Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[rangers1314]

Owen Tippet was just demoted to the AHL. 23 year old former 10th overall pick. He has about 14 points in 42 games this season, similar pace to last year. RW

This was touched on today by Friedman on Mareks show. He will be moved.

 

[mas0764]

That whistles get swallowed theory got debunked earlier this week.
penalties might be called less, but there are in fact more powerplays called during the playoffs than the regular season. So the ref's stop calling even up stuff, which leads to a decline in Penalty volume, but more overall powerplays.

I’m not following that logic.

 

[mas0764]

It fits your plan to dismiss the leading goal scorer on a team on pace to set the rangers all time point mark. And it sounds like your plan relies on Laf and kakko becoming super star 30-40 goal scorers. What do you think the likelihood of that happening is? How many guys score more than 30 goals in a normal season?

The Rangers own plan is that Kakko and Laf become 30 goal scoring stars.

 

[Synergy27]

Why would Vancouver trade Hoglander?

 

[mas0764]

right. It’s crazy how some rangers fans are so eager to dismiss our chances this year as one of the best teams in the league, in the best position to add because they have some vision of a team in 4 years everything works out perfectly and we become a “real contender.”

Yeah, how dare anyone look into the future. The letter was stupid! Do everything always for today. Tomorrow doesn’t exist.

 

[wafflepadsave]

And a 2nd and a 3rd

No 1sts we will need those.

Just as long as they’re not high 1sts.

 

[mas0764]

Its the fallacy that, because things arent "perfect" this year the team should continue to rebuild in hopes that the situation becomes "perfect" in the future. Obviously theres no guarantee that happens.

The way i look at it is, we arent waiting for prospects anymore, every young player who will have a major impact on this window has already debuted. The team is also playing well and winning, but relying on a small group of elite stars to do it. Now is the time to sand down the edges of the roster and move out picks and prospects for NHL caliber depth to lengthen the roster.

You can always come up with a million reasons not to do something. Everyone is scared of Carolina but what if they lose in R1? You never know. I personally will be very happy with getting there and winning a round, but theres no reason they cant win it all with Igor playing this way. Cup teams win on the backs of their elite talent and the Rangers have that in spades.

If they get hot and win it good for them. Banking on low odds isn’t a good strategy though. Continuing to win transactions on the other hand is a great strategy.

Do you have to go for it eventually? Maybe. No reason why that has to be year 1 when they clearly are not ready though.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd potentially be interested in Hoglander for sure, but it'd depend on the price. Kravtsov+Lundkvist is probably the starting point though

Too much.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Playoff experience doesn't matter. The reason teams generally don't go far their first time in the playoffs after missing is because usually those are up and coming teams at the start of their window and aren't as good as the better teams. They're generally lower seeds and underdogs in their series. It's not because they haven't been there before and aren't familiar with it. Yes, there are exceptions of first time playoff teams that were good and disappointed. There always are. The same way there are experienced playoff teams that have also disappointed and had early exits.

Everything you said after the first sentence serves to validate why that sentence is false...

 

[nyrage]

Yep. While I think this team has the talent to go far it doesn’t have the experience. And experience is key in the playoffs. Teams just don’t come out of nowhere to win the cup. In other leagues, that’s possible, but not in the NHL.
If they move real assets, I’d hope it’s for long-term pieces. Hoping they just leverage their cap space and leave it at that.

I'll never forget what Gretzky said about losing to the Islanders. About 12 years ago he was asked about it again:

"We walked by their locker room in the corridor and saw after they won they were too beat up to really enjoy it and savor the victory at that moment," said Gretzky. "We were able to walk out of their pretty much scot free. We had so much respect for the Islanders players and the Islanders teams that we learned immediately you have to take it to another level in order to win a Stanley Cup. And that’s what we did. We learned from it and often credit for the Islanders players and Islanders teams for teaching us exactly what it’s all about and how hard it is to win.

 

[Lgrsean]

Yeah, how dare anyone look into the future. The letter was stupid! Do everything always for today. Tomorrow doesn’t exist.

That's not at all what I said, but too many of your posts are sarcastic and condescending. Ideas that differ from yours are crazy and delusional.

Not really worth the effort going back and forth with you for these kinds of responses.

 

[mas0764]

That's not at all what I said, but too many of your posts are sarcastic and condescending. Ideas that differs from yours is crazy and delusional.

