Roster Building XXV: Winning Rantanen's Undying Love

[CanesFanBudMan]

Half of me wants him to stay out of spite and tank is contract value

 

[Oogie Boogie]

This whole situation is outrageous. It wouldn't even shock me to see us extend him today. His agent has been allowed to negotiate with other teams now and seems like they don't like what other teams are offering all that much so maybe we decide to just pony up a bit more and get him locked in. Not the most likely outcome obviously but I still wouldn't rule it out.

Nah f*** that. Just get rid of him.

 

[Justicebork]

Good to see that Captain Hindsight has blessed us all with his presence, wit, and wisdom today.

 

[User13452]

Total clown show no other way to put it

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I think Rantanen's agent is a total clown no matter how this winds up playing out. What he's put his player through is just absurd, and now you've got at least 3 teams also probably rubbed the wrong way by this situation. That or Rantanen is just incredibly flaky and unable to make up his mind about anything. 50/50 on which it is.

 

[whiskers]

This whole situation is outrageous. It wouldn't even shock me to see us extend him today. His agent has been allowed to negotiate with other teams now and seems like they don't like what other teams are offering all that much so maybe we decide to just pony up a bit more and get him locked in. Not the most likely outcome obviously but I still wouldn't rule it out.

this was Tulsky mistake not being allowed to speak with Rant before the trade , if that trade was done next year with both Necas and Rant going UFA then its a ok trade , i would have rather have Necas this yr and next and lose him for nothing , it would have been some exciting plays , watching Rantanen is like watching Dubois play

 

[User13452]

I think Rantanen's agent is a total clown no matter how this winds up playing out. What he's put his player through is just absurd, and now you've got at least 3 teams also probably rubbed the wrong way by this situation. That or Rantanen is just incredibly flaky and unable to make up his mind about anything. 50/50 on which it is.

It’s really on the player at this point to sign a deal all the agent can do is present the offers being made

 

[whiskers]

I think Rantanen's agent is a total clown no matter how this winds up playing out. What he's put his player through is just absurd, and now you've got at least 3 teams also probably rubbed the wrong way by this situation. That or Rantanen is just incredibly flaky and unable to make up his mind about anything. 50/50 on which it is.

I wonder if either party thought of like making a 1 yr deal , to kick the tires if he would like to rsign here , id be ok with that , 1x 13mil and then if he doesnt sign trade him nextyr

 

[To Be Determined]

Turning Necas, Drury and picks into Johnston would actually be damn good business. Not really getting my hopes up though, I think if we do get a big piece for extended Rants it'd be Robertson. Which I'd be cool with, he's a 100pt player too...

this is how i look at it - we're not trading rantanen, as much as completing the necas trade. as long as we don't get complete ass in return i'm fine with it.

one caveat is i 100% believe necas would have been gone by the draft. he was traded at peak value for carolina. they gambled on rantanen and it looks like they lost. it happens. if they don't make that trade, the deadline is probably a mostly WLOG one and folks lose their shit. then a report comes out that colorado put mikko freakin' rantanen on the table for necas and folks storm the lenovo with torches and pitchforks because it is absolutely idiotic not to make that trade.

ah, hindsight.

 

[Borsig]

I think Rantanen's agent is a total clown no matter how this winds up playing out. What he's put his player through is just absurd, and now you've got at least 3 teams also probably rubbed the wrong way by this situation. That or Rantanen is just incredibly flaky and unable to make up his mind about anything. 50/50 on which it is.

Both. The player is the boss. But looking at rantanen and how he acts? I'd say it's on him. He's probably regretting his holding out on the avs which got him traded.

Wouldn't it be funny if he goes to ufa and no one else offers him that money because he turns to shit? Or we sign him because we're the highest offer then flip his ass?

Nothing at all lends me to believe he will play any better if we get stuck with him. Then the league starts to question if he is worth 12m alongside anyone except mackinnon

 

[Justicebork]

I wonder if either party thought of like making a 1 yr deal , to kick the tires if he would like to rsign here , id be ok with that , 1x 13mil and then if he doesnt sign trade him nextyr

I mean, we would obviously love that. A lot of risk for the player to Klingberg himself.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I wonder if either party thought of like making a 1 yr deal , to kick the tires if he would like to rsign here , id be ok with that , 1x 13mil and then if he doesnt sign trade him nextyr

I think the Canes would do that in a heartbeat but I don't see a single reason why Rantanen or the agent would consider it.

 

[User13452]

Both. The player is the boss. But looking at rantanen and how he acts? I'd say it's on him. He's probably regretting his holding out on the avs which got him traded.

Wouldn't it be funny if he goes to ufa and no one else offers him that money because he turns to shit? Or we sign him because we're the highest offer then flip his ass?

Nothing at all lends me to believe he will play any better if we get stuck with him. Then the league starts to question if he is worth 12m alongside anyone except mackinnon

There’s no doubt in my mind if they keep him and he continues this play that the offers he’s getting now won’t be there in July. Sure a desperate team like Chicago might offer something insane but how happy is he gonna be there losing every night?

