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Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California
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Didn't figure listing him because it's likely Florida, Edmonton, or Ottawa for him.
The Real JT
The crowd called out for more
Heard he had a close shave recently.
Some guy put a bag over his head and beat his head against a wall.
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Lets say Dobson gets 4.25M per on a bridge deal and Romanov gets 3.1M on a 4 year deal (5 year term would walk him to UFA). I don't know if these numbers are realistic, but lets just that they are for the purpose of this exercise.
That would leave NYI with 4.66M in cap space with 20 man roster (still need a 14th forward & and 6th and 7th defenseman). I think it's fair to say something is going to have to give if NYI has any plans of being active in free agency.
Otherwise it's going to be signing Bellows and Salo to league minimums and depth defenseman to a similar price and this is the roster.
That would leave NYI with 4.66M in cap space with 20 man roster (still need a 14th forward & and 6th and 7th defenseman). I think it's fair to say something is going to have to give if NYI has any plans of being active in free agency.
Otherwise it's going to be signing Bellows and Salo to league minimums and depth defenseman to a similar price and this is the roster.
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I think you are naive if you think Brazal won't want more money. His next contract will be 8.5-9M per. He won't sign anything under that. And hey if you think he isn't worth it, that's fine but then you are truly, tearing everything down and starting from scratch....that means you are moving Pelech, Poluck too, they are older than him.
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Salo should get as much game time as possible to help him reach his potential. It would have been a massive mistake to sign someone like Hunt who will only block him and ruin his development, IMO.
I’m more than happy with:
Pelech-Dobson
Romanov-Pulock
Salo-Mayfield
I’m more than happy with:
Pelech-Dobson
Romanov-Pulock
Salo-Mayfield
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SI
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You need depth on the blue line - there will be injuries.
I like @seafoam idea of Brad Hunt - I would add Andy Greene as well and let Salo start at BP and by mid season he can be ready to come up - he does not have to pass waivers so extra time at BP will not ruin his development only help him .
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SI
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IMO, it is very likely this is the team moving forward.
I do believe, Lou will make a play for Gaudreau or Forsberg - if they make it to free agency.
If the Isles land either of these players, then Lou will clear salary by moving Bailey and possibly Varlamov.
IMO, I think Forsberg will eventually resign with Preds and Gaudreau moves on (to Philly).
Other Free Agents -
The question here is - DOES LOU think that the rest of the free agents are better than Bailey?
Is 2y/5 AAV for Bailey < or > 5y/5AAV for a Copp, Mikheyev, Rackell, etc.?
My opinion is he doesn't.
TRADE Options -
Laine will resign. Mangiapane will resign. Garland stays.
Leaving 4 possible candidates - IF I've missed anyone, please reply...
Kane
Tarasenko
Miller
Pacioretty
Kane, Miller, and Tarasenko will require 2023 1st (and most likely more for Kane and Miller) as well as Bailey also being moved (either in a separate deal or the same one). Salary retention is required in a Kane deal.
Pacioretty for Bailey deal straight up could be a way for Vegas to keep a solid top 9 with saving 2m in cap.
I would not be shocked if the Isles return the same group of F's and relying on players to bounce back, Beauvillier to find that extra level to his game that Trotz felt he had, Barzal fulfills his promise as a top C in this league, and Wahlstrom finding his consistency.
Another potential trade for a F - Bertuzzi? How much would he cost? Wahlstrom straight up might not be enough? Beau for Bertuzzi?
I do believe, Lou will make a play for Gaudreau or Forsberg - if they make it to free agency.
If the Isles land either of these players, then Lou will clear salary by moving Bailey and possibly Varlamov.
IMO, I think Forsberg will eventually resign with Preds and Gaudreau moves on (to Philly).
Other Free Agents -
The question here is - DOES LOU think that the rest of the free agents are better than Bailey?
Is 2y/5 AAV for Bailey < or > 5y/5AAV for a Copp, Mikheyev, Rackell, etc.?
My opinion is he doesn't.
TRADE Options -
Laine will resign. Mangiapane will resign. Garland stays.
Leaving 4 possible candidates - IF I've missed anyone, please reply...
Kane
Tarasenko
Miller
Pacioretty
Kane, Miller, and Tarasenko will require 2023 1st (and most likely more for Kane and Miller) as well as Bailey also being moved (either in a separate deal or the same one). Salary retention is required in a Kane deal.
Pacioretty for Bailey deal straight up could be a way for Vegas to keep a solid top 9 with saving 2m in cap.
I would not be shocked if the Isles return the same group of F's and relying on players to bounce back, Beauvillier to find that extra level to his game that Trotz felt he had, Barzal fulfills his promise as a top C in this league, and Wahlstrom finding his consistency.
Another potential trade for a F - Bertuzzi? How much would he cost? Wahlstrom straight up might not be enough? Beau for Bertuzzi?
