Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Top Corner]

What's with Nelson just not skating anymore? He needs to take a seat in the press box. He's had so many chances to skate past people and just seems to have no desire to up the gear. Frustrating to say the least. Brocktober is a thing of legends....it's no longer a reality.

Misses Trotz ! Seems he might be the only guy that can get consistency from him.
He might be a guy to sell high on now , problem is , he plays center so no one is giving us a better center so the hope would be we can move him & a dead anchor for 2 speedy serviceable players.

 

[MJF]

Hey wait, you can't get them on the last page of the magazines behind the counter that are wrapped in cellophane anymore??


He misses the old voice. He's protesting like some of our guys did at the end of last season by their less than enthusiastic play when it was said Barry lost the room

From the looks of things, the room has escaped Lambert too

Nelson more than any other Islander flourished while Trotz was coach.

 

[Mike C]

To the isles credit they’ve beaten 2 teams they should have though at a minimum they should’ve also been competitive with the Devils instead of being dominated by them.

I tell myself it’s early in the season but a team like the Isles need to beat weaker teams, teams coming off b2b games and teams playing their back up goalies.

Most importantly, they need to crush the Rags.

I feel minus the 3 guys out plus the 2 not on the team anymore, on the 2nd of a back to back facing Brian Elliott, Tampa was a game that should have been won (or at least a tie)

My son (who has a second place tie in the goal competition to my tie for last!) says maybe the Rangers will be tired after tonight.

Ah to be young again!

 

[SI]

Right now, this is about HOCKEY TRADES, not building up and tearing down.

Find a way to change two forwards who are feeders and find two goal scorers. They don't have to be first-liners.

A couple of years back I talked about fixing the 3rd line and adding about 25 goals there and we thought the Pageau/Palmieri trades would do that, and so far that hasn't translated. Or hope the 4th line would be able to chip in another 10 goals too.

Pageau, Palmieri and Bailey have combined for 3 assists TOTAL in 17 games played. Martin and Clutterbuck with 1G each and Casey has no points. And we are happy with their energy, but one was an empty-netter.

SIX total points from those 'bottom 6 forwards' is NOT GOOD ENOUGH from any of them (and Martin has 3 of the 6!). We're 2-4 with them, how much worse would a bottom 6 that includes Raty, Holmstrom and Bellows (we'll give Dufour the AHL exposure for now) be?

Would Vancouver go for Pageau for Boeser? That changes the dynamic. We brag about our center depth . . . yet, as mentioned above, NO GOALS from a center so far this season???

I still think we should see if Cizikas' offense works if he has competent offensive wingers and maybe trading Pageau for a goal scorer gives him the opportunity to prove it.

It's only been 6 games - goal scoring is not linear. Palmieri will get his 20 and Pageau and Parise will get their 15. It's about getting TOP line scoring and someone who feasts on the PP. That is incredibly difficult to get in a trade - Free agency is more likely the route, but the team has struggled to convince players and have the cap space to do so.

So, then it's about upgrading from the likes of Bailey, for example, if it is Meier or Ehlers instead of Bailey.

 

[Mike C]

Misses Trotz ! Seems he might be the only guy that can get consistency from him.
He might be a guy to sell high on now , problem is , he plays center so no one is giving us a better center so the hope would be we can move him & a dead anchor for 2 speedy serviceable players.

We'll all miss Trotz before it's said and done.

Selling high might be wise before high becomes low. Put Casey up the line, bring up a serviceable C or put Bailey on 4th line.

Or just bring up Raty, pat him on the ass and say LET'S GO!

 

[doublechili]

We'll all miss Trotz before it's said and done.

He could be coach again by Christmas. This is Lou after all.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

He could be coach again by Christmas. This is Lou after all.

It's also possible we see Lou behind the bench.

 

[TXNYI]

...and we are bottom 5 in the league after that MIN win. Better come out flying against the Rangers tomorrow.