 

[baconandbread]

IT'S HAPPENING!!!!
NOTHING IS HAPPENING!!!!

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Both. The player is the boss. But looking at rantanen and how he acts? I'd say it's on him. He's probably regretting his holding out on the avs which got him traded.

Wouldn't it be funny if he goes to ufa and no one else offers him that money because he turns to shit? Or we sign him because we're the highest offer then flip his ass?

Nothing at all lends me to believe he will play any better if we get stuck with him. Then the league starts to question if he is worth 12m alongside anyone except mackinnon

I would be surprised if he didn't get back to at least ppg-90 points per year, maybe not 50 goals and 100+ points but he really has looked better than his production and there are plenty of mitigating factors right now that go into that lack of production. I doubt we keep him but if we do, that is a huge weight lifted. And really it's fair to wonder how much we can blame on Mikko or is it just the entire team being completely disjointed and lacking in chemistry lately. The hot start was a bit of a mirage in terms of the team chemistry, but we had a ton of new faces this year even before the Rants and Hall additions -- sometimes it takes time to develop that chemistry as a team, and especially with guys new to Rod's system which as we know is not a seamless transition for many players coming into it.

 

[Borsig]

There’s no doubt in my mind if they keep him and he continues this play that the offers he’s getting now won’t be there in July. Sure a desperate team like Chicago might offer something insane but how happy is he gonna be there losing every night?

Who cares? He should have played ball with any of the 3 contenders that were throwing money at him.

 

[HisIceness]

Rantanen for Bedard.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

I think so at this point. My gut tells me he doesn’t sign here long term and goes UFA.

Best we can hope for is he plays inspired to help his status and helps us make a playoff run (I think I share your opinion that we aren’t built for a deep run right now….but playoffs are a crapshoot). I’d hope he has enough pride to play for himself, his teammates, and a playoff run, business side be damned.

I actually agree with this as well. I think the whole situation just tells the rest of the league that he isn't interested in extending anywhere, wants to get to FA, and his contract demands are probably outrageous given he can't come to an agreement with either Carolina or Dallas.

He walks in FA, and we get stuck holding the bag.

Personally, I hope we extend him. I truly think this whole ordeal has f***ed with his game mentally. Once its past him he will settle in and gain the form we expect. But for right now, with all the distractions he's f***ed, and you could tell on the ice last night.

 

[Brock Anton]

Genuinely have no idea what this f***ing guy wants. That’s now three “contending” teams that he’s refused to sign with.

 

[Wolfpuck]

I’ve experienced the entire spectrum of emotions and have currently settled at amused indifference. I hope whatever happens is the dumbest possible outcome.

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

I’ve seen Rangers supposedly entering the fray with packages centered around Laff.

 

[User13452]

Agent and player are back talking extension to Dallas this morning apparently so hopefully they just get it done

 

[whiskers]

noon can't be soon enough , i saved my last bottle of bourbon for today , they removed every american booze from the liquor store , euuhh , canadian whiskey sucks , its like the added 1 once of whiskey into a vodka bottle and some food colourant haha

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I have a bit of a controversial take: if any trade that the Canes make is conditional on an extension, that means the Canes are not exactly desperate to trade him. They're probably OK with an own-rental if it falls through. I would be, as well. It's not like the Canes don't have a white whale's worth of cap space this offseason.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

evidently the trade terms have been agreed to subject to rantanen signing the extension. to me, canes knew it would be a risk to get an extension prior to the deadline so they made the trade with plenty of runway before the deadline. i still think the optics look terrible for the Canes and in particular Dundon. players and agents will try and exploit this. guessing rantanen's agent is working this angle hard.

if the trade gets completed today, Canes will be branded the loser and it will not be close. media will brand the organization as not a desirable place to play and an owner who treats contract negotiations as war. they likely f*cked around with Guentzel and he told them go pound sand and got a better offer. devil is in the details -it's not just total dollars on these contracts. Dundon is extremely smart and aggressive, and the team follows this style with its negotiation tactics. if they lose Rantanen over several million dollars, it's a bad look. I would argue that amount is goodwill and creates additional value to the franchise via player relations, fan support, et al.

I applaud mgmt.'s efforts to go for it with Guentzel and Rantanen trades but IMO they have to critically look at their salary model. why do they consistently undercut market value on players. at times, its smart as they avoid long term contracts on advanced age players but in the case of a superstar type player and contract, it's not by itself a salary cap anchor. does it help or hurt the team to walk from a Guentzel and rantanen over maybe less than $1m of AAV?

to me, Dundon is still adjusting to having to pay out huge contracts every year to remain a viable and consistent cup contender. it his team and his business experience leads him to run the organization a certain way. have to respect that however I think ultimateyl it will lead to poor on ice results.

I'll give you the Guenztel snafu but how does this trade look bad on Dundon? They offered the man 100millon+ as an OPENING OFFER! Per Weeks they were willing to go up to 13/14 a year. From the sounds of it Mikko's camp never made a counter offer so we don't know that they'd lose him to Dallas for a few million more.