Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[beach]

I feel the need to add that Shirman I RARELY see say anything negative about the Isles. I am not currently worried about Sorokin, but Shirman is not the most reliable source either.

But, she did also say this:

 

[CupHolders]

I feel the need to add that Shirman I RARELY see say anything negative about the Isles. I am not currently worried about Sorokin, but Shirman is not the most reliable source either.

Oh I hear you. I wasn't too concerned with her credentials as I wasn't seeing this as any kind of firm confirmation of Sorokin's status. There is still much about this situation that isn't known. I just saw this as her establishing context for how these two situations MAY differ for both players.


Beyond that, we are still not sure about many things. But we do know that Fedetenko left his KHL team while still under contract and Sorokin left after completing his. Does that impact Sorokin's circumstance? That would still remain to be determined.

 

[YearlyLottery]

But, she did also say this:

Unless I fail at reading comprehension that is saying nothing negative about the team. Anyhow you know exactly what I mean. Go through the feed and tell me that not mostly everything is extremely positive. You'd think we have the greatest prospect pool in the damn league. Stop cherrypicking.

Oh I hear you. I wasn't too concerned with here credentials as I wasn't seeing this as any kind of firm confirmation of Sorokin's status. There is still much about this situations that isn't known. What I saw this as, was her establishing context for these two situations MAY differ for both players.


Beyond that, we are still not sure about many things. But we do know that Fedetenko left his KHL team while still under contract and Sorokin left after completing his. Does that impact Sorokin's circumstance? That would still remain to be determined.

I get it. I hope they get him over here as soon as possible but he has his family and friends over there as well. It is a difficult situation all around.

 

[xECK29x]

Oh, I didn't realize that's who was commenting. You're 100% right. She's not a reliable source for something like this, though if she can read/speak Russian then that's a big plus. Isn't she just a super fan with no credentials?

She's just translating from what's reported in Russian media, she is fluent.

 

[beach]

Unless I fail at reading comprehension that is saying nothing negative about the team. Anyhow you know exactly what I mean. Go through the feed and tell me that not mostly everything is extremely positive. You'd think we have the greatest prospect pool in the damn league. Stop cherrypicking.




I get it. I hope they get him over here as soon as possible but he has his family and friends over there as well. It is a difficult situation all around.

Dude - I'm just adding info re the possible status of Sorokin. This tweet was a bit more apprehensive/less positive than her other tweet. I could not care less about your claims of her overall positivity.

 

[LeapOnOver]

I’m sure everyone here felt Nelson was a bust before he finally had a good coach and developed, many players would feel intimidated playing with superstars like McDavid and Draisaitl ! It doesn’t always mesh. Count me in on Piljujarvi if the cost is right

Huh, i never once thought Nelson was a bust...

 

[periferal]

Correct - it's not like the Isles are doomed because they don't have a Makar or McKinnon. StL was pretty close to a Cup team this year (until they ran out of goalies), and they did it with balanced scoring and team defense (and no high draft picks). Their identity is actually pretty similar to the Isles'. Lou has already indicated he knows the team needs a certain kind of player. The coaching change, add a puck-moving LHD (or two) and do something up front and then see what you have.

Oh gosh...

Let's be honest...the isles made their "Cup runs" because of Barry Trotz. Without him and that same lineup from 2019-2021 we don't come close to the semi-finals.

OTOH...Comparing our roster to the Blues from 3 years ago is anywhere from disingenuous to misinformed. Right off the bat they had Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, O'Reilly, and Parayko, who I'd argue you take before you start discussing which isles you'd take.

And then after that they literally got the best goaltending performance from Binnington that we've seen in at least the last decade. When he was brought up in January they were literally DEAD LAST in the league...Then they went on to win the Cup. And for those of you that don't remember game 7 vs the Bruins I suggest you watch that again because I couldn't believe what I was watching. The Bruins win that game, and the Cup, if not for Binnington.

We are a few steps away from having a forward as talented as Tarasenko or a defenseman as talented as Pietrangelo. Until we trade for players like that (and then get an other worldly performance from Sorokin in net), no one should be saying that we are currently anything like the blues of 2019.

 

[periferal]

I can see your point for sure, just make sure you take what I said in its totality. Puljujarvi is not my first target by any stretch of the imagination.

I said "if" we can't get a difference making forward, I would rather just keep the ones we got and/or would much rather roll the dice on a single year with this kid (or add similar young possible upside players) than spend multi-years and 5 million plus again on someone who is similar with what we already have...which is in fact a roster full of 40/50-pt producers

That's good to know that JP isn't your first target, but for me he shouldn't be a target at all. Teams just don't trade 24 year old 6'4 wingers drafted 4th overall unless they know first hand something is wrong with them.

Our farm system is so frickin' broken right now (and we have so little cap space) that I wouldn't want to give up even a 3rd rounder unless it was part of a deal for a known asset. To me if you take Puljujarvi back in a deal then you're retooling or rebuilding, and in that case I want every pick I can get. I just think that Puljujarvi is just a little better version of Kvasha. Sure he'll score the odd goal here and there, but will never come close to putting it all together. And in that case I think we're just wasting time (and assets) investing in someone that will ultimately go nowhere relevant towards making this team a Cup contender.

 

[periferal]

I mean we're not going anywhere without Sorokin anyway. So if he's stuck in Russia, next season is toast. Might as well tank with a blackhole in net and add a top 5 pick to our putrid farm in that scenario.

Honestly...This could be the best plan.

