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Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California
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Okay but has Barzal began making fun of the ice conditions in Seattle/Vancouver yet?
seafoam
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Hutton is going to make the team out of camp. I know he's on a three year deal but if god forbid he was claimed, Paul LaDue would be the #4 RD (I literally barfed in my mouth typing that).
I'd wager there's a sense around the league that Hutton still has some upside since he was a four year pro and put in his time in the minors at this point. Former Captain at Miami, size, right handed shot. Compare that to CholoCop who's been through three teams in the last 18 months and was waived by an expansion team. Not to mention NYI has Aho and Salo as left shot defensemen so losing CholoCop wouldn't really hit the depth that hard (not that I think he would get claimed anyway).
Just waive Aho or CholoCop, send Salo down, and keep Hutton for god sake. I can't withstand seeing Paul LaDue in an NHL lineup next season unless he's been crowned a Tank Commander (which if that is the case there are bigger problems to discuss).
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Agreed, I wouldn't want to lose Hutton and think he would be a good fit on teams that either have limited cap space, are looking for a youngish "vet" to log minutes while their true prospects mature elsewhere, etc.
If he is the best of the group AND can play his offhand, he should stick and at least rotate with one of the natural LHDs.
Personally I don't care about anything but keeping the two best players at the NHL level. Earn your spot and get rewarded.
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Hutton will be the seventh I'd guess. He's familiar with the team and has shown to be capable enough in a pinch, no reason to gamble with him.
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Bring back Bode Wilde for more RHD depth? I know he seems persona non grata with Lou and you don't cross The Godfather, but Canada is lifting their vax requirement the end of the month.
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SI
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Hutton is not getting claimed... many teams have comparable AHL RHD like Hutton.
The waiver wire will have better d men than Hutton. Nick Meloche is a perfect example.
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LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
IslesNorway
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No team is gonna pick up Hutton on a 3 year deal, nor Aho. They are dime a dozen players at best, and their contracts serve as a safety pin for the team. No harm in keeping them around or sending them down, and no one is gonna want them for severeal years.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
If you are going to compare Hutton and Cholowski and mention upside, nice try leaving out the fact that the former is 27 and the latter 24. Not sure you can make a definitive argument on upside once you factor that in. Or, I guess you can but it'd be weak.
This ain't happening.
And he's certainly not the most mobile of the group, which is the number one element you want to have next to Mayfield right now.
Hutton is strictly the #4 guy for the right side of the defense.
Important for depth, yes.
But this team is going L-R shots from the first pairing to the third. Bank on it.
Whereas I'm all with you with respect to the #SayNoToLaDue club, take a look at the list of Dmen who are possible/probable for the camp-ending waiver wire.
No-one is taking Hutton and his three year contract. There's no worry about that.
Also, I don't think there's any reason to compare Hutton to Cholowski. If every team in the league could pick one of them right now, I can't imagine more than 10% would take the 27-year-old college signing with his 1 goal in 16 NHL games over a fairly recent #20 overall pick with over 160 NHL games under his belt who just turned 24 and skates phenomenally, both even being the same size. The age difference and contracts alone would make Cholowski far more interesting.
Hutton's righty shot would be his one advantage.
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From a sporting standpoint, there's absolutely zero reason to "give up" on this kid right now. He's still on his ELC and lost almost two whole seasons to injury, then went through the ordeal of being ostracized from the organization (which ultimately took place, no matter what your view is on the vaccination policy is). Alone what he did for Team USA and in the OHL should warrant a further look in light of the circumstances. Throw in the righty shot, NHL size, and our minimal prospect bin and well, this shouldn't even be an issue.
Both his AHL and Allsvenskan results have been far less than ideal and certainly nowhere near the expectations the hockey world had of this kid when he was 17. He's shown little to indicate there's much of a future here. A crying shame, too, becase when he was 16, he was talked about as a top 3 pick for his draft class.
If my attempt as a GM is to get the most out of the few prospects I have, I wouldn't want to release this guy without having seen a full AHL season from him.
At the same time, if bridges have been burned because of perhaps behind the scenes discussions related to the vaccination policy that shed light on other character traits or whatever that the organization doesn't want to deal with, then the most sensible thing for all involved would be to cut ties.
I think that seen over the long run, it'll not be a good look to retain Wilde, but have him excluded from camp and loaned out again. Even if he hasn't shown himself to be a future NHLer to date, the team would certainly be turning him into more of a socio-political story than it should want to deal with at this point.
A few of the voices out there in Islanderville still expect him to be at the main camp or at least show up at Bridgeport's camp. Very curious to see what happens, but I'd be surprised if we see him anywhere near the organization.
If that's the case and the team doesn't just cut ties, then I guess the best thing to do would be loan him out to an AHL team and see if he somehow creates marketability for himself.
