He dumps pucks in the net in OT. We had Rooney out there in OT tonight. No way Miller could possibly help this team in the playoffs.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVIII - Dust in the wind…
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Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
- Oct 1, 2008
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We’re gonna bring Krapsoft back for the playoff run. Will it be the hat trick of running home to mommy? If he’s so soft he can’t take disappointment in life, what the f*** is he gonna do in the playoffs when it’s all out war? He’ll shit his pants.
McRanger92
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The ship has probably sailed on JT, which is a shame, Perfect top line guy with an edge this team needs. Canucks have every right to ask for Schneider or Othmann. I still say no dice.
According to Larry Brooks, those players are off limits in a Miller trade. Arthur Staple wrote the Canucks want Schneider. That's the guy they want from the Rangers in a Miller trade. The Rangers will not trade that player.
Time to move on. Vancouver has moved on.
i get the feeling the Canucks are gonna keep their main players
There are really only three categories of players I am interested in on the trade market, and that is (a) a trade in which we deal for a young center prospect by giving up D/wing prospects, (b) we get someone who is on a cheap contract beyond next season, either before or after retention or (c) we add a little depth by trading for a depth forward, 3rd/4th line guy.
Carolina is the team to beat from my POV, but its tight and small marginals can put you up against a number of other teams. With that said, to get all the way I think you must have depth all through the lineup, a lot of speed, skill, attitude, hard work -- and so forth. This is also a team game, which means that I think you must have a high level of consistency on the roster, and not a 30-40% turnover from year to year (these aren't strict rules, depending on your system different requirements apply, if you change one player against someone that is identical it has a lesser impact etc etc etc). I do -- not -- think that you must have a No 1 center that can score 100 pts, a No 2 center that can score 80 pts, a 1st line RW that can score 40 goals, a 2nd line RW that can score 30 goals and so forth. I.e. the old way of looking at how to build a contender.
This must be the goal. The underlined above must be what we aim to put on the ice. How do we get there?
Locking up a core of 10 guys that eats 80-90% of your cap is never even remotely going to get you there. I don't understand how people are thinking when they are suggesting that we should get some expensive 2C to play behind Mika or even in front of him so that he slides down to 2C. How can we manage to build a great 3rd and 4th line if we do that? How can we manage to get the right balance on the roster between altruistic team players that buy into our system and individuals? If we lock up every inch of available room under the cap in the top players -- how can we acheive consistency elsewhere on the roster?
Look at Toronto. You can't have a stronger core than they have. Just the last year and a half or whatever they have -- among many others -- lost Zac Hyman, Kasperi Kapanen and Andreas Johansson. Especially Hyman and Johansson came from behind and were great picks and developed well, but how do that improve the team on the ice? Can a team like Toronto -- ever -- beat a team like Carolina if they can't keep guys like Hyman, Johansson and Kapanen?
If we replace Strome with a ELC, we are a little better than Toronto of cap wise -- but not by bloody much. If we resign Strome or replace him with an even more costly C we are basically as bad if not worse than Toronto (their expensive guys are delivering more on avg than our guys).
How can it even be seen as an alternative for Drury to make costly long term commitments right now??
Carolina is the team to beat from my POV, but its tight and small marginals can put you up against a number of other teams. With that said, to get all the way I think you must have depth all through the lineup, a lot of speed, skill, attitude, hard work -- and so forth. This is also a team game, which means that I think you must have a high level of consistency on the roster, and not a 30-40% turnover from year to year (these aren't strict rules, depending on your system different requirements apply, if you change one player against someone that is identical it has a lesser impact etc etc etc). I do -- not -- think that you must have a No 1 center that can score 100 pts, a No 2 center that can score 80 pts, a 1st line RW that can score 40 goals, a 2nd line RW that can score 30 goals and so forth. I.e. the old way of looking at how to build a contender.
This must be the goal. The underlined above must be what we aim to put on the ice. How do we get there?
Locking up a core of 10 guys that eats 80-90% of your cap is never even remotely going to get you there. I don't understand how people are thinking when they are suggesting that we should get some expensive 2C to play behind Mika or even in front of him so that he slides down to 2C. How can we manage to build a great 3rd and 4th line if we do that? How can we manage to get the right balance on the roster between altruistic team players that buy into our system and individuals? If we lock up every inch of available room under the cap in the top players -- how can we acheive consistency elsewhere on the roster?
