Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[SI]

Based on that reply not sure you understand that salaries are prorated throughout the year, so any cap number is like 75% less of a cap hit now.

And I’d only go that high for a pending UFA, but the goal is to improve our D/pentalty killing and reach the playoffs. If you make it then there is no cap so Mayfield can come back no problem.

You know what makes me laugh, the old man does exactly what you want him to do - he stands pat, he is not willing to give up draft capital for a rental, like 4M depth d man, and you still bust his balls.

Jesus Christ - enjoy Islander winning hockey.
And before you ask, yes I still believe. 6-0 +19 goal differential and the team is in the driver's seat for 3rd in the Metro

 

[SI]

Flyers 65 GP/74 PTS
Isles 63 GP/72 PTS

Next 7 Games for Isles and Flyers

Islanders

1. @ LAK
2. @ Buff
3. OTT
4. @ NYR
5. CAR
6. @ DET
7. WPG

Flyers

1. SJ
2. TOR
3. @ BOST
4. TOR
5. CAR
6. BOST
7. @ FLA

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Let’s roll this back -

Lou is going to qualify him, even with arbitration rights - he is not going to file for it - why?

he is no longer waiver exempt, so he will have to make the team, or he will be exposed. That is risky but it all depends on how they rate him - he could make the team.

Good point!

And now I feel more strengthened than ever in saying, "Feels like he'll be playing for another organization next season."

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

I made these points 2 months ago and people here dismissed it...
Rumor was he was KHL bound next year because he is tired of waiting to "Get A Shot" with the big club.

Interestingly, he seems like one of the most un-Russian Russian players I've ever encountered (got to chat with him once while he played here in Germany).

Already as a teen, he was in Slovakia. He still has his girlfriend from that period of time. He went to play college hockey right from the U18 team. He then skipped to Finland for his first pro hockey, following that up with a stint in Germany (of all places) before getting his ELC.

He clearly possesses a few special skills that few in our organization have.

Yes, clearly, the KHL will surely be interested and he can obviously do his business here knowing that a few teams there will offer him good money and a solid situation. Thus, he can weild that pull in any discussions.

But something tells me he's in no rush to bring his career back to his homeland.

***
I thought the tweet the other day stating that a deal for Savard couldn't be made because the Isles weren't willing to part with their 1st or Iskhakov was, well, comical.

I guess that was a prime motivation to posting about Iskhakov.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

You know what makes me laugh, the old man does exactly what you want him to do - he stands pat, he is not willing to give up draft capital for a rental, like 4M depth d man, and you still bust his balls.

Jesus Christ - enjoy Islander winning hockey.
And before you ask, yes I still believe. 6-0 +19 goal differential and the team is in the driver's seat for 3rd in the Metro

He'd be complaining the most if we traded a pick for a rental.

 

[TMI]

No. It’s to be the monsters of the NHL, crush everyone along the way and win the Stanley Cup.

Rudy stories are cute. I want better than that.

Yeah, if you win the cup without going wire to wire as #1 for the season and don't cruise at 16-0 in the playoffs, does the title even count?

Me, I'd rather cruise through the regular season as the clear #1 even if we get bounced in the first. Would mean we're finally elite. And that's what really counts.

Anyone can win the cup anyway.

 

[MJF]

Yeah, if you win the cup without going wire to wire as #1 for the season and don't cruise at 16-0 in the playoffs, does the title even count?

Me, I'd rather cruise through the regular season as the clear #1 even if we get bounced in the first. Would mean we're finally elite. And that's what really counts.

Anyone can win the cup anyway.

Better than stalking the last wild card spot every year, no?

Having a great regular season = certain doom

 

[Zeeker]

Better than stalking the last wild card spot every year, no?

No, the two options are:

1 - crazy winning streak to jump into the 8 seed, then miracle run to the Cup.

2 - dominate the regular season, win the President’s Trophy, flame out in Round 1.

I bet YOU would TOTALLY pick Option 2, pshhh.

 

[MJF]

No, the two options are:

1 - crazy winning streak to jump into the 8 seed, then miracle run to the Cup.

2 - dominate the regular season, win the President’s Trophy, flame out in Round 1.

I bet YOU would TOTALLY pick Option 2, pshhh.

Yeah silly me. What a notion. Play well all year AND the playoffs. IT'S TOO DIFFICULT!

 

[MikeyMike01]

No. It’s to be the monsters of the NHL, crush everyone along the way and win the Stanley Cup.

Rudy stories are cute. I want better than that.

Hard disagree. 2007 NYG season was extremely special.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Yeah, if you win the cup without going wire to wire as #1 for the season and don't cruise at 16-0 in the playoffs, does the title even count?

Me, I'd rather cruise through the regular season as the clear #1 even if we get bounced in the first. Would mean we're finally elite. And that's what really counts.

Anyone can win the cup anyway.

Look at Boston. After they retooled in 2014 or so, they've built up another elite team. However, despite making several runs and a record setting regular season last year, they have not been able to win another cup. And in fact, the Islanders have more playoff series wins than the Bruins over the last 8 seasons.

Not only is a rebuild no guarantee that it will result in a juggernaut team, but even having a juggernaut team is no guarantee it will yield a cup.

 

[SI]

Good point!

And now I feel more strengthened than ever in saying, "Feels like he'll be playing for another organization next season."

