Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Throttle]

i also think the sabres will be improved. may be a year or two away but they are young and hungry and i think will be very competitive this season. they came together very nicely the last 20-25 games last season

That’s a common occurrence annually that rarely translates into anything the following season when it needs to be sustained from game 1.

 

[Mike C]

That’s a common occurrence annually that rarely translates into anything the following season when it needs to be sustained from game 1.

true enough but the elimination of the eichel albatross and the fact that tuch really embraced wanting to be there felt a little different to me. obviously time will tell but i like what they are doing up there. they'll be my 2nd favorite team this season

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

You're absolutely correct IMO. The one ingredient is also picking the right "young guys" and "veterans." In a cap world, spending assets and then the cap space for a guy like Pageau for instance hurts. Same with Palmieri. Not only do you take away a lottery card (1st round pick), but you're also giving up 10 million dollars in opportunity cost to bring in a younger difference maker.

Definitely understand this, although it is - as you allude to - a juggling act.

I'm sure there are plenty in the business who'd say a team like the Islanders had to add a Pageau and Palmieri the way they did because they basically can't get these kind of guys, much less better players, any other way.

We all saw what a younger difference maker like Panarin dragged this team through.

Even though I'm not sold on Romanov, those are the moves that you give high value draft picks for: a potential top 4 dman making 2.5 mil a year. But Lou hasn't done that until this season. That's the right idea, perhaps on the wrong player (hoping I'm wrong).

Yes, Romanov's circumstances are clearly different than those of Pageau and Palmieri.

He may very well prove to be better than anything we could've gotten with that 13th pick.

Furthermore, the Isles scouts seem to have strong biases towards players that can play in bottom 6 roles at the bottom of the draft. Instead of taking swings on high risk/high reward players, they take overagers like Coskey, Bibeau, etc. Minor gripe, but still my issue is with the thought process. Of course there is always a Dufour sprinkled n there. But not enough of them.

Don't get me started on this selecting of longshot overagers. And it's not a minor gripe.

Guys like Ljungstrom and Newkirk are good examples of what you're talking about in going for bottom 6 role players. Liukas too, although he's looking like a kid who can really bring a Clutterbuck dynamic with him.

As for overagers, already after Coskey and Bibeau were selected, I voiced my dismay. I just couldn't believe that two of only five picks were used on dime-a-dozen overage players like this who likely could've just been added as UFAs after the draft anyhow.

Bibeau is now out of the game and Coskey had all of 5 assists in like 25 AHL outings in his second year with the organization.

I just don't get it. It was clear from the outset that there was little to zero NHL possibility in these guys.

And now the Isles have gone a similar route this summer with Maggio and Kuefler, the latter of which no publication had on the radar. At least a few OHL people I know strongly felt someone would have to take Maggio in this draft.

But darnit, it's the exact same pattern as 2019. These kids have to be added by next summer. Heck, Lou may be convincing enough to get them to just sign AHL deals. I've gotta say though that I've seen video of Maggio and definitely see in his skating alone that this guy is not the type of player you normally think of as a future NHLer.

Don't get me wrong - they're part of the organization now and they'll be rooted for. One might surprise along the way.

But there's a pattern and it didn't work out well the first time around.

As a nice little aside, both my son and I have always liked the Canadian National Anthem. Melodically, as well as it's reverence have always struck me. I feel it's a majestic song

Anyway, after not playing since high school, my wife recently took up the clarinet again 35 years later. When my son and I came home from karate last night, she surprised us with a rendition of "O Canada" she taught herself. My kid had his Barzal hoodie on because it was raining here, and I got ready for the perverbial puck drop.

Sorry to rattle on, thought you'd get a kick out of that!

Good stuff!

And yes, you're correct... That Canadian national anthem is one of the best out there.

Majestic is a great word for it.

 

[Throttle]

true enough but the elimination of the eichel albatross and the fact that tuch really embraced wanting to be there felt a little different to me. obviously time will tell but i like what they are doing up there. they'll be my 2nd favorite team this season

They could move up the standings, but in need of miracle higher up the standings to get even close to the playoffs.

 

[leeroggy]

Good stuff!

And yes, you're correct... That Canadian national anthem is one of the best out there.

Majestic is a great word for it.

Give me France all day

Heck, I miss the old Soviet anthem with Drago's face rising to the rafters . . . must have been Russia's first retired boxing uniform

And then there was the greatest rib of all time, when a very young, undiscovered, Roddy Piper playing La Cucaracha on the bagpipes for the Mexican anthem at the old LA Olympia!

 

[BrockLobster]

Give me France all day

Heck, I miss the old Soviet anthem with Drago's face rising to the rafters . . . must have been Russia's first retired boxing uniform

And then there was the greatest rib of all time, when a very young, undiscovered, Roddy Piper playing La Cucaracha on the bagpipes for the Mexican anthem at the old LA Olympia!

I associate the soviet anthem more with nikolai volkov and boris zhokov

 

[Big L]

true enough but the elimination of the eichel albatross and the fact that tuch really embraced wanting to be there felt a little different to me. obviously time will tell but i like what they are doing up there. they'll be my 2nd favorite team this season

Always root for Buffalo, unless they’re playing the isles.

 

[Mike C]

I associate the soviet anthem more with nikolai volkov and boris zhokov

1972. Alexander Belov and Doug Collins for me.

 

[Mike C]

They could move up the standings, but in need of miracle higher up the standings to get even close to the playoffs.

