Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…

[haohmaru]

This is starting to feel like a political debate where you have to pick a side because it can't possibly be the case that you blame both parties. No, you HAVE to pick a side

It’s a difference of opinion that doesn’t necessarily mean that yours is right or mine is wrong or vice-versa. It has zero to do with politics or those arguments. I just disagree with your take on the subject.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This 100% is what we should do this year.

It would cost a ton to bring those 3 in.

I'd rather go with just Copp/Lehkonen or the like and a vet D. But even that will deplete some assets.

I really think whoever comes in at F needs to be extended and go into with that plan in mind. Then you add Blais to that and a lot of the bottom 6 issues are resolved.

 

[dshea19]

Not sure blaming only Kravtsov is any better than suggesting it's only Drury who's to blame. This isn't an either/or situation. Kravtsov didn't respond the right way but the situation was created by Drury with his actions leading up to that point. I expect a GM to be better.

Hold on there, buddy! Are you telling me everything in life isn't an either/or position? That kind of balanced perspective will get you in trouble around here.

 

[haohmaru]

I'm saying Drury was wronged by Kravtsov (for argument's sake).

If Kravtsov is wronging Drury/the team by being a big f***ing pouting baby who is threatening to go back to Russia if he's not on the active roster, the right thing for Drury to do was stop for a moment, use his f***ing caveman meathead brain, take a look at his RW depth and deduce that just maybe it would have been ok to risk losing Hajek or Hunt and keep Kravtsov on the active roster to appease him.

Not that Kravtsov deserved appeasing. Do it because it's the right thing for the team and it's assets.

Your take and mine about what’s “right for the team” in this case is polarly opposite. If one of the first things you do as GM is appease a player who already has bolted on you once and wasn’t training seriously enough then you’re sending quite the wrong message to the team about your tolerance for bullshit right out of the gate. No sir. Not for some dude who has already taken his toys and gone home previously and hasn’t done dick on North American ice. Not on board with that message at all from the perches of NYR leadership. Country club message all over again.

 

[mas0764]

If you believe Gallant is copying Quinn and think Quinn is a horrific coach, which was the conventional wisdom here, then using your logic, you have to believe that Gallant is a horrible coach.

That's not the conventional wisdom, here, and I doubt you feel that way.

I'm not sure I follow that logic.

I do have some reservations about Gallant. I'm not saying I think he's David Quinn exactly but I think he's doing some Quinn-like things, perhaps, frankly, in part because he was instructed that those are the things that worked or that the team wanted to keep the same due to the preferences of the existing veterans.

I think Gallant is a way better coach than Quinn but I would say my faith in him is currently less than when he was hired because I do think most of our success is due to Shesterkin playing lights out and that's not really Gallant's doing. I was told Gallant plays an up-tempo, high pressure game. Where is that?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Fire Quinn, obviously

Wrong.

FIRE RENNEY!

 

[surlysailor]

I wonder if Kessel at full salary for Nemeth & a 5th/6th could get done. I'm sure Arz is on Nemeth's no trade list but Arz needs players with term to get to the cap floor next season, and NYR could use the cap relief next season.

 

[haohmaru]

Hold on there, buddy! Are you telling me everything in life isn't an either/or position? That kind of balanced perspective will get you in trouble around here.

If you reject the premise that he “deserved” to be on the team in the first place then there really isn’t a “balanced” perspective to begin with. He has shown next to nothing in North America and should’ve recovered from his injury, gotten his conditioning back, and then proven something in the shot he would’ve no doubt gotten in November.

 

[LoveGoons]

I don’t understand love for Kravtsov.. he’s a really soft Russian player or physically and mentally. At least Lunqkist is playing in the AHL working his game.. he was a better European player than Kravtsov, no griping..pimp up his value amd dump his ass

 

[mas0764]

Your take and mine about what’s “right for the team” in this case is polarly opposite.

You are allowed to be wrong.