He very well could but unlikely because if there is value there for another team to claim him after training camp, then the Isles also see that value and he makes the team.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Currently at 5v5:

Top line outscoring opponent 3-1 (9 goals for, 3 against)
Pageau line and Cizikas line outscoring opponent 2-1 ( 6-3 for Pageau and 4-2 for Cizikas)
Maclean line yet to allow a goal at 5 on 5... 2 goals for

That's 21-8 for 5v5. The penalty kill has been bad still, but slightly less bad and they're taking less penalties (2 goals allowed on 9 penalties). Meanwhile they've scored on 4/16 power plays so they're +2 in the special teams battle. That's how you win 6 games straight. Hard to argue standing pat with those results

 

[periferal]

That is incorrect. The full cap hit 3.25 and 3.9 would go against the cap, especially since Isles are on LTIR.
The salaries are not the question... the cap hit is.

The Isles moving a 4th rounder for a D man who carries a 3.25 or 3.9 m CAP HIT. Isles do not have room to add that to their CAP.

Dumba and Johnson trades had NO retention.

I don't care about Dumba per se. There were other much cheaper defensemen that went for a 4th or lower that are better at defense than Aho (or forwards better than Martin). That's what I was talking about. Again just surprised Lou didn't want to pay those prices since he has a history of paying much more for middling talent.

Oh and just to clarify the point that you actually "save" cap space as the season goes on...

Cap Space Accrual​

When teams are accruing space from the beginning of the season to the trade deadline is it X cap space available multiplied by the number of days from season start to the trade deadline?

Answer​

Sep 2, 2022
At the deadline, there are usually about 41 days left out of a 186 day season. That means that at the deadline, a player's cap hit will only count 41/186 of their annual cap hit on the new team. Therefore, a team's projected cap space for the year can fit 186/41 (4.53) Annual Cap Hit at the deadline. For example, if a team has $1M projected cap space for the year and that accrues, at the deadline they can add $1M * (186/41) = $4.54M in Annual Cap Hit.

You know what makes me laugh, the old man does exactly what you want him to do - he stands pat, he is not willing to give up draft capital for a rental, like 4M depth d man, and you still bust his balls.

Know what makes me laugh...Your obsession with me. This is your second reply to one of my posts without me saying anything in-between.

And your obsession is leading you to focus on how you feel about me - As opposed to what I actually said. What I actually said about Lou and the trade deadline is that I was "surprised" he didn't do anything and that I "didn't care one way or the other." You of course twisted that as me giving him shit because i have many times in the PAST. Not now.

Jesus Christ - enjoy Islander winning hockey.
And before you ask, yes I still believe. 6-0 +19 goal differential and the team is in the driver's seat for 3rd in the Metro

Cool. Keep enjoying "Winning Islander hockey" as well. I'm more concerned with how this team will fare in the playoffs (if they reach it). I have no illusions about them winning the Cup, but if Sorokin starts playing like 2022-2023 and they get to the semi-finals I will enjoy that immensely.

 

[MJF]

Not only is a rebuild no guarantee that it will result in a juggernaut team, but even having a juggernaut team is no guarantee it will yield a cup.

So why even try!

 

[Doshell Propivo]

So why even try!

The point is to *try* even if you don't have a juggernaut. To piss away playoff seasons and waste prime years of your core players in hopes that a rebuild yields a better team is foolish.

 

[MJF]

The point is to *try* even if you don't have a juggernaut. To piss away playoff seasons and waste prime years of your core players in hopes that a rebuild yields a better team is foolish.

No, the point is to try and build the best team possible AND win the Stanley Cup.

 

[MJF]

What kind of bizzarro board is this where so many here seem to be content to lay in the weeds and just make the playoffs instead of having the best team every year?

Too many years of being exposed to a calmity of errors that the Islanders were starting in the late 1980s really has altered the collective DNAs of you guys.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

No, the point is to try and build the best team possible AND win the Stanley Cup.

So unless you have a juggernaut you have to rebuild?

 

[MJF]

So unless you have a juggernaut you have to rebuild?

How you keep conflating the 2 thoughts is amazing. Can you agree that a team should try to be it's most competitive every year, strive to be the best team in the division, conference, league, country, etc?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

What kind of bizzarro board is this where so many here seem to be content to lay in the weeds and just make the playoffs instead of having the best team every year?

Too many years of being exposed to a calmity of errors that the Islanders were starting in the late 1980s really has altered the collective DNAs of you guys.

Nice strawman.

Exactly how is your fandom expressing your discontent? And how are those of us not screaming for a rebuild preventing NYI from having the best possible team every year?

How you keep conflating the 2 thoughts is amazing. Can you agree that a team should try to be it's most competitive every year, strive to be the best team in the division, conference, league, country, etc?

Yes, I agree. Are you suggesting that the Islanders are NOT striving to be those things?

 

[MJF]

Nice strawman.

Exactly how is your fandom expressing your discontent? And how are those of us not screaming for a rebuild preventing NYI from having the best possible team every year?


Yes, I agree. Are you suggesting that the Islanders are NOT striving to be those things?

Yes. 100%. Are not and have not.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Yes. 100%

Well I disagree. 100%. Just because you're not rebuilding doesn't mean you're not trying.

 

[MJF]

Well I disagree. 100%. Just because you're not rebuilding doesn't mean you're not trying.

You keep bringing up rebuilding and juggernaut. I don't know why you only can see the Islanders as an either/or proposition.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

What kind of bizzarro board is this where so many here seem to be content to lay in the weeds and just make the playoffs instead of having the best team every year?

Too many years of being exposed to a calmity of errors that the Islanders were starting in the late 1980s really has altered the collective DNAs of you guys.

As stated at the beginning of the season...I am upset that Lou decided to bring back the same exact team that I felt was not good enough in 22-23. You could argue that a year of seasoning and full Horvat could get them over the hump but I did not see it that way.

I still share that sentiment.

However, I can turn off those thoughts and focus on the here and now. Keep f***ing rolling and battling. Make the playoffs and try to beat up a bunch of teams along the way.