The bigger picture is that Varlamov isn't resigning here in a year so should he be allowed to walk for nothing?

No he should not.

 

[doublechili]

Oh gosh...

Let's be honest...the isles made their "Cup runs" because of Barry Trotz. Without him and that same lineup from 2019-2021 we don't come close to the semi-finals.

OTOH...Comparing our roster to the Blues from 3 years ago is anywhere from disingenuous to misinformed. Right off the bat they had Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, O'Reilly, and Parayko, who I'd argue you take before you start discussing which isles you'd take.

And then after that they literally got the best goaltending performance from Binnington that we've seen in at least the last decade. When he was brought up in January they were literally DEAD LAST in the league...Then they went on to win the Cup. And for those of you that don't remember game 7 vs the Bruins I suggest you watch that again because I couldn't believe what I was watching. The Bruins win that game, and the Cup, if not for Binnington.

We are a few steps away from having a forward as talented as Tarasenko or a defenseman as talented as Pietrangelo. Until we trade for players like that (and then get an other worldly performance from Sorokin in net), no one should be saying that we are currently anything like the blues of 2019.

I was talking about the Blues from a few weeks ago, not 3 years ago. I'm not saying player for player they're the same team, but the Blues have a bunch of 20+ goal scorers and play a team defense style. And they're not a roster of high draft picks. The point is you don't have to be COL to contend. There are other ways.

 

[doublechili]

According to this article, the military IDs were tied to players on UFA in 2017, although one player is allegedly involved who was not on UFA. Sorokin did not play for UFA. FWIW.

Also, the article mentions that the end of the military draft in Russia is age 27. Sorokin turns 27 in about 4 weeks. Again, FWIW.

Капризов и другие звезды хоккея тоже подозреваются в уклонении от службы. Что происходит?!

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

That's good to know that JP isn't your first target, but for me he shouldn't be a target at all. Teams just don't trade 24 year old 6'4 wingers drafted 4th overall unless they know first hand something is wrong with them.

Our farm system is so frickin' broken right now (and we have so little cap space) that I wouldn't want to give up even a 3rd rounder unless it was part of a deal for a known asset. To me if you take Puljujarvi back in a deal then you're retooling or rebuilding, and in that case I want every pick I can get. I just think that Puljujarvi is just a little better version of Kvasha. Sure he'll score the odd goal here and there, but will never come close to putting it all together. And in that case I think we're just wasting time (and assets) investing in someone that will ultimately go nowhere relevant towards making this team a Cup contender.

I find myself agreeing with you more often than not, but not on this. I would most definitely add him for a 3rd round pick just based on the success ratio of said pick in general ever making it to the NHL.

It is obvious we disagree on the player, move on...

 

[Throttle]

Fans, you too can be a blogger all without leaving your parents’ basement. All you have to do is quote tweet an insider, add a couple of your own words to it, and BAM! You’re a blogger.

Just hop on over to their website, they have plenty of teams available to get started…if you are up for a good laugh, watch the tweet times after something legit happens.

 

[seabass45]

 

[MJF]

He’s not gonna get it done. One salary dump at forward, one defenseman acquisition from outside. The other defenseman is from within . That is all.

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[MJF]

Some Lou quotes from Montreal.

 

[The Real JT]

He’s not gonna get it done. One salary dump at forward, one defenseman acquisition from outside. The other defenseman is from within . That is all.

Sounds like this past year’s TDL activity for the Isles.

Regrettably it’s hard to disagree but I hope you’re wrong.

 

[MJF]

Sounds like this past year’s TDL activity for the Isles.

Regrettably it’s hard to disagree but I hope you’re wrong.

Me too.

For better or worse, Lou did say he believes in the team he assembled. So much so that he fired the coach after missing the playoffs rather than laying the blame on the players.

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I really don’t think this is the way to go. Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Mayfield is a solid top 4. Get the right compliments for Dobson and Mayfield cheaply, like how the Lightning had the right compliments for a strong left side.

We need gamebreakers up front.

 

[duster19]

I really don’t think this is the way to go. Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Mayfield is a solid top 4. Get the right compliments for Dobson and Mayfield cheaply, like how the Lightning had the right compliments for a strong left side.

We need gamebreakers up front.

Three of those Dmen play on the right side, so they aren’t all in the top 4. They need a pick mover to play with Mayfield and someone more responsible to play with Dobson. They are looking for fit. I think Lou is bang on with his assessment.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Three of those Dmen play on the right side, so they aren’t all in the top 4. They need a pick mover to play with Mayfield and someone more responsible to play with Dobson. They are looking for fit. I think Lou is bang on with his assessment.

That’s why I said find the right compliments for them, Lightning have been great with Hedman, McDonagh, Sergacev and Cernak.

Difference is Point, Kucherov, Stamkos and Palat up front vs Barzal, Lee and Nelson.

 

[seabass45]

I really don’t think this is the way to go. Pelech, Pulock, Dobson and Mayfield is a solid top 4. Get the right compliments for Dobson and Mayfield cheaply, like how the Lightning had the right compliments for a strong left side.

We need gamebreakers up front.

I’m not sure if he said anything about the offense. All this indicates to me is that they aren’t sold on Salo and Bolduc.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I’m not sure if he said anything about the offense. All this indicates to me is that they aren’t sold on Salo and Bolduc.

I wasn’t sold on Salo and Bulduc was a scratch in Bridgeport so I’m with Lou on that, would just prefer good pro scouting to identify good fits on low salary players.