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It’s just the taxes and that there’s a perceived “better option in the same area. None of these guys are sending their kids to public schools. Our biggest draws right now are the arena/facility being a little better than other places, our coach being an all time great, and our GM having a long career of doing right by players. Keeping in mind that a 26 year old free agent realistically only saw a couple of seasons of Roy, all three of these probably serve to attract an older player.

Could see Marchessault as an option if he has a good relationship with Roy and Lou pays him till he’s 40.
 
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IslesNorway said:
If this team only had a half decent PK and a decent PP, they'd be well inside the playoff by now. That is actually quite crazy to think about. With little wriggle room in the summer, I'd focus on upgrading the PK first. Let Martin and Clutterbuck walk, and replace them with some real PKers. In terms of cash it should be a wash.

Then I'd look to get rid of Lee, Pageau and Palmieri, if possible. Also Pulock if some team is willing to take on that contract. It would mean a similar contract coming back but maybe look for someone who can give us something different.
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If Sorokin was half as good as he was last season we’d be in third. If Dobson wasn’t playing 30 mins a game for half the season he doesn’t fall apart during the final stretch (2 assists, -12 over the last 10 games) and we’re in a wild card spot.

Any sort of bounce back from Mayfield and Sorokin should have us back in the playoff picture next year. If they don’t though, we’re f***ed forever.
 
Nizami Ganjavi said:
Yikes. Just looked it up. Looks hideous.
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My in laws live in Summerlin. It's gorgeous. Parks every block and a half, only a short drive to the strip. Tons of shopping and restaurants nearby. Vegas is a really nice city to live in, even if you never gamble.
 
impaaaaaact said:
If Sorokin was half as good as he was last season we’d be in third. If Dobson wasn’t playing 30 mins a game for half the season he doesn’t fall apart during the final stretch (2 assists, -12 over the last 10 games) and we’re in a wild card spot.

Any sort of bounce back from Mayfield and Sorokin should have us back in the playoff picture next year. If they don’t though, we’re f***ed forever.
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True, and that is why come next season, I want Roy to be given full autonomy in choosing coaches and players. Really, half the coaches should be fired for the PP, PK and goalie performances this year.
 
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impaaaaaact said:
It’s just the taxes and that there’s a perceived “better option in the same area. None of these guys are sending their kids to public schools.
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Is that really true about LI? Do the Martins, Clutterbucks, Baileys etc. all send their kids to private school unlike some of the players of the past?
 
Strickland said:
Nope. The ones with families all live in Manhasset or Garden City and pretty much all send their kids to public school.
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That's good. I mean, of course I know very well there's a big diff between have and have not districts (lol), and even so it's good that it exists that pro-athletes & similar folks send their kids to public schools.
 
SI said:
Not sure if anyone has caught this, but Brock has not been himself playing on the W.
This is the longest goal drought he has had in a long time. Has anyone else feel this way?
I don't see a move back to C this season and I wonder if we see Nelson moved to play with Barzal to get him going - I think that combo would be stronger. I also believe Roy likes Barzal in the middle and I agree - give Maty more ice.

It looks to me that one of two things will happen with Brock this offseason - LL and Roy will look to acquire and push for a top winger, so Nelson moves back to C, and JGP is moved OR Nelson is moved in a hockey trade for a top 6 winger.

Remove any bias or what you think LL will do -
This is purely a thought experiment -

Which scenario makes this team better?

Scenario A
  • Trade JGP (2 years/5AVV) to Vancouver for Connor Garland (2 years/4.95 AAV)
  • SIGN Marchessault (3 or 4 years for 6 to 7 AAV)
  1. Lee - Barzal - Marchessault
  2. Holmstrom - Horvat - Garland
  3. Engvall - Nelson - Palmieri
  4. Maclean - Cizikas - Fasching
  • Trade JGP (2 years/5AVV) to Vancouver for Connor Garland (2 years/4.95 AAV)
  • SIGN Marchessault (3 or 4 years for 6 to 7 AAV)
Scenario B
  • Trade Nelson (1 years/6AVV) to the Blues for Pavel Buchnevich(1 year/5.8 AAV)
  • SIGN Marchessault (3 or 4 years for 6 to 7 AAV)
  1. Buchnevich- Barzal - Palmieri
  2. Lee - Horvat - Marchessault
  3. Engvall - Pageau - Holmstrom
  4. Maclean - Cizikas - Fasching
And is this enough of a change to the F group or do fans want to see more than just a trade and a signing- does it need to be 3 moves?
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Scenario B with a third trade to push Lee to the third line.
 
saintunspecified said:
That's good. I mean, of course I know very well there's a big diff between have and have not districts (lol), and even so it's good that it exists that pro-athletes & similar folks send their kids to public schools.
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Pro-athletes are mostly uneducated or minimally educated, so a good public school for their kids is good enough for them.
 