 

[Mike C]

He could be coach again by Christmas. This is Lou after all.

He could be coach again by Christmas. This is Lou after all.

I'd probably wait until another team came knocking if I were Barry

It's also possible we see Lou behind the bench.

Houda and Johnny Mac are gonna get awfully tired holding him up like those guys who propped up Moses

 

[Lights911]

It's also possible we see Lou behind the bench.

Can the wheelchair fit?

 

[Mike C]

Can the wheelchair fit?

Gonna be great when someone thinks it's grape Gatorade but it's Louie's prune juice

 

[NC 1972]

Curious since Rangers play Colo tonight, if we'll see our 3rd straight backup tomorrow and if so, will we embarrass ourselves for the 3rd straight time

That could very well be the case , after all Halak was once a NYI and I'm sure he's going to bare down.

 

[NC 1972]

Misses Trotz ! Seems he might be the only guy that can get consistency from him.
He might be a guy to sell high on now , problem is , he plays center so no one is giving us a better center so the hope would be we can move him & a dead anchor for 2 speedy serviceable players.

We haven't played 10 games yet and yes we want more from the team and individuals but trading Brock leaves the team with 3 centers lacking size. What ever your opinion might be of Brock having a 6-3 or 6-4 foot center
is difficult to replace and should the team continue this abysmal start look for Lou to quickly move to a more seasoned head coach.

 

[beach]

I'm only interested in acquiring young controllable assets, deadline or not.


There is no buy in. Guys are floating. This team used to be tough to play against...now they're soft.

There's no buy in because they know they're not good. They know LL did nothing to improve the scoring situation. The outcome is already obvious.

 

[Big L]

Curious since Rangers play Colo tonight, if we'll see our 3rd straight backup tomorrow and if so, will we embarrass ourselves for the 3rd straight time

Could be rags backup tonight, and IIRC, Saturday is Colorado second game so might see their backup too.

 

[Mike C]

We haven't played 10 games yet and yes we want more from the team and individuals but trading Brock leaves the team with 3 centers lacking size. What ever your opinion might be of Brock having a 6-3 or 6-4 foot center
is difficult to replace and should the team continue this abysmal start look for Lou to quickly move to a more seasoned head coach.

so, kinda like an old voice, new, new voice type of thing??

not that i would do this if I were Barry but I'd pay someone's season ticket if they did a beer commercial a la George and Billy to announce Trotz rehiring....I mean, I'd do the ad, I just wouldn't come back here

 

[The Real JT]

That could very well be the case , after all Halak was once a NYI and I'm sure he's going to bare down.

 

[TeamKidd]

We haven't played 10 games yet and yes we want more from the team and individuals but trading Brock leaves the team with 3 centers lacking size. What ever your opinion might be of Brock having a 6-3 or 6-4 foot center
is difficult to replace and should the team continue this abysmal start look for Lou to quickly move to a more seasoned head coach.

it's not like nelson plays a big mans game or anything. he's pretty goring-esque in his hitting game.

IF this team is out of contention at the deadline - it's time for a firesale - including Nelson for the right price. Wont give him away, but if we can get a top goal scoring prospect and a good pick, then I pull the trigger. Barzal, Dobson and Sorokin are the only ones I wont trade. I'd trade wahlstrom in the right deal for a play driver, but I doubt he's someone a team would be looking to add at the deadline for prospects...

 

[saintunspecified]

There's no buy in because they know they're not good. They know LL did nothing to improve the scoring situation. The outcome is already obvious.

If professional athletes thought that way, more likely than not they wouldn't have made it to being professional ahtletes.

Players seem to float when they're caught in-between. They have to make a decision e.g., about whether to pursue, or whether take a defensive position. A younger + faster Parise had easier decisions to make, he had the speed + energy to pursue up the ice, and then hound the puck back down if he lost the battle.

