Roster Building XX: How Many Patents Does Your GM Have?

[A Star is Burns]

Someone posted that on the canes subreddit, ill paste it over here so people can see:

Calgary Flames receive:

• RW, Martin Necas (RFA rights)
• C, Jesperi Kotkaniemi (six years left, $4.82 million AAV)
• 2024 2nd Round Pick (Carolina)
• 2025 4th Round Pick (Carolina)

Carolina Hurricanes receive:

• G, Jacob Markstrom (two years left, $6 million AAV)
• LW/RW, Andrew Mangiapane (one year left, $5.8 million AAV)
• 2024 2nd Round Pick (via Dallas Stars)
• 2025 Conditional 3rd Round Pick (Calgary)

Personally, that doesn't move the needle for me at all. I absolutely do not want to trade Necas for a goaltender.

I'd rather re-sign him at this point.

That appears to be from a The Hockey Writers article, so can't imagine there's much basis in fact or reality there. Quite odd to even include the second rounders that are like two picks apart from each other.

 

[Lempo]

• 2025 Conditional 3rd Round Pick (Calgary)

What's the condition?

 

[AD Skinner]

I just stopped in to see what condition my condition was in

 

[CandyCanes]

I just stopped in to see what condition my condition was in

Critical condition

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

God awful trade. Markstrom is getting ready to hit the 35 year old goalie wall (which is why we wouldn’t give him the extra year) and Mangiapane solves no issues as a small perimeter winger

 

[A Star is Burns]

I could see us having some level of interest in Markstrom and/or Mangiapane. But I don't think it's via a Necas trade. That being said, I won't be surprised if we do end up making a move with Necas (and maybe others like Koko being included in that trade) that ends up looking a good bit like the Hamilton trade. We gave up potentially a lot of years of control for not very many (plus the Fox lottery ticket). That deal had its shortcomings in the long term, but it worked out quite well for us in setting us on the path to being the level of team we have been for years now.

 

[Unsustainable]

Canucks seems to be the 1 stop shopping for Necas and KK

 

[SlavinAway]

I could see us having some level of interest in Markstrom and/or Mangiapane. But I don't think it's via a Necas trade. That being said, I won't be surprised if we do end up making a move with Necas (and maybe others like Koko being included in that trade) that ends up looking a good bit like the Hamilton trade. We gave up potentially a lot of years of control for not very many (plus the Fox lottery ticket). That deal had its shortcomings in the long term, but it worked out quite well for us in setting us on the path to being the level of team we have been for years now.

But Hamilton and Ferland were pieces that we needed; Markstrom and Mangiapane aren't.

If the deal involved Andersson I'd say it's similar.

Edit: I misread and thought you were comparing the deal as written to the Hamilton trade.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I could see us having some level of interest in Markstrom and/or Mangiapane. But I don't think it's via a Necas trade. That being said, I won't be surprised if we do end up making a move with Necas (and maybe others like Koko being included in that trade) that ends up looking a good bit like the Hamilton trade. We gave up potentially a lot of years of control for not very many (plus the Fox lottery ticket). That deal had its shortcomings in the long term, but it worked out quite well for us in setting us on the path to being the level of team we have been for years now.

I can’t see much of any markstrom interest. His age, cap hit, and playoff performances all go against him. Just keep freedie instead of trading for a goalie who puts us in a worse position

 

[SlavinAway]

Canucks seems to be the 1 stop shopping for Necas and KK

What would that package look like though. Reports are we weren't that interested in Hronek.

 

[Chrispy]

What would that package look like though. Reports are we weren't that interested in Hronek.

If they aren't willing to give Hronek the long term deal he's interested in, I can understand not being interested in renting Hronek.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I can’t see much of any markstrom interest. His age, cap hit, and playoff performances all go against him. Just keep freedie instead of trading for a goalie who puts us in a worse position

It's not my preference, but if they think it's time to move on from Freddie based on how things ended I could see them circling back on the previous interest.