IslesNorway said:
If this team only had a half decent PK and a decent PP, they'd be well inside the playoff by now. That is actually quite crazy to think about. With little wriggle room in the summer, I'd focus on upgrading the PK first. Let Martin and Clutterbuck walk, and replace them with some real PKers. In terms of cash it should be a wash.

Then I'd look to get rid of Lee, Pageau and Palmieri, if possible. Also Pulock if some team is willing to take on that contract. It would mean a similar contract coming back but maybe look for someone who can give us something different.
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Again, please go after Marchessault or Debrusk. Good lord either or would help this roster.
 
Reilly is in line to play the second most games he's every played in the NHL this year with the Isles. He's bounced around and probably would really like to finally establish himself someplace. I'm thinking they can work something out, and I would think he wouldn't ask for the moon when it comes to the dollars. ... This is where someone inserts the 7 year contract joke.
 
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doublechili said:
Reilly is in line to play the second most games he's every played in the NHL this year with the Isles. He's bounced around and probably would really like to finally establish himself someplace. I'm thinking they can work something out, and I would think he wouldn't ask for the moon when it comes to the dollars. ... This is where someone inserts the 7 year contract joke.
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Nah, Lou will be cheap and only sign him to a 4 year deal extension. Full NTC of course 😅
 
So…if Lou remains the GM and Roy wants to keep Martin and Clutter, how does that make everyone feel?
 
Throttle said:
Pro-athletes are mostly uneducated or minimally educated, so a good public school for their kids is good enough for them.
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You can get minimally educated in a private school, too. Sometimes more so...

Throttle said:
So…if Lou remains the GM and Roy wants to keep Martin and Clutter, how does that make everyone feel?
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I hope a new 32 year old GM with glasses comes in... And extends Clutter and Martin. And trades the #1 pick. ;)
 
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doublechili said:
Reilly is in line to play the second most games he's every played in the NHL this year with the Isles. He's bounced around and probably would really like to finally establish himself someplace. I'm thinking they can work something out, and I would think he wouldn't ask for the moon when it comes to the dollars. ... This is where someone inserts the 7 year contract joke.
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Simon Benoit just signed a 3 year 1.35 AAV with the Leafs - maybe a comparable on the low-end of what Reilly possibly gets reupped.
 
Throttle said:
So…if Lou remains the GM and Roy wants to keep Martin and Clutter, how does that make everyone feel?
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If one of them is willing to take a league minimum contract ($775k) as an extra forward and buryable contract, I'm OK with it.
Both have the capability to spot start, they cannot play the game regularly anymore.

I'd expect more folks to be OK in this scenario for Clutter, not Martin.
 
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So…if Lou remains the GM and Roy wants to keep Martin and Clutter, how does that make everyone feel?
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That won't be happening. I think if the Isles miss the playoffs which is likely, Lou will be stepping away from the GM spot and Martin & Clutter will not be part of the team in a playing capacity next year. I may even throw it out there that Patrick could be GM before draft day
 
Top Corner said:
That won't be happening. I think if the Isles miss the playoffs which is likely, Lou will be stepping away from the GM spot and Martin & Clutter will not be part of the team in a playing capacity next year. I may even throw it out there that Patrick could be GM before draft day
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Anything goes the past 10 games. By Monday evening, a much bigger clue on who is making it should appear.
 
seafoam said:
What are the rest of the moves?
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Hopefully, there’s more than that, of course.

I’m not a fan of the player, but Zegras is a goner in Anaheim in the summer. Anaheim needs defense. I would trade a late pick for Montour, sign him, then flip Pulock for Zegras.

Zegras and Barzal on the same team would be a gong show, but it gets a better forward up in the top 6 and he’s not making more than his $5.75M any time soon - he’s not even worth that price.
 
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