Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[MarsTBOW]

Once you draft (or sign) a player you've given them a chance. Then it's up to them to take advantage of wherever they are playing and prove that they deserve and NHL shot.

In the history of the NHL barely anyone with Iskhakov's size has made it which is a factor, but the bottom line is this...I'm going to put faith in coaching/management to determine if Iskhakov (or any prospect) deserves to play for the big club. The fact that Iskhakov hasn't yet should tell you that management doesn't think he's ready, or ever will be ready. If you disagree with that assessment, then you're disagreeing with the Islanders staff who's career it is to determine that - And then you should question if they're the right people for the job.

Yeah, this is coming from the guy who has stalked Malkin's office.
Man you are in the wrong business, Convince Malkin to replace Lou!
You know where his office is!!!

Also why draft him then?
You still have not answered the question...

 

[periferal]

I have connections within the organization.

Cool. Then how about breaking some stories...?

 

[periferal]

Yeah, this is coming from the guy who has stalked Malkin's office.
Man you are in the wrong business, Convince Malkin to replace Lou!
You know where his office is!!!

Also why draft him then?
You still have not answered the question...

Your points have nothing to do with each other. You're just looking to take a jab at me.

I did answer the question - You just didn't really digest it, but I'll make it simpler for you...

Why draft Griffin Reinhart? Because whether it's the 5th round or top 5 you think that is the best player on the board. Sometimes you get it right, but many times you get it wrong, but reagrdless of where a player is drafted sometimes they don't even deserve an NHL "tryout" at all - And certainly not when your team is trying to make the playoffs with about 20 games left.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Your points have nothing to do with each other. You're just looking to take a jab at me.

I did answer the question - You just didn't really digest it, but I'll make it simpler for you...

Why draft Griffin Reinhart? Because whether it's the 5th round or top 5 you think that is the best player on the board. Sometimes you get it right, but many times you get it wrong, but reagrdless of where a player is drafted sometimes they don't even deserve an NHL "tryout" at all - And certainly not when your team is trying to make the playoffs with about 20 games left.

Not picking on you man.
I'm curious on why you so quickly dismiss a player that's all.
I hope he gets a call up and lights the lamp and makes many Eat Crow.
Peace Brother....

 

[MarsTBOW]

Listed at 170 lbs.... Hmmmmm

 

[BelovedIsles]

Must say, a bit disappointed no moves were made; at the very least for depth. This team has earned the right to reinforcements, and injuries are bound to happen.

Perhaps Lou saves his first for a draft day trade that helps the team now and for the future.

And will the Flyers just go away?

 

[MarsTBOW]

Must say, a bit disappointed no moves were made; at the very least for depth. This team has earned the right to reinforcements, and injuries are bound to happen.

Perhaps Lou saves his first for a draft day trade that helps the team now and for the future.

And will the Flyers just go away?

My Take is the Flyers will run out of Pure Gumption by the end.
Hats off to Tortz though

 

[CupHolders]

People tend to think that deals are done in a vacuum. There's 32 GMs in this league. It's reasonable to assume that relationships among them are varied. It's also reasonable to assume that individual players' relationships with GMs are also varied and complex. GM X that traded Player Y to Team Z for a 4th might not be available to Team A and GM B for a 4th.

Chill! I come here to avoid helping my kids with their math homework. Don’t need it here too.

 

[Potvottier]

I think that last night or early morning today, Iskhakov, Dufour, and Maggio were told that they will be black aces.

 

[SI]

I know I can't do anything right, but that was one of my most calm/rational posts in a while so there's really no hope.

Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t, huh.
I guess the same applies to LL.

And what player did you want brought in here for depth? Would love to know- or are you just throwing the general statement out there?

To correct you - Isles were in a playoff spot his first year and he did not add.

 

[SI]

Re: Iskhakov:
- His contract runs out this summer (RFA - arbitration eligible).
- We have not yet seen him at the NHL level.
- He'll be 24 in July.

Feels like he'll be playing for another organization next season.

Let’s roll this back -

Lou is going to qualify him, even with arbitration rights - he is not going to file for it - why?

he is no longer waiver exempt, so he will have to make the team, or he will be exposed. That is risky but it all depends on how they rate him - he could make the team.

 

[SI]

Playoff Hunt
Flyers Lose, Devils Lose, Penguins back to back Losses, Red Wings Lose
Tampa and Caps wins

Philly 65 GP/ 74 PTS
isles 62 GP/ 70 PTS
Caps 62 GP/ 69 PTS
NJD 64 GP/66 PTS
PITT 63 GP/64 PTS

TBY 65 GP/ 74 PTS
Det 64 GP/ 72 PTS

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t, huh.

I like that he admitted that he's irrational the majority of the time.

 

[BrockLobster]

Once you draft (or sign) a player you've given them a chance. Then it's up to them to take advantage of wherever they are playing and prove that they deserve and NHL shot.

In the history of the NHL barely anyone with Iskhakov's size has made it which is a factor, but the bottom line is this...I'm going to put faith in coaching/management to determine if Iskhakov (or any prospect) deserves to play for the big club. The fact that Iskhakov hasn't yet should tell you that management doesn't think he's ready, or ever will be ready. If you disagree with that assessment, then you're disagreeing with the Islanders staff who's career it is to determine that - And then you should question if they're the right people for the job.