Not really worth the effort going back and forth with you for these kinds of responses.

You literally said in the post that I quoted that Rangers fans who don’t want to buy at the deadline are “crazy,” and chasing perfection. So you insulted me the same way and misstated my position as well. Don’t pretend to be any better than me.

 

[McRanger92]

If they get hot and win it good for them. Banking on low odds isn’t a good strategy though. Continuing to win transactions on the other hand is a great strategy.

Do you have to go for it eventually? Maybe. No reason why that has to be year 1 when they clearly are not ready though.

Saying they aren't ready is purely subjective. They are likely going to add a rental forward or 2. They are likely going to move Kravtsov for a player who can help now, rental or not. If a trade is out there where they can add a center with term, but it costs them Lundkvist and/or a 1st, theres a good chance they pull the trigger. None of this will hamstring them long term.

 

[NYR94]

This was touched on today by Friedman on Mareks show. He will be moved.

Interesting. I'm watching the Florida game now and hadn't heard his name. I think Mamin is in the lineup for him.

 

[mas0764]

Saying they aren't ready is purely subjective. They are likely going to add a rental forward or 2. They are likely going to move Kravtsov for a player who can help now, rental or not. If a trade is out there where they can add a center with term, but it costs them Lundkvist and/or a 1st, theres a good chance they pull the trigger. None of this will hamstring them long term.

I don’t like moving Kravtsov but it is what it is.

I’ll live with your plan of Copp and Lekkonen if all it costs is Kravtsov and seconds, thirds and lesser prospects, preserving Nils and the first for a young long term center this summer.

If you can somehow swindle Edmonton out of Holloway too, then you are picking up steam towards finalizing the rebuild.

 

[SA16]

Everything you said after the first sentence serves to validate why that sentence is false...

It most certainly does not. That is a logical fallacy. Most teams in their first time in the playoffs are not among the better teams in the league. That is not necessarily always the case.

 

[McRanger92]

I don’t like moving Kravtsov but it is what it is.

I’ll live with your plan of Copp and Lekkonen if all it costs is Kravtsov and seconds, thirds and lesser prospects, preserving Nils and the first for a young long term center this summer.

I think its more likely they move a package of Nils/1st/Chytil types for a more experienced center than the hypothetical "young, cost controlled" center youve been harping on. I would obviously love for them to get a player like that but it just doesnt happen often. Also considering the trajectory of the team, the coaching staff & front office will surely want a guy who has done it before like a Scheiefle or JT Miller

 

[mas0764]

No 29 year olds need apply.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yep. While I think this team has the talent to go far it doesn’t have the experience. And experience is key in the playoffs. Teams just don’t come out of nowhere to win the cup. In other leagues, that’s possible, but not in the NHL.
If they move real assets, I’d hope it’s for long-term pieces. Hoping they just leverage their cap space and leave it at that.

Yeah, and I went through all 105 years of NHL history. The longest a Stanley Cup winner went without making the play offs prior is 1 year.

No team has ever won the Cup straight after missing the play offs for 2 or more years. We have missed 4 post-seasons in a row now. (FYI: I don't count the qualifying round since that was teams ranked 9-24)

 

[Lgrsean]

You literally said in the post that I quoted that Rangers fans who don’t want to buy at the deadline are “crazy,” and chasing perfection. So you insulted me the same way and misstated my position as well. Don’t pretend to be any better than me.

Here’s what I said to someone else, and I stand by it:
“right. It’s crazy how some rangers fans are so eager to dismiss our chances this year as one of the best teams in the league, in the best position to add because they have some vision of a team in 4 years everything works out perfectly and we become a “real contender.””

If you take that as a personal insult or that I think I’m better than you, that’s on you.

the rangers will be 5th in point % if tonight’s scores hold.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Neither could Harvey Weinstein, which is why he is now a convicted sex offender.

Look at Mr no sense of humor over here.

 

[Thirty One]

the rangers will be 5th in point % if tonight’s scores hold.

All the games are tied lol

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I can’t wait till McKegg joins Jed Ortmeyer and Tanner Glass in the player development department in a few years.

 

[Tob]

people undervaluing Nils. It used to just be the Sabres fans that expect us to throw in every prospect we have in any deal but now it's Rangers fans too.

 

[Kocur26]

Is it just me or does it feel like Mckegg plays 40 minutes a night.
I know he doesn't but it sure feels that way.

I know it he’s a sloth