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crashthenet
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Maybe getting up there in age but would be an interesting linemate for Barzal. Still excellent on the draw.
The perfect Lou smokescreen. Anywhere but here
Agreed, perfectly happy with the D as-is. Maybe adding a vet 7D to carry for a playoff run but you can add that on at the deadline.
Romanov was a fine start to the offseason. For me, there are two more holes to fill. We absolutely needed a top 4 young, better skating physical defensive defenseman. We got that. Now we need a puck moving offensive defenseman. Ideally would this be a top level guy of course, but we could live with a Leddy or even if they decide to give Salo a chance to fill this bottom pairing role I could live with it. No more Greenes, no more Charas. And I certainly do not want a guy of the ilk of Brad Hunt brought in rather than just giving a guy like Salo the chance. Finally, we DEFINITELY need a top line scoring winger. After getting Romanov, this is the only MUST HAVE left to address. And I do not want to hear about the salary cap. The Rags have a higher cap than us right now with far more UFAs they have to sign or will be losing and it seems like they are doing everything they can to get Kane or Miller. If they can find a way with salary retained and player movement to add this kind of player, there is absolutely no excuse why we should not be able to.
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I like the right handed shot on Barzal’s wing and the ability to take faceoffs.Maybe getting up there in age but would be an interesting linemate for Barzal. Still excellent on the draw.
The perfect Lou smokescreen. Anywhere but here
I’d be fine with 2 years, 5M per.
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Until Lou makes a player for player trade, I’m not at all optimistic this
Roster changes on the forward side. I’m not even sure he can even move any Expendable forward(s) for picks without retaining salary. His only
Chance was to make a multi player deal but that’s not happening so
I am saying basically what we have is what we will be starting 2022-23
With. I’d like to see them move on from Bellows maybe for Puljarvi and Whalstrom in another move as I don’t see him hitting the heights others
Think he will
Roster changes on the forward side. I’m not even sure he can even move any Expendable forward(s) for picks without retaining salary. His only
Chance was to make a multi player deal but that’s not happening so
I am saying basically what we have is what we will be starting 2022-23
With. I’d like to see them move on from Bellows maybe for Puljarvi and Whalstrom in another move as I don’t see him hitting the heights others
Think he will
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I agree, I think Romanov has the chance to be a stud. It'll also be key to have one of Sorokin's buddies on the blue line.
I just think, similar to most, that the asset management wasn't great. You're trading your 1st on potential. While Romanov is an NHL player now, he's currently not worth a 1st in my opinion.
Meh, I had no doubt about him. He struck me as a Nashville lifer.
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His wife is a country music singer. So staying in Nashville always made sense. But Forsberg and Gaudreau situations feel different. Gaudreau feels more like Tavares.
With that said, wherever Gaudreau signs, should remove Patrick Kane as an option. Because it does feel like Kane will shake loose.
Just conjecture, I have no sources whatsoever.
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Absolutely not. Let Greene ride off into the sunset. He can't skate. He doesn't get to spots.
What's with your fetish about a player for player trade? Is that so Lou can prove his chops to you in a head to head matchup with another GM?
If the team can be improved by swapping picks for players or signing a free agent, hasn't a GM done his job?
Bertuzzi is not an option, Lou won't bring in an unvaccinated player.
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My list is short really, as I have said before I just soon keep the forwards we have if we can't obtain a difference maker, but I basically list the "I am ok with" options in 3 tiers:
Difference Makers:
1. Johnny Gaudreau (Flames)- UFA
2. Filip Forsberg (Predators)- UFA
3. Vladimir Tarasenko (Blues)- trade
4. Patrick Kane (Black Hawks)- trade
5. T.J. Miller (Canucks)- trade
Note: I don't list any others for various reasons. I want no part of Kadri or Giroux because of the contracts they will command (and get) in free-agency, which will be an OVERPAY. I don't list other possible trade target difference makers because it is too unlikely they will be dealt. Unfortunately, I don't see both the top two even getting into free-agency and I would be shocked if 2 of the last 3 are even dealt, but these are without a doubt the "last remaining five" who are difference makers and "could" be available
Top Six Upgrades:
1. Valeri Nichushkin (Avalanche)- UFA
2. Ondrej Palat (Lightning)- UFA
3. Vincent Trocheck (Hurricanes)- UFA
4. Andre Burakovsky (Avalanche)- UFA
Note: It is too difficult to predict what forwards may be available via trade that would be an upgrade over the 7 possible top 6ers we have (Barzal, Nelson, Lee, Beau, Palmieri, Bailey and Wahlstrom) so I only list the meager 4 I would be interested in on the FA market- depending on price. Nichushkin it looks as though Colorado is trying to resign, but of course I would be interested as I think he is just scratching the surface on his potential. Palat isn't a great point scorer but his intangibles would be why I would want him on board, but I doubt he leaves TB. Trochek would have to come super cheap, and his two-way work probably puts us out of his price range; but I list him here just in case and lastly is Burakovky, who I wouldn't want to give more than 4/16 to- so in other words not much here; but these are 4 guys I wouldn't mind switching Bailey with
Add to the Mix:
1. Ilya Mikheyev (Maple Leafs)- UFA
2. Jesse Puljujarvi (Oilers)- trade
3. Ivan Barbashev (Blues)- trade
Note: I am sure there are a few more, and I like to call these "change of scenery" options. These three have been rumored as possibly on the block during the offseason and for different reasons I would have interest. Should SL decide to keep Tarasenko for instance, it might make Ivan available. The thing to note here is I AM NOT trading any of these 6 (Barzal, Lee, Nelson, Beau, Palmieri or Wahlstrom) to obtain them, but rather adding them to our mix already, assuming we move Josh Bailey of course
Those are the dozen forwards I have on my radar, and unfortunately I feel half of them may not even be available. I can almost say with certainty (unless someone else becomes available I am not aware of) I would just soon bring back my same forwards unless I can net one of the top 9 as either the "difference maker" or "replacement" and even then it would come down to price....
