Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

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saintunspecified

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Yeah, man. I think it's going to be pretty bleak.

Why should we think the catastrophic injury situations with the vets (Palmieri, Pageau, Lee, Clutterbuck, Martin) is going to get better instead of worse? I think it will get worse, and I think Nelson should be dealt before he sees the obvious decline those other players are dealing with. I think NYI are going to be baaaad next year. I see a year without pressure as potentially creating opportunities.

At any rate, imo if there's a contract NYI should consider trying to move, even with some cost, it is Palmieri's, not Bailey's, and simply because of '24-'25.
 
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Lame Lambert

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I don't think 1 more year of Bailey is going to move the needle for us one way or another. This team's window is closed and we need a quick retool at a minimum. If Bailey has negative value, just let him play out his final year while we execute a planned rebuild/tool. Palmieri and Lee are much bigger issues at this point.
 
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Josh Bailey offseason plan -

Assuming there are no takers for him if he is waived...
* Trade with Chicago for Jason Dickinson. Dickinson has 1 more year left with a cap hit for 2.65 AAV, but is owed 3.25m. Chicago will need to reach the floor and maybe getting a higher cap hit for less $ is something they would consider.
* Trade with Chicago for Petr Mrazek. Mrazek has 1 year left with a cap hit of 3.85, BUT is owed 4.4 in actual cash. Again, Chicago needs to reach the floor and maybe consider a player with a higher cap for less actual $ AND is someone they could sell at TDL. Isles would then buyout Mrazek... year 1 buyout .867K and then 1.35 the next year.
* Trade with Arizona for Patrick Nemeth. Nemeth has a 1 year deal for 2.5 AAV, but 3.5 of actual $. Thsi is the exact opposite cap situation as Bailey.
* Trade with Arizona for Bryan Little. Little goes on LTIR for Isles and Bailey is a healthy body.
* Trade with Ottawa for Zaitsev. The cap is slightly lower, but if they are not signing Mayfield - Zaitsev could be a decent stopgap.

If the Isles resign Wahlstrom, Mayfield, promote Holmstrom and Bolduc or Salo and do nothing else... The Isles will have a cap hit of roughly 81.5 AAV with only 2 m under the cap. Moving Bailey would make a Tarasenko signing more doable.

If Meier is the case, then moving Bailey and Wahlstrom would be a must.
 

TeamKidd

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What would you like to see as a minimum return for our players?

Nelson - 2023 1st + premium prospect
Beau - 2023 2nd rounder
Mayfield - 2023 1st & another low pick
Varly - 2023 1st or 2 2nds

dont think anyone else we would trade would garner value, maybe parise if he wants to go, unlikely.

are these realistic returns?
 

SI

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Friedman on 32 Thoughts today said that the Isles are still poking around Chychrun.
It makes sense... it then allows them to move Mayfield and recoup a 1st.
In the offseason, they sign a cheaper RHD like Trevor VR or Luke Schenn to man the right side of the bottom pair.

Lou adds Chychrun and then signs a UFA, like Tank. It changes to look of this team for sure.
 

Kevin27NYI

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Clear that the team hurts when Pelech is out, Chychrun bumps Romanov down and he adds an offensive element needed. Then with Dobber down we had no offensive solution.

Very ideal short and long term.

We are forced to add a scoring winger through Free Agency after though. Can’t ship out the resources for both.
 
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The Real JT

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What would you like to see as a minimum return for our players?

Nelson - 2023 1st + premium prospect
Beau - 2023 2nd rounder
Mayfield - 2023 1st & another low pick
Varly - 2023 1st or 2 2nds

dont think anyone else we would trade would garner value, maybe parise if he wants to go, unlikely.

are these realistic returns?
The first one, Nelson, is realistic. Anything more than a late first for Mayfield would be a win. You need to set your expectations lower for the other two.
 

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It makes sense... it then allows them to move Mayfield and recoup a 1st.
In the offseason, they sign a cheaper RHD like Trevor VR or Luke Schenn to man the right side of the bottom pair.

Lou adds Chychrun and then signs a UFA, like Tank. It changes to look of this team for sure.
You think trading for Chychrun wouldn't also cost a 1st rounder though?