Look at Toronto. You can't have a stronger core than they have. Just the last year and a half or whatever they have -- among many others -- lost Zac Hyman, Kasperi Kapanen and Andreas Johansson. Especially Hyman and Johansson came from behind and were great picks and developed well, but how do that improve the team on the ice? Can a team like Toronto -- ever -- beat a team like Carolina if they can't keep guys like Hyman, Johansson and Kapanen?
If we replace Strome with a ELC, we are a little better than Toronto of cap wise -- but not by bloody much. If we resign Strome or replace him with an even more costly C we are basically as bad if not worse than Toronto (their expensive guys are delivering more on avg than our guys).
How can it even be seen as an alternative for Drury to make costly long term commitments right now??
If that doesn't throw off the opponent, I don't know what will.
IronBloodedLion
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Any interest on Scheifele if he’s available? It sounds like Winnipeg wants to move on from him. Really good player with a decent cap hit and some term. He and Zibanejad would be a really good 1-2 punch down the middle
LiveLongandProspal
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rangers1314
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Friedman today throws some cold water on the Miller stuff. Says he's not convinced they want to move him.
Says Garland, BB are probably more likely to go.
Says Garland, BB are probably more likely to go.
leetch99
Leetch66 Joined 2007
Maybe a little more effort from some guys...we drew one penalty because of lack of effort . Meanwhile the Wing forwards despite getting hit would spin off every check and continue on and not give up on a play...second effort !!! It must drive a coach crazy watching guys give up on plays so often .
they really need to add 2 F
McKegg is a good trooper and all but he needs to be waived
Gauthier or Hunt need to be spares
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BBKers
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A retained Garland would be a big time game changer for this team. Would be expensive but he seems like the right target.
I wouldn’t like it but Eakin and Okposo at 50 off won’t shock me as cheaper costing pickups
Okposo , Eakin , Hagg for Nemeth , Gauthier, Hajek
what a deal ! Lol
Okposo , Eakin , Hagg for Nemeth , Gauthier, Hajek
what a deal ! Lol
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MrAlmost
Beer league hero.
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If Miller is out, which I think is good, we should see if there is a possibility of getting Dvorak at 50% and Lehkonen. That makes us so much better. Pushes Goat and mckegg out of the lineup. Hell, Goat likely included in the deal.
Kreider-Z-Laf
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Lehk-Dvorak-Goodrow
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
Make the trade sooner then later and this will help find out what we have in Chytil. If he can't make a difference on that line, gotta let him go. Otherwise, maybe we finally can let Chytil take center and strome walks. Then you open next season with:
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Eh. Who knows. So many scenarios.
Kreider-Z-Laf
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Lehk-Dvorak-Goodrow
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
Make the trade sooner then later and this will help find out what we have in Chytil. If he can't make a difference on that line, gotta let him go. Otherwise, maybe we finally can let Chytil take center and strome walks. Then you open next season with:
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Eh. Who knows. So many scenarios.
SA16
Sixstring
I'm surprised Drury allowed Dylan Larkin to walk out of MSG last night without a deal place to acquire him and a Ranger jersey already stitched up with his name on the back of it.
NYR Viper
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I think if given the choice of adding a winger given the respective cap hits (or expected cap hits) and costs to acquire, I would still lean towards Lehkonen. I think he fits long term better in terms of what the team needs.
So something like:
Trades:
Gauthier + STL 2nd for Lehkonen
Georgiev to EDM for EDM 2nd '23
Nemeth to DET for LV 4th '22
Signings:
Lehkonen - 5 years @ $2.85m per season
Blais - 3 years @ $1.65m per season
Kaako - 2 years @ $3m per season
Kravtsov - 1 year @ $1.25m per season
Greiss - 2 years @ $1.75m per season
Lineup:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Kaako
Lehkonen-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Blais-Barron-Reaves
Hunt
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Hajek or 7d @ $900k
Shesty
Greiss
So something like:
Trades:
Gauthier + STL 2nd for Lehkonen
Georgiev to EDM for EDM 2nd '23
Nemeth to DET for LV 4th '22
Signings:
Lehkonen - 5 years @ $2.85m per season
Blais - 3 years @ $1.65m per season
Kaako - 2 years @ $3m per season
Kravtsov - 1 year @ $1.25m per season
Greiss - 2 years @ $1.75m per season
Lineup:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Kaako
Lehkonen-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Blais-Barron-Reaves
Hunt
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Hajek or 7d @ $900k
Shesty
Greiss
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