Also I am still looking to move Varlamov and get the best asset package I can...
Lastly, although many in here are ok with Salo as the 3rd line LD- we cannot go into the season WITHOUT adding at least one more blue liner, and no it doesn't need to be either senior citizen in Greene or Chara. Our top 4 last season (which yes includes Mayfield) missed over 50 games and we can't have that happen again and be unprepared...
Lou has his work cut out for him for sure.....
Difference Makers:
1. Johnny Gaudreau (Flames)- UFA
2. Filip Forsberg (Predators)- UFA
3. Vladimir Tarasenko (Blues)- trade
4. Patrick Kane (Black Hawks)- trade
5. T.J. Miller (Canucks)- trade
Note: I don't list any others for various reasons. I want no part of Kadri or Giroux because of the contracts they will command (and get) in free-agency, which will be an OVERPAY. I don't list other possible trade target difference makers because it is too unlikely they will be dealt. Unfortunately, I don't see both the top two even getting into free-agency and I would be shocked if 2 of the last 3 are even dealt, but these are without a doubt the "last remaining five" who are difference makers and "could" be available
Top Six Upgrades:
1. Valeri Nichushkin (Avalanche)- UFA
2. Ondrej Palat (Lightning)- UFA
3. Vincent Trocheck (Hurricanes)- UFA
4. Andre Burakovsky (Avalanche)- UFA
Note: It is too difficult to predict what forwards may be available via trade that would be an upgrade over the 7 possible top 6ers we have (Barzal, Nelson, Lee, Beau, Palmieri, Bailey and Wahlstrom) so I only list the meager 4 I would be interested in on the FA market- depending on price. Nichushkin it looks as though Colorado is trying to resign, but of course I would be interested as I think he is just scratching the surface on his potential. Palat isn't a great point scorer but his intangibles would be why I would want him on board, but I doubt he leaves TB. Trochek would have to come super cheap, and his two-way work probably puts us out of his price range; but I list him here just in case and lastly is Burakovky, who I wouldn't want to give more than 4/16 to- so in other words not much here; but these are 4 guys I wouldn't mind switching Bailey with
Add to the Mix:
1. Ilya Mikheyev (Maple Leafs)- UFA
2. Jesse Puljujarvi (Oilers)- trade
3. Ivan Barbashev (Blues)- trade
Note: I am sure there are a few more, and I like to call these "change of scenery" options. These three have been rumored as possibly on the block during the offseason and for different reasons I would have interest. Should SL decide to keep Tarasenko for instance, it might make Ivan available. The thing to note here is I AM NOT trading any of these 6 (Barzal, Lee, Nelson, Beau, Palmieri or Wahlstrom) to obtain them, but rather adding them to our mix already, assuming we move Josh Bailey of course
Those are the dozen forwards I have on my radar, and unfortunately I feel half of them may not even be available. I can almost say with certainty (unless someone else becomes available I am not aware of) I would just soon bring back my same forwards unless I can net one of the top 9 as either the "difference maker" or "replacement" and even then it would come down to price....
Also I am still looking to move Varlamov and get the best asset package I can...
Lastly, although many in here are ok with Salo as the 3rd line LD- we cannot go into the season WITHOUT adding at least one more blue liner, and no it doesn't need to be either senior citizen in Greene or Chara. Our top 4 last season (which yes includes Mayfield) missed over 50 games and we can't have that happen again and be unprepared...
Lou has his work cut out for him for sure.....
and as I type this, we are down to 11...
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Claude “Girwhox”
Forsberg off the market. Marquee names still available…Gaudreau, Miller, Kadri, Tarasenko, Malkin, maybe Kane, Giroux, etc.
I think Lou needs to make a splash.
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