If one of the first things you do as GM is appease a player who already has bolted on you once and wasn’t training seriously enough then you’re sending quite the wrong message to the team about your tolerance for bullshit right out of the gate. No sir. Not for some dude who has already taken his toys and gone home previously and hasn’t done dick on North American ice. Not on board with that message at all from the perches of NYR leadership.

You may not be on board with it, but when it's that message, or lose the player, you choose the former approach. Even if it's only until you can quietly trade the player.

Then take later steps to rectify the message. Again, if it becomes more of a pattern, the brakes can be applied at literally any time.

Additionally, I don't think that message, if that's the message that even gets sent, which I also dispute, is particularly absorbed by all the hard workers we clearly have here.

Country club message all over again.

I have no interest in having a country club mentality, don't get me wrong. I'm saying making an exception for one player when that player is in the unique position of being able to and having the desire to bolt, is not creating a country club mentality.

You are taking it too far the other way. It doesn't have to be all Ryan Callahans and John Tortorellas here. There is room for a little bit of diva, if it comes with talent and doesn't get out of hand.

This is one guy who has tremendous value either as a player or an asset. Appeasing one guy who acts out doesn't undermine team culture, doesn't create a slippery slope.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Eric Staal on the cheap should be considered. Immediate upgrade. We can see how he does over next few weeks as we approach the deadline. Low cost, low risk.

He would at least give the team a 4th line option that can possess the puck.

As long as he's interested in a reunion, he's a no brainer to add down the stretch.

Drury also needs to swallow his pride and bring Kravtsov back into the fold. Put him with Strome and Panarin. Sink or swim. It would behoove him to play well and bring up his value to get a fresh start elsewhere. Bring in Lehkonen, send Barron down if he's not going to play, and this looks like a team.

Kreid-Zib-Laf
Bread-Strome-Kravtsov
Lehkonen-Chytil-Kakko
Staal-Goodrow-Hunt/Rooney/Reaves

Mckegg shot into the sun.

Gauthier and a pick or prospect dealt for Lehkonen.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The one piece that the NYR might be feeling some pressure to move by the TDL or draft is Lundkvist.

He has been a good team player so far as his situation has played out. But he and his agent are well aware of how the NYR RD depth chart is shaking out. As well as the contenders for PP time in front of him. Is he going to report to play in Hartford next year? If / when that happens as we all know his value takes a massive hit.

Of course, other GMs know this as well and it may be factored in. However in most teams around the league I’d have to think he’d likely be an NHLer and on a lot of those, running PP2.

The next 4-5 months are likely the sweet spot for moving him.

 

[surlysailor]

The one piece that the NYR might be feeling some pressure to move by the TDL or draft is Lundkvist.

He has been a good team player so far as his situation has played out. But he and his agent are well aware of how the NYR RD depth chart is shaking out. As well as the contenders for PP time in front of him. Is he going to report to play in Hartford next year? If / when that happens as we all know his value takes a massive hit.

Of course, other GMs know this as well and it may be factored in. However in most teams around the league I’d have to think he’d likely be an NHLer and on a lot of those, running PP2.

The next 4-5 months are likely the sweet spot for moving him.

I really do hope that Lundkvist can be our version of Rundblad. High end prospect w/no room on the team moved for a 1st round pick dropping. Ideally somehow Lambert falls to the teens and NYR swoop in and draft him some how.

 

[mas0764]

I don't see Kravtsov as an answer here, even IF we bring him back into the fold.

Obv our right side has taken major hits w out Blais and Kakko but I'm not convinced that Kravtsov would crack the lineup as is.

I think it's an honest assessment.

Depends how you are evaluating him.

If you are asking him to beat out Reaves for a grit role he has no chance.

If you are ok with a little more skill and less grit being inserted into the top 9, there's no chance he's not an immediate upgrade over like 4 of our current wingers.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Speaking of which; I was so shocked when I tuned into the Olympics and saw him coaching the US national men's team.

Team USA giving up a lead late, and losing after regulation while the best young player was benched for large stretches is so David Quinn that even if I didn't know who the coach was, he'd be my first guess based on that quarter final.

