvat - Tarasenko
Lee - Nelson - Bertuzzi
Parise - Pageau - Wahlstrom/Holmstrom
Martin - Cizikas - Clutterbuck/Fasching

The cap would need to go higher than 83.5 for something like this to happen.

I also would like to note that the 2024 offseason does see Matthews, Nylander, and Jake Guentzel all as UFAs
Matthew’s seems like he’s gonna resign in Toronto unless he’s feeling overshadowed by the Canadian Conor love and wants the love of a team like Chicago, Philly, NYR in the States.
 

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From there, if it becomes clear that Matthews is walking into UFA, it becomes embarrassing for the Leafs to potentially lose their best player for nothing. But a sign and trade, if Matthews will even be amenable to that, is also tough. I mean you are the "center of the hockey universe" and you can't keep your best player?

Thus, the reason why Arizona has been stockpiling all the draft picks.
 
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Both look like keepers.



This was a lost season for Wahlstrom. And sadly so.

When things kicked off, I felt one of Lambert's biggest jobs this year was to find out what Bellows and Wahlstrom mean to this franchise moving forward.

At the moment, neither are playing a role. Notice how there was never any official word about what happened with Wahlstrom?

Likely ACL, based on the "walking around with a knee brace" reports.



I think the franchise still sees him as a player who we need to find out about before he's moved.

But keeping Fasching and Engvall will mean things are getting tight.



He has 6 assists and a +5 over the past 4 games.

Amazing, I know.



Biggest loss right now. If he's done for the season, we're likely to have a much earlier PO exit. He had come in his own more than any other player over the past 25 games.



I'm holding out hope that Mayfield is retained. Guys like him don't grow on trees.

His overall body of work is too important to this team.

It feels like the back-up goalie position has to be something this team finds a way to save mucho $$$ on. Is keeping Varlamov for 2.5 MM less than he has been earning the kind of true savings we should be aiming for?

Or is taking on another team's unwanted back-up in exchange for Bailey the way to kill two birds with one stone?



I'm not just writing this because of last night, but the man doesn't have a second gear at the moment. And that's scary, because this game is becoming more and more of a skating man's game.

At least with Aho and Salo, we've seen "jump" in their game. Bolduc hasn't been displaying that.

So, when his reach isn't good enough, we'll be having problems.

That he seems to get the puck on the net regularly from the point is, on the other hand, a very, very good thing.

There's potential. But the team has surely learned that there's a need to have Bolduc work with a skating coach this summer.
I’m not willing to let Mayfield walk because he had a bad year. As usual it will come down to money. Same with Varlamov, who I think had an excellent season.
 

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Not everyone wants to play where they grew up, so I give a low percentage to that theory he’ll want to go to AZ.

I doubt he is going to Arizona, given all of the arena and ownership issues. But the LA Kings, right as Kopitar churns off the cap at the same time at age 36, that is another matter entirely. I would think the Kings would be tripping over themselves to sign him, as well as teams like Seattle, Vegas, etc. even teams like Tampa, if they want to get involved.
 
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Dubas having Matthews and Nylander hitting UFA in one year will be fascinating to watch. I mean maybe Toronto drops off a Brinks truck full of money to extend Matthews but, if he really wants out, he is going to get paid wherever he wants to go.

From there, if it becomes clear that Matthews is walking into UFA, it becomes embarrassing for the Leafs to potentially lose their best player for nothing. But a sign and trade, if Matthews will even be amenable to that, is also tough. I mean you are the "center of the hockey universe" and you can't keep your best player?

Then, on top of all of that, Nylander essentially has all of the leverage because can you really go back to you fanbase and say you could not extend either and lost both?

Dubas is in a BRUTAL spot, and it gets even worse if they are ousted by a seemingly worn down Tampa team. I mean they really need to win it all this year, then try to leverage that to entice Matthews and Nylander to extend.

And then you have Marner up after that and we know Martin and Marner are very close. Should be fun, outside of a plan-the-parade breakthrough for the Laffs, so get the popcorn ready!
IMO, it won’t be Captain Excel’s problem when he and his coach get shitcanned for their mentally weak team losing to TB again in round one…

I also think Mathew’s will leave and go to LA (or some other non-hockey big market). Less BS, can make his millions and not deal with the 24/7 sports news vultures in TO while dating models and enjoying the weather…
 
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I’m not willing to let Mayfield walk because he had a bad year. As usual it will come down to money. Same with Varlamov, who I think had an excellent season.
Mayfield will show his real value in the playoffs. I think he’ll be our 2nd most important D after Pellech in the playoffs.
 
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Mayfield will show his real value in the playoffs. I think he’ll be our 2nd most important D after Pellech in the playoffs.
Probably, and that Trotz guy played him in all critical minutes when he was the coach so, there’s that fact.

Isles should resign Mayfield, trade Pulock for offense, and backfill with a $2-3M d-man. Pulock is part of the Isles offense problem, especially the PP, and he ain’t worth his payday.

Gotta give to get, let other teams salivate over his glacial windup and popgun accuracy.
 
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