Roster Building XX: How Many Patents Does Your GM Have?

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TheReelChuckFletcher

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Friedman says Buffalo may buyout Skinner. Any interest in bringing him back? Think he can still get a team 25-30 goals next year

I'll never say never. If bought out, he's the most likely candidate to pull a Duchene and sign a 1 year prove-it deal with a contender. In that scenario, I'd be pretty interested.
 
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More sleeveless Harvard tees and the best deal his agent can get him.

I like the kid, but he strikes me as carefree and smart enough to know he's a little dumb about these things...the type to not worry about it and pay/trust an agent to do their job.
Believe Jarvy likes to play dumber than he is, especially to the media and in public. It's his thing and he's damn good at it. And smart enough to trust his agent as you stated.
 

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Per Seravalli:

Guentzel, who turns 30 before he would play his first game under the new deal, is expected to fetch a contract worth at least $65 million. He was traded from Pittsburgh to Carolina at the March deadline and fit like a glove with 25 points in 17 games, plus another nine in 11 playoff contests. It could be as much as 7 years x $9.5 million, or the Hurricanes have let teams know they are willing to work out a sign-and-trade so a team could get him on the maximum eight-year term (and lower the cap hit) in exchange for a mid-round pick.
 
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Friedman says Buffalo may buyout Skinner. Any interest in bringing him back? Think he can still get a team 25-30 goals next year

We let him go because he wasn't going to mesh with Brindamour's system. We're letting another young goalscorer go for similar reasons. Don't know why we'd bring the original back.
 

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Ned played well for us and as an RFA coming off only one partial season of play, was rumored to be asking $5m a season on his new deal. We we rumored to be willing to re sign him and not trade him away. But we were offering backup to 1B style money in the 2-3m range. His camp balked at that and we did him a solid moving him to a location that was good for his family. He then underperformed the contract he got from Detroit and is bouncing around the league now. The knock against him always was his size and if he could use his quickness to overcome the size disadvantage. It didn’t work in Detroit and got exposed on a lot of nights. He had a great run down the stretch with Pittsburgh this spring…. All the best to him but he wasn’t worth the ask from his agent and our analytics were proven right to move on from him.

PK already has more games played for us under his belt than Ned did at the point Ned needed his new deal…. and Pyotr is currently already signed for 3 more seasons at $2M per season. Great example of the team taking some risk to commit to 4 years given where PK was at the time he extended and great stabilizing deal for PK who already outperformed the deal last year and made himself almost un-tradeable (in a very good way) from the canes unless someone massively overpays as his value is sky high for his current backup level contract price.

Gotta love getting starting goalie like play from a goalie on a $2m per year deal. Florida is paying Bob $10m per year. It has worked for them this playoffs (ignoring the turd he dropped in game 4). While only a regular season game, PK went head to head with Bob and came out with the 1-0 win in Feb.. costs 20% of Bob and leaves $8M to spend on a high end dman or a top forward……. That’s the kind of cap management you want from the team.. assuming you spend the dollars wisely on the other assets…..
 

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They're letting Necas go because his big dumb FA money is coming up, and they don't want to give it to him.

If they can get Skinner for cheap he makes perfect sense as the high offense no defense depth winger (though Skinner can't carry a puck through a neutral zone to save his life)
Stick him with KK and let Skinner do his long ranger thing (since he's shown he can do it better than Necas) and let KK hang out in the neutral zone to cover him.

Or find a way to bring him in while keeping Necas and throw them both on the line for maximum fun (or pain but whatever)
 
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If you have a player that scores 50, but is on the ice for 50 against in a season that is not a 1st liner or PK guy, is that a net positive or negative for a team?
86% WAR means he helps the team win a lot more than he hurts a team. It means on average, he'd be the 3rd or 4th best player on an NHL roster. (3.45th on a 23 man roster).
 

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The NHL drug tests?
Have you noticed how many players have been disappearing into the player assistance program recently? Yes, the NHL has drug tested for a very long time, though they didn't used to care about recreational drugs, just the performance enhancing ones. That does seem to be changing.
 

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Looks like Barclay Goodrow is being bought out by the Rangers. If he comes cheap, he could be a decent fit on the fourth line or, at worst, our token "Veteran with a Cup" 13th forward.
 
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cptjeff

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sure everything does but that isnt the measurement
The WAR stat is supposed to measure total contribution to the team with both offense and defense combined. I don't know how much I'd rely on that one stat, but determining whether the the total impact of both the offensive side and defensive side of a player helps or hurts the team as a whole is *literally the entire point of that number*.
 
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The WAR stat is supposed to measure total contribution to the team with both offense and defense combined. I don't know how much I'd rely on that one stat, but determining whether the the total impact of both the offensive side and defensive side of a player helps or hurts the team as a whole is *literally the entire point of that number*.
then compared against a replacement that is the key. you can have negative impacts and still be a high war player, like skinner. its just a bad stat right now but its all based on how you perform against a replacement. that is literally the entire point of that number.

we should be shooting for near league minimum players on the 4th line and 13th F spot. we need a better quality top 6.
 

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then compared against a replacement that is the key. you can have negative impacts and still be a high war player, like skinner. its just a bad stat right now but its all based on how you perform against a replacement. that is literally the entire point of that number.

we should be shooting for near league minimum players on the 4th line and 13th F spot. we need a better quality top 6.
You cannot have *overall* negative impacts and have a high WAR. If your play is hurting your team overall, as you have alleged Skinner does, you will not have a high WAR. You will have a replacement level WAR or even a negative one. A high WAR suggests that a player's positive far outweighs their negatives. If you could be hurting your team and still be far above replacement level, the vast majority of players on every single team would be net negatives hurting their team with every shift, while 3-5 players on each team would do everything positive- offensively and defensively- for every team in every game.

Every player has positives, every player has negatives. So how good are their positives, how bad are their negatives? WAR attempts to combine the two.

I think you're just blinded by your hate of Skinner here.
 

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You cannot have *overall* negative impacts and have a high WAR. If your play is hurting your team overall, as you have alleged Skinner does, you will not have a high WAR. You will have a replacement level WAR or even a negative one. A high WAR suggests that a player's positive far outweighs their negatives. If you could be hurting your team and still be far above replacement level, the vast majority of players on every single team would be net negatives hurting their team with every shift, while 3-5 players on each team would do everything positive- offensively and defensively- for every team in every game.

Every player has positives, every player has negatives. So how good are their positives, how bad are their negatives? WAR attempts to combine the two.

I think you're just blinded by your hate of Skinner here.
his defense is horrid, no doubt. His finishing is very good, no doubt.

but again the metric is compared to a replacement level player.

the replacement level player is naturally going to have a lower level defensive level. even then its likely a negative for skinner in comparison.

but his offense and finishing will be much higher than a replacements. Hence the very high WAR number.

very high EV O, finishing and PP numbers >>>>> over a replacement
EV D < replacement

so skinner has a high WAR.

that doesnt mean he is a value add to a team trying to win unless the cap hit low enough to balance out allowing as many goals as scoring when on the ice.
 
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