Bailey has been making those decisions most of his career. So had Eberle. Eberle, imo, was good at making those decisions, because he understood his limitations. The only way NYI improve here without an influx of talent is for the players to be more decisive. But there is far less room for error/indecisiveness with teams that don't have youth+speed. Palmieri imo has looked completely lost. He's the top-6's biggest problem right now. I feel like Nelson, Lee, and Bailey have the wherewithal to figure it out. Palmieri, and Beavillier... I have doubts about.

 

[MJF]

If professional athletes thought that way, more likely than not they wouldn't have made it to being professional ahtletes.

Players seem to float when they're caught in-between. They have to make a decision e.g., about whether to pursue, or whether take a defensive position. A younger + faster Parise had easier decisions to make, he had the speed + energy to pursue up the ice, and then hound the puck back down if he lost the battle.

Bailey has been making those decisions most of his career. So had Eberle. Eberle, imo, was good at making those decisions, because he understood his limitations. The only way NYI improve here without an influx of talent is for the players to be more decisive. But there is far less room for error/indecisiveness with teams that don't have youth+speed. Palmieri imo has looked completely lost. He's the top-6's biggest problem right now. I feel like Nelson, Lee, and Bailey have the wherewithal to figure it out. Palmieri, and Beavillier... I have doubts about.

Why do you think Palmieri looks lost? To me he’s playing the exact same game since he got to the Islanders—a direct line to the net whenever he can.

I think Palmieri isn’t meshing with Mat Barzal and that’s the main drawback to L1.

 

[saintunspecified]

Why do you think Palmieri looks lost? To me he’s playing the exact same game since he got to the Islanders—a direct line to the net whenever he can.

I think Palmieri isn’t meshing with Mat Barzal and that’s the main drawback to L1.

He's never appeared to fit, and really has not jelled with any line. I'm not talking just about offensive zone play. It's everywhere. He's a direct line to the net or the puck, ruining spacing.

If taking a direct line was the problem, why did Barzal work with Lee, but not Palmieri? What in that description differentiates them? Tbh, I think Lee can make the reads, and Palmieri doesn't.

 

[MJF]

He's never appeared to fit, and really has not jelled with any line. I'm not talking just about offensive zone play. It's everywhere. He's a direct line to the net or the puck, ruining spacing.

If taking a direct line was the problem, why did Barzal work with Lee, but not Palmieri? What in that description differentiates them? Tbh, I think Lee can make the reads, and Palmieri doesn't.

Lee is bigger than Palmieri and doesn't get buried by 2 men like Palmieri does. Barzal also doesn't seem to be able to make the pass to Palms while he's open, or the pass is a little ahead or behind him.

With Lee looking like he's lost another step at this early point int the season I wouldn't recommend going back to what worked in the past with Lee-Barzal-Beauvillier/Bailey. Time marched on.

 

[saintunspecified]

With Lee looking like he's lost another step at this early point int the season I wouldn't recommend going back to what worked in the past with Lee-Barzal-Beauvillier/Bailey. Time marched on.

I agree. It's really hard to know what the answer is. This is why I was receptive about the Kadri idea during the offseason - it would have solved a bunch of problems.

 

[MJF]

I agree. It's really hard to know what the answer is. This is why I was receptive about the Kadri idea during the offseason - it would have solved a bunch of problems.

Fair point about Kadri. His contract demands made him a reach for us. Would have been tough to have his and Barzal's salary on the same books.

 

[saintunspecified]

Fair point about Kadri. His contract demands made him a reach for us. Would have been tough to have his and Barzal's salary on the same books.

For sure. I mean, what we know now is the cost NYI would have had to pay to move Bailey. We didn't know that then.

Thinknig about future strategy, I think NYI are going to have to look to move Bailey & Palmieri (assuming one of the two would be a buy-out), in an aggressive attempt to remake the wings. They can't afford to waste Sorokin's final year under control. If they can't do that, they'll have another hole to fill, and I think it'll spiral into a break-it-down rebuild.