We should really be selling and getting some fresh blood in here. Get rid of Bailey, Clutterbuck, Mayfield, Beau, Palmieri, maybe Nelson too. Go after Larkin/DeBrincat/Dubois/Horvat in the offseason, buy low on Bertuzzi/Dumba/etc.

Can't see it happening, but the team needs a facelift.
 
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seafoam

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Clear that the team hurts when Pelech is out, Chychrun bumps Romanov down and he adds an offensive element needed. Then with Dobber down we had no offensive solution.

Very ideal short and long term.

We are forced to add a scoring winger through Free Agency after though. Can’t ship out the resources for both.
I like the idea of…

Pelech-Pulock
Chychrun-Mayfield
Romanov-Dobson

IF NYI is also acquiring a scorer in a seperate deal. I don’t think they would acquire Chychrun and then trade Mayfield, that seems counterintuitive. Plus Chychrun provides insurance if Pelech misses time again.

BUT, I’m not sure I actually want GMLL (who’s in the last year of his deal) making trades, especially when NYI isn’t having success or had success for almost two straight seasons.

I bet Bolduc was getting showcased last night…

I’m not buying it, but it does mean a salary is going back: Beau or Bailey.
Lottery protected 1st, Bolduc, Bailey would be my guess. Knowing Lou, a 2024 1st or 2nd as well….
 

IslesNorway

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What would you like to see as a minimum return for our players?

Nelson - 2023 1st + premium prospect
Beau - 2023 2nd rounder
Mayfield - 2023 1st & another low pick
Varly - 2023 1st or 2 2nds

dont think anyone else we would trade would garner value, maybe parise if he wants to go, unlikely.

are these realistic returns?
Ideally that would be the return, but I'm unsure about Beau's value. I think they'll have to take on a similar contract to get rid.
 

Foppberg

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What would you like to see as a minimum return for our players?

Nelson - 2023 1st + premium prospect
Beau - 2023 2nd rounder
Mayfield - 2023 1st & another low pick
Varly - 2023 1st or 2 2nds

dont think anyone else we would trade would garner value, maybe parise if he wants to go, unlikely.

are these realistic returns?

Realistically ...

Nelson = 2024 1st + decent prospect
Beau = 3rd round pick
Mayfield = 2023 1st
Varly = 2nd or 3rd round pick
 

Kevin27NYI

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I like the idea of…

Pelech-Pulock
Chychrun-Mayfield
Romanov-Dobson

IF NYI is also acquiring a scorer in a seperate deal. I don’t think they would acquire Chychrun and then trade Mayfield, that seems counterintuitive. Plus Chychrun provides insurance if Pelech misses time again.

BUT, I’m not sure I actually want GMLL (who’s in the last year of his deal) making trades, especially when NYI isn’t having success or had success for almost two straight seasons.

I bet Bolduc was getting showcased last night…


Lottery protected 1st, Bolduc, Bailey would be my guess. Knowing Lou, a 2024 1st or 2nd as well….
Gets us back to having a top D and we hit all the defensive types too
 

doublechili

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I like the idea of

Pelech-Pulock
Chychrun-Mayfield
Romanov-Dobson

IF NYI is also acquiring a scorer in a seperate deal. I don’t think they would acquire Chychrun and then trade Mayfield, that seems counterintuitive. Plus Chychrun provides insurance if Pelech misses time again.
Yeah, me too. And I would not be surprised if Lou likes that idea as well. That would be a great D, and I think the offense would get a bump from playing in front of those guys. If Bailey goes the other way the Isles would actually gain a bit of cap space.
 

JJ18Sniper

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"The asking price for Chychrun, per Friedman on his “32 Thoughts” podcast, is two first-round picks plus a package, whether it is two first-round picks or the kind of prospect that basically equals a first-round pick.”

Lottery protected 1st+Bolduc and whatever else I've seen above apparently doesn't come close to their ask. It's also the reason why he hasn't been traded yet! Hell of an ask.

 

duster19

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This current isles group has run its course. Adding Chychrun would be a waste. Isles need goal scoring wings
I mean they need an offensive dman too. It would fill a huge hole. But it’s going to come at a huge cost we just can’t afford. This is the type of move EDM or an equivalent makes. Lou took too long. The window has passed. We need to sell.
 
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