 

[mas0764]

The one piece that the NYR might be feeling some pressure to move by the TDL or draft is Lundkvist.

He has been a good team player so far as his situation has played out. But he and his agent are well aware of how the NYR RD depth chart is shaking out. As well as the contenders for PP time in front of him. Is he going to report to play in Hartford next year? If / when that happens as we all know his value takes a massive hit.

Of course, other GMs know this as well and it may be factored in. However in most teams around the league I’d have to think he’d likely be an NHLer and on a lot of those, running PP2.

The next 4-5 months are likely the sweet spot for moving him.

I suspect if you want a young piece for him, he's better packaged over the summer.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Our bottom six is so puke worthy. Pls Drury fix

 

[effen]

I have no interest in having a country club mentality, don't get me wrong. I'm saying making an exception for one player when that player is in the unique position of being able to and having the desire to bolt, is not creating a country club mentality.

You are taking it too far the other way. It doesn't have to be all Ryan Callahans and John Tortorellas here. There is room for a little bit of diva, if it comes with talent and doesn't get out of hand.

This is one guy who has tremendous value either as a player or an asset. Appeasing one guy who acts out doesn't undermine team culture, doesn't create a slippery slope.

That's a hard sell to a team unless the guy has Jagr level talent. It's a completely impossible sell for a guy with no track record.

They don't even do this in baseball which is so much more an individual sport.

 

[bhamill]

I think spending anything more than a third on a rental with the team in the position it is in is really just a waste. I mean if it's someone you are bringing in as an example, a REAL PRO for the kids to observe in playoff hockey, that has some value, but more than a 3rd?

 

[Creepingjeff]

Team USA giving up a lead late, and losing after regulation while the best young player was benched for large stretches is so David Quinn that even if I didn't know who the coach was, he'd be my first guess based on that quarter final.

So much truth right here. He underachieved in college with the talent he had. He was meh at best with the Rangers. Not really surprised similar results for Team USA

 

[RGY]

He would at least give the team a 4th line option that can possess the puck.

As long as he's interested in a reunion, he's a no brainer to add down the stretch.

Drury also needs to swallow his pride and bring Kravtsov back into the fold. Put him with Strome and Panarin. Sink or swim. It would behoove him to play well and bring up his value to get a fresh start elsewhere. Bring in Lehkonen, send Barron down if he's not going to play, and this looks like a team.

Kreid-Zib-Laf
Bread-Strome-Kravtsov
Lehkonen-Chytil-Kakko
Staal-Goodrow-Hunt/Rooney/Reaves

Mckegg shot into the sun.

Gauthier and a pick or prospect dealt for Lehkonen.

Staal makes sense on so many levels.

-Cheap
-We have a severe bottom 6 need.
-Big body and battle tested
-Can take faceoffs if needed
-Can add some offense to the bottom 6
-Is legitimately better than everyone we have in the bottom 6 right now.

This is an easy decision if Staal would be willing to come here.

 

[McRanger92]

This is a legitimate concern.

Again, the short answer is that they think McKegg is currently a better NHL player and again, I'm sorry.

But even then, it would stand to reason that Barron be in the minors actually playing.

I actually don’t think McKegg has been terrible in his role, but the team needs someone who isn’t an offensive 0 in the bottom 6. And Barron needs to play consistently. This is my biggest gripe with the organization right now

 

[MrAlmost]

Kreider-Z-Laf
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lehk-Chytil-Goodrow
Staal-Rooney-Reaves

This ain't bad at all and is about the cheapest way to add at the deadline with both rentals and a guy that can be resigned moving forward. Shoot McKegg and Hunt into the Sun.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I really do hope that Lundkvist can be our version of Rundblad. High end prospect w/no room on the team moved for a 1st round pick dropping. Ideally somehow Lambert falls to the teens and NYR swoop in and draft him some how.

I don't think Lambert lasts past Detroit if the standings stay the way they are now. He won't slip out of the too 10.

Kasper is who I'm really intrigued by in the teens.

 

[Vitto79]

I don’t even love Kessel but at this point if he’s cheap why not take a flier ?