From a sporting standpoint, there's absolutely zero reason to "give up" on this kid right now. He's still on his ELC and lost almost two whole seasons to injury, then went through the ordeal of being ostracized from the organization (which ultimately took place, no matter what your view is on the vaccination policy is). Alone what he did for Team USA and in the OHL should warrant a further look in light of the circumstances. Throw in the righty shot, NHL size, and our minimal prospect bin and well, this shouldn't even be an issue.
Both his AHL and Allsvenskan results have been far less than ideal and certainly nowhere near the expectations the hockey world had of this kid when he was 17. He's shown little to indicate there's much of a future here. A crying shame, too, becase when he was 16, he was talked about as a top 3 pick for his draft class.
If my attempt as a GM is to get the most out of the few prospects I have, I wouldn't want to release this guy without having seen a full AHL season from him.
At the same time, if bridges have been burned because of perhaps behind the scenes discussions related to the vaccination policy that shed light on other character traits or whatever that the organization doesn't want to deal with, then the most sensible thing for all involved would be to cut ties.
I think that seen over the long run, it'll not be a good look to retain Wilde, but have him excluded from camp and loaned out again. Even if he hasn't shown himself to be a future NHLer to date, the team would certainly be turning him into more of a socio-political story than it should want to deal with at this point.
A few of the voices out there in Islanderville still expect him to be at the main camp or at least show up at Bridgeport's camp. Very curious to see what happens, but I'd be surprised if we see him anywhere near the organization.
If that's the case and the team doesn't just cut ties, then I guess the best thing to do would be loan him out to an AHL team and see if he somehow creates marketability for himself.
Agreed, and having a hard time seeing how anyone would think otherwise. Hutton and Cholowski were each on waivers twice last year. Hutton cleared both times while Cholowski was claimed both times. Even before Hutton got a 3 year contract (with two 1way years, no less), it was pretty clear Hutton was the more likely player to pass through waivers unclaimed.
What would've changed since last year with Hutton that he is suddenly worth claiming when his contract is now larger?
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My quick and dirty view on Wilde -
I don't care about his vaccination stance or any of the other BS. All I care about is that 1. the player is a halfway decent human being, 2. can they play the game and 3. are they a plus to the team/locker room.
So far with respect to Wilde, his recent on-ice performance has been mediocre to dreadful. He hasn't done much on the ice over the last two years. All while spending time in a league that seems to be comparable to the ECHL.
Add in that Wilde is seemingly an idiot, and I am not talking about the vaccination stuff but even going back to him thinking that he had the grades to get into either Harvard or Michigan, before decommitting, and he is an unnecessary distraction.
At this point I just don't care what the Isles do with him. Keep him, loan him out, trade him, send him to the ECHL, shoot him into the sun, whatever.
He just doesn't seem like he is ever going to get it and, while he might have talent, it seemingly isn't enough to cover the gaping deficit between his ears.
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He is supremely talented, but the knock has always been upstairs. I know @Konk was very concerned about it during the draft process. It hurts because you see the crazy tools and get dazzled by them (he puts Dobson to shame in this department) yet his hockey IQ isn't anywhere close to Dobber's... that's why Dobson looks like a future #1D and Wilde is on he Never Was Express.
RHD's like him are so valuable, there has to be some schmuck GM desperate for one thinking they can salvage his immense potential. At least I hope there is.
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Dallas seems to be in the market to overpay for RHDs with issues. They just traded a first+ for a Smurf who gets rag dolled in his zone and along the boards. Maybe we can get them to give up an asset for "Gargamel"?
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Before we start getting camp reports, if I absolutely HAD to guess I'd say it will be Aho and Salo who make the roster (assuming no waiver pickups).
FWIW, NHL games played in 2021-22 and TOI per game:
Aho: 36GP, 16:27 TOI/game
Salo: 21GP, 16:41 TOI/game
Cholowski: 11GP, 15:49 TOI/game
Hutton: 16GP, 14:11 TOI/game
For this season, Aho and Salo have 1 way contracts whereas Cholowski and Hutton have 2 way contracts. Maybe the latter 2 guys stick, but I get the vibe that they're more AHL/callup depth.
FWIW, NHL games played in 2021-22 and TOI per game:
Aho: 36GP, 16:27 TOI/game
Salo: 21GP, 16:41 TOI/game
Cholowski: 11GP, 15:49 TOI/game
Hutton: 16GP, 14:11 TOI/game
For this season, Aho and Salo have 1 way contracts whereas Cholowski and Hutton have 2 way contracts. Maybe the latter 2 guys stick, but I get the vibe that they're more AHL/callup depth.
Salo is still waiver exempt so you may see him get sent down breifly to save some of the other guys from waiver pick ups
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Yes, and I understand that may be a reason to send him down, but I don't think it's going to 100% determine who they keep. His contract is 1 way though (makes the same $$ in the NHL or the AHL).
SI90
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We signed Russian winger Nikita Soahnikov to a 1 year 1 way deal. Played in the KHL last few years and had cups of coffee with the leafs and I think blues. Don’t expect him to make the team or an impact. Expecting him in Bridgeport or return to Europe.
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