Ive seen ishikov on this level. He isnt an nhl caliber talent

 

[ALEXIVICH CHULKATURI]

Ive seen ishikov on this level. He isnt an nhl caliber talent

Well I and feel a few more of my Islander brethren would like to see for ourselves with all due respect to your hockey scouting. This kid has done nothing but honored the company line. He isn’t malcontent and deserves a look if the opportunity shall come his way.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Is this the "give him a shot" thing?

 

[SI]

IMO, I see NHL skill set - he’s tiny, but elusive. His production has been good not great like say Stankoven.

I would like to see how his skill translates on the NHL stage, especially in this system. It isn’t my call and you have to trust that if the staff does not eventually call him up once the AHL season is over then we’ll know that it isn’t there or he isn’t ready.

They have an opportunity now to go beyond the 23 man roster and the cap space I say yeah let’s see what he’s got and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Put the kid in a top 6 role and sit Martin and move Maclean to LW with Zeeker and Cal

 

[leeroggy]

IMO, I see NHL skill set - he’s tiny, but elusive. His production has been good not great like say Stankoven.

I would like to see how his skill translates on the NHL stage, especially in this system. It isn’t my call and you have to trust that if the staff does not eventually call him up once the AHL season is over then we’ll know that it isn’t there or he isn’t ready.

They have an opportunity now to go beyond the 23 man roster and the cap space I say yeah let’s see what he’s got and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Put the kid in a top 6 role and sit Martin and move Maclean to LW with Zeeker and Cal

I'm sorry, but that is crazy. We have found a formula that is working, and you want to change it to give a shot to a kid who hasn't made his debut to see if it works? That ship passed 20 games ago. It's playoff time and only injuries should affect changing the lineup that is a +14 goal differential in the last 5 games.

 

[saintunspecified]

IMO, I see NHL skill set - he’s tiny, but elusive. His production has been good not great like say Stankoven.

The thing I do not see is the ability to create separation. Lots of teams have guys like this - lots of skill, but lacking the natural athleticism & size to make it. To put it an Islanders context, I think he's similar to, but not as good as Rakhshani. If NYI get locked into a playoff spot *or* locked out of a playoff spot, I think they'll take a look. Beyond that, I very much doubt it.

PS I don't really understand how Kyle MacLean never scored more than 20+ goals in junior.

 

[Throttle]

Is this the "give him a shot" thing?

Along the lines of the Isles would have won the cup if Trotz played Wally in the playoffs. 2 coaches later and he’s still brain dead.

 

[doublechili]

Under Lou the Isles have switched from rushing prospects to really taking their time with them. With a guy who's 5'8" they might want to give him even more time to fill out, and especially dominate at a lower level, so that if/when he gets to the NHL he doesn't get killed. Or maybe he's just not an NHLer.

If he and Dufour and Maggio do end up as Black Aces, it would likely be more for them to soak it in rather than see the ice in meaningful games.

 

[crashthenet]

My Take is the Flyers will run out of Pure Gumption by the end.
Hats off to Tortz though

Torts unraveling a bit. Second meltdown in about a week. Happens when going to the whip stops working. Don't think goaltending holds up anyway.

 

[MJF]

IMO, I see NHL skill set - he’s tiny, but elusive. His production has been good not great like say Stankoven.

I would like to see how his skill translates on the NHL stage, especially in this system. It isn’t my call and you have to trust that if the staff does not eventually call him up once the AHL season is over then we’ll know that it isn’t there or he isn’t ready.

They have an opportunity now to go beyond the 23 man roster and the cap space I say yeah let’s see what he’s got and see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. Put the kid in a top 6 role and sit Martin and move Maclean to LW with Zeeker and Cal

The skill Iskhakov has is his puck possession. When the puck is on his stick he owns it. I'd say he's even better with the puck than Mat Barzal.

The thing is Iskhakov is not elusive. He doesn't get open in traffic at 5 on 5 in the AHL, so I doubt it would be any better for him in the NHL. His best looks have come on the power play and in OT, which not so coincidentally are where many of his highlight reel moves and goals come from. His shootout goal yesterday was reminiscent of the move he put on in the AHL All Star Game. Big fun but that's about as far as it goes.

 

[periferal]

Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t, huh.
I guess the same applies to LL.

And what player did you want brought in here for depth? Would love to know- or are you just throwing the general statement out there?

I didn’t care if he added or he didn’t, but when I saw Dumba get traded for basically nothing I found it surprising that he wasn’t getting involved at any level.

 

[Glory Days]

I don't see that. Even when this team was more of a contender he "disrupted the chemistry" by adding players.

And besides - Even if this team was the 1982 Islanders (or if you just have a strong identity/good character foundation in your core), adding hard-working bottom 6 players isn't going to change chemistry.




That is not the case...Like 1000% definitely not a shot at all? And if so how do you know that?

I also think that Roy still being new to the scene played a part in Lou’s decision. Roy is still evaluating the roster and making decisions on who can play in his system.