I think they're heading upward. As I noted, may be a year or two away but I think they'll be competitive most nights and fun to watch

 

[IslandersGER]

I associate the soviet anthem more with nikolai volkov and boris zhokov

I associate the soviet anthem with the Red Army five of Fetisov, Kasatonov, Krutov, Larionov, Makarov (KLM line). As a boy I never saw anything from the NHL, but every world championchips or olympics those soviets won everything and at the end this anthem was played

 

[leeroggy]

I associate the soviet anthem with the Red Army five of Fetisov, Kasatonov, Krutov, Larionov, Makarov (KLM line). As a boy I never saw anything from the NHL, but every world championchips or olympics those soviets won everything and at the end this anthem was played

Not much of a wrestling fan I see . . .

 

[Duanesutter12]

I associate the soviet anthem with the Red Army five of Fetisov, Kasatonov, Krutov, Larionov, Makarov (KLM line). As a boy I never saw anything from the NHL, but every world championchips or olympics those soviets won everything and at the end this anthem was played

Living in Hong Kong I've been inundated with the Chinese national anthem for 21 years..... And I love it! For me it brings up one of the great dichotomies of music- lyrics and the music composed to it. As an American, living in Hong Kong no less, I abhor everything about the CCP. But their silly little song? I love it! Melodically speaking it is inspiring & beautiful and I want so bad to continue humming it all day when I hear it but just can't because of who it is and where it came from.....

 

[Tahoeblue]

Took a hiatus from posting and hope people had a nice summer. Dropped my kid off at college as well. Not sure if my comment should go in this forum or another.

When teams break for the summer, does the team encourage players to work on certain skills over the break? Or does just everyone leave. I am sure nothing is mandatory. I know Nelson plays in Da beauty league and there was that picture of Tavares, CC and others in Toronto in the weight room years ago.

I just believe and hope Wally, Beau, Bellows and co are working on their skating, meeting with a nutrionist, sports pysch, personal trainer, etc. I would assume many things go on behind the scenes and hope players and management are mentoring these players on what it means to be a pro and that it is an all year process.

Let's drop the puck already!

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

When teams break for the summer, does the team encourage players to work on certain skills over the break? Or does just everyone leave. I am sure nothing is mandatory. I know Nelson plays in Da beauty league and there was that picture of Tavares, CC and others in Toronto in the weight room years ago.

As I understand it (and I've talked to NHLers), the end-of-the-year meetings ALWAYS include a list put together by the staff detailing exactly what they'd like the player to work on during the summer. Weightlifting and fitness are the most key components of that list.

But one has to think that the teams may even assign their players to skating instructors if there's room in the budget.

 

[PK Cronin]

Took a hiatus from posting and hope people had a nice summer. Dropped my kid off at college as well. Not sure if my comment should go in this forum or another.

When teams break for the summer, does the team encourage players to work on certain skills over the break? Or does just everyone leave. I am sure nothing is mandatory. I know Nelson plays in Da beauty league and there was that picture of Tavares, CC and others in Toronto in the weight room years ago.

I just believe and hope Wally, Beau, Bellows and co are working on their skating, meeting with a nutrionist, sports pysch, personal trainer, etc. I would assume many things go on behind the scenes and hope players and management are mentoring these players on what it means to be a pro and that it is an all year process.

Let's drop the puck already!

They're definitely given things to work on during the summer. A lot of the established guys have trainers they hire to help them with things, I know Adam Oates is one of these trainers/consultant types for a few guys around the league.

 

[LBloor]

As I understand it (and I've talked to NHLers), the end-of-the-year meetings ALWAYS include a list put together by the staff detailing exactly what they'd like the player to work on during the summer. Weightlifting and fitness are the most key components of that list.

But one has to think that the teams may even assign their players to skating instructors if there's toom in the budget.

They all hire skating instructors where they feel its needed

 

[MJF]

They're definitely given things to work on during the summer. A lot of the established guys have trainers they hire to help them with things, I know Adam Oates is one of these trainers/consultant types for a few guys around the league.

For several years there’s been NHLers and some minor league/college hockey players doing some of their off season training in Naples Fl with a former pro named Ernie Hartlieb. He recently opened a new training facility there. Judging from some of the pics out there his business must be very good to be able to open this facility.

HEAT Hockey Training Facility | Estero, Florida

Hartlieb Elite Athlete Transformation is Florida's premier hockey training facility located inside Hertz Arena. We provide athletes with the ultimate well-rounded athletic experience with a science-based approach.

www.heatathletes.com

 

[doublechili]

olympics those soviets won everything and at the end this anthem was played

Who was that Soviet weightlifter who kind of looked like Jackie Gleason on steroids? He always won.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Cholowski given number 2. Sure sounds like Salo is headed back to Bridgeport

 

[leeroggy]

For several years there’s been NHLers and some minor league/college hockey players doing some of their off season training in Naples Fl with a former pro named Ernie Hartlieb. He recently opened a new training facility there. Judging from some of the pics out there his business must be very good to be able to open this facility.

HEAT Hockey Training Facility | Estero, Florida

Hartlieb Elite Athlete Transformation is Florida's premier hockey training facility located inside Hertz Arena. We provide athletes with the ultimate well-rounded athletic experience with a science-based approach.

www.heatathletes.com

The Everblades!

BTW, it was announced yesterday for lacrosse fans that Naples is hosting Ohio-State-UVA and Michigan-Marquette on Feb 25th for those interested at the Paradise complex.

Who was that Soviet weightlifter who kind of looked like Jackie Gleason on steroids? He always won.

Vasily Alexeev?

 

[MJF]

The Everblades!

BTW, it was announced yesterday for lacrosse fans that Naples is hosting Ohio-State-UVA and Michigan-Marquette on Feb 25th for those interested at the Paradise complex.


Vasily Alexeev?

Yep. Hartlieb is a local legend down there.

 

[crashthenet]

Any PTOs for us?

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[SI90]

$8mil AAV

 

[Mike C]

$8mil AAV

Another pipe dream shattered

Who we gonna covet now that isn't gonna materialize??