Roster Building XX: How Many Patents Does Your GM Have?

[htdoc]

Did I miss rumors or actual news articles somewhere?

Other than Brindy doing Brindy things by sticking with a vet until there is no longer any doubt they can’t do it and it forces the issue (all wrapped up in how he felt he was treated late in his career after the injury), where did we get to the point of also giving up on PK?

We still have PK on a steal of a deal for $2M per for another 3 years. I would argue it is one of the best value deals for a goalie not on their entry deal in the league right now. Who else gives you a 1A/1B level of play and documented legit number of games played per season for that price for the next 3 years? Why are we talking about flipping him or trading him or replacing him? He isn’t perfect but is clearly still developing in a positive direction and over the past couple years showing more and more in the direction of being a legit #1 goalie and, when he plays regularly, he can get on some hot streaks and cover all the crazy high danger chances our d gives up.

Given how this org operates and how much of their entire strategy is finding excess value for each contract dollar, I can’t see them doing anything to give up the value proposition of the PK contract for the next couple years unless there is something official from the team about something behind the scenes?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I mean, I think most assumed Ned was safe too, but that didn't stop the organization from giving him away. We have no idea what the Borg is thinking.

 

[AD Skinner]

I'm one that wishes we'd uses the rotation in thr playoffs, but sest luh vy.

But i also feel like i'm probably on a lonely island in that i don't put the ranger series on freddie. He wasn't great, and he is about 98% the reason game 6 was lost. But even with the goaltending we got, i firmly believe we're not even playing a game 6 if our special teams didn't shit the bed in games 1-3.

Oh well.

… c’est la vie?

 

[To Be Determined]

… c’est la vie?

in southern france

 

[cptjeff]

where did we get to the point of also giving up on PK?

One person posited the question. The rest of us have been mocking the idea.

 

[Lempo]

I do French on Duolingo, "sest luh vy" is the acceptable prononcuation.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

I mean, I think most assumed Ned was safe too, but that didn't stop the organization from giving him away. We have no idea what the Borg is thinking.

While true the Borg could go any which way and it probably shouldn't surprise us Ned wasn't signed when he was moved and PK is on a damn good contract.

 

[Stickpucker]

The question isn't should we give up on PK ...the question is....based on how the borg operates and how people view our contention status or potential to retool....what would it take to sell on PK?

 

[Chrispy]

The question isn't should we give up on PK ...the question is....based on how the borg operates and how people view our contention status or potential to retool....what would it take to sell on PK?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Problem is goalies never get much in trade value, i think he's far more valuable to us on his contract that what he would return

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Problem is goalies never get much in trade value, i think he's far more valuable to us on his contract that what he would return

Last guy who went for a pick that high was Schneider, I believe, and that didn’t work out so well.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Tulsky saying we havent had AAV discussions with Jarvi's agent yet. still trying to get the UFAs done first.

 

[CandyCanes]

Tulsky saying we havent had AAV discussions with Jarvi's agent yet. still trying to get the UFAs done first.

But wants to get him locked up for 8 years

 

[NotOpie]

If you're Jarvis what are you asking for?

 

[cptjeff]

If you're Jarvis what are you asking for?

A new strain of pot that won't pop the NHL's drug tests?

 

[Chan790]

If you're Jarvis what are you asking for?

More sleeveless Harvard tees and the best deal his agent can get him.

I like the kid, but he strikes me as carefree and smart enough to know he's a little dumb about these things...the type to not worry about it and pay/trust an agent to do their job.

 

[MinJaBen]

And yet that doesn’t mean that a rotation works in the playoffs

How would anyone know? Seriously, no coaches do that. They all live in the past. Rod included.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

How would anyone know? Seriously, no coaches do that. They all live in the past. Rod included.

boston did it and it doesnt work with 2 top 10 regular season goalies.

 

[MinJaBen]

boston did it and it doesnt work with 2 top 10 regular season goalies.

Ah, the old “N of one” analysis. And Boston’s failure was all goaltending?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ah, the old “N of one” analysis. And Boston’s failure was all goaltending?

you said no coaches do it.

no but it didnt work. Ullmark couldnt get into a rhythm and they sat him afterwards.

margins are too small in the playoffs to have the players worry about which goalie idiosyncrasies to worry about each game. its like when you have 2 starting QBs you dont have 1.

 

[CandyCanes]

If you're Jarvis what are you asking for?

I think he could get 8x8m. He's pretty similar comped to Svech after year 3. He gets a bit more though because he showed he can put 33 goals in the back of the net. Tho I'd see if he'd be down for a replica of the Svech deal. 8x7.75M.

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean, I think most assumed Ned was safe too, but that didn't stop the organization from giving him away. We have no idea what the Borg is thinking.

So my thoughts on this are that Ned was drafted by the previous regime and as such the Borg was much more willing to move on from him if things didn't go perfectly. Kooch was brought in as part of the first big trade the Borg pulled off after Dundon bought the franchise, in dealing Skinner away. I wouldn't be completely shocked if they keep him around just to show that their analytics were smarter than everyone else thought given it ended up with Kooch and Nikishin in the draft.

 

[chaz4hockey]

So my thoughts on this are that Ned was drafted by the previous regime and as such the Borg was much more willing to move on from him if things didn't go perfectly. Kooch was brought in as part of the first big trade the Borg pulled off after Dundon bought the franchise, in dealing Skinner away. I wouldn't be completely shocked if they keep him around just to show that their analytics were smarter than everyone else thought given it ended up with Kooch and Nikishin in the draft.

Will be interesting. Re: analytics people.

In my career, I found them not to be emotionally tied to situations but rather what the numbers told them.

Thus, if they can improve by moving Pyotr they would make the move & wouldn’t hold on just to prove a point.

 

[To Be Determined]

The question isn't should we give up on PK ...the question is....based on how the borg operates and how people view our contention status or potential to retool....what would it take to sell on PK?

based on how the borg operates, PK is nigh immovable.

he has three more years at a low cap hit, that he has (imo, but assume it isn't a crazy opinion) already out-performed. those guys only get dealt if there is both an obscene overpay, and an anticipation that a replacement will be readily available.

how many goalers in the league have been as good as PK the last couple years, for anything close to the price, and the price won't change for years?

 

[User13452]

Friedman says Buffalo may buyout Skinner. Any interest in bringing him back? Think he can still get a team 25-30 goals next year