 

[Stickpucker]

Cbj receive
Necas
Kotkaniemi
Andersen

Carolina recieve
Laine (3m retained)
Provorov
Marchenko

Canes go all in on Koochie

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Someone posted that on the canes subreddit, ill paste it over here so people can see:

Calgary Flames receive:

• RW, Martin Necas (RFA rights)
• C, Jesperi Kotkaniemi (six years left, $4.82 million AAV)
• 2024 2nd Round Pick (Carolina)
• 2025 4th Round Pick (Carolina)

Carolina Hurricanes receive:

• G, Jacob Markstrom (two years left, $6 million AAV)
• LW/RW, Andrew Mangiapane (one year left, $5.8 million AAV)
• 2024 2nd Round Pick (via Dallas Stars)
• 2025 Conditional 3rd Round Pick (Calgary)

Personally, that doesn't move the needle for me at all. I absolutely do not want to trade Necas for a goaltender.

I'd rather re-sign him at this point.

Garbage source. Not even worth considering.

 

[SlavinAway]

Cbj receive
Necas
Kotkaniemi
Andersen

Carolina recieve
Laine (3m retained)
Provorov
Marchenko

Canes go all in on Koochie

Can Provorov play the right side?

 

[Stickpucker]

Can Provorov play the right side?

I don't believe so. But he makes only 4.5m and we could play Orlov on his off side.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Cbj receive
Necas
Kotkaniemi
Andersen

Carolina recieve
Laine (3m retained)
Provorov
Marchenko

Canes go all in on Koochie

No on Laine. Substitute someone else

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Me taking notes on all the Svech slander:

 

[NotOpie]

I could see us having some level of interest in Markstrom and/or Mangiapane. But I don't think it's via a Necas trade. That being said, I won't be surprised if we do end up making a move with Necas (and maybe others like Koko being included in that trade) that ends up looking a good bit like the Hamilton trade. We gave up potentially a lot of years of control for not very many (plus the Fox lottery ticket). That deal had its shortcomings in the long term, but it worked out quite well for us in setting us on the path to being the level of team we have been for years now.

Personally, I don't see us doing anything with Necas or Kotkaniemi until we've resolved the Jarvis/Teravainen/Guentzel contract cluster. They are both under team control, so we don't have to be in any sort of hurry. Plus, I'd like to see if the Canes could do some repair on the Necas relationship. I think he's on the edge of being a superstar.

What would that package look like though. Reports are we weren't that interested in Hronek.

I believe I recall that Hronek alone didn't move the needle and that we were looking for 2 or 3 additional assets (player, high ranked prospect, pick in some combination).

 

[Unsustainable]

No on Laine. Substitute someone else

Laine that cheap is worth the look

 

[Unsustainable]

What would that package look like though. Reports are we weren't that interested in Hronek.

Lekkerimaki
Hoglander
Mikheyev (They will have to send cap back)

But a RH C prospect, Hoglander cost controller Necas Replacement.

Not sure what else would be involved.

 

[Unsustainable]

Cbj receive
Necas
Kotkaniemi
Andersen

Carolina recieve
Laine (3m retained)
Provorov
Marchenko

Canes go all in on Koochie

I do like this, but I doubt Andersen would be moved, we would have to be working a deal at some point for Markstrom or someone.

 

[HisIceness]

So far none of these trade proposals for Necas interest me.

Vancouver? Petterson or nothing

Calgary? Nothing they have interests me.

Montreal? No thanks.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Laine that cheap is worth the look

This: Laine to receive care from NHL/NHLPA Player Assistance Program | NHL.com

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

So far none of these trade proposals for Necas interest me.

Vancouver? Petterson or nothing

Calgary? Nothing they have interests me.

Montreal? No thanks.

Weegar interests me for Calgary. I've thought about Necas for Weegar in the past as a base idea.