Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[JohnC]

Don't think he was talking about you.....

But yeah we get it. The Rangers didn't win the cup during those playoff runs when half the d corps was injured. Or when Zucc got hit so hard in the puck with the head he literally couldn't speak for 3 months.

One team in 32 wins the cup every year. One. You need to be good and you need to be lucky.

The Rangers are good. Are they the best team in the league? No. Everyone knows that. Every team also has holes.

The Penguins haven't won a playoff series since 2018. The Hurricanes are good but not unbeatable. The Rangers will almost certainly only have to face, at most, one of Tampa, Florida and Toronto, assuming Washington / Boston don't end up a surprise winner.

I'll take my chances against all of those teams with Igor in net, gamebreakers all over the lineup, and with the additional piece or two that we will inevitably add before the deadline.

If you’re referring to a certain poster on my ignore list that I can tell you’re all arguing with without even seeing their posts, then f*** yes I am

 

[TheBloodyNine]

31-13-4, and 16-4-2 at home. And all people ever talk about in here is that this team can't win the cup.

No wonder older posters stay away.

Yeah, we talk about it because they can't the way they play 5v5. When are people going to realize that this team needs to be evaluated on more than their record? I want a team that can win in the playoffs. This team ain't it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rangers have beaten better Penguin teams in the playoffs before. Need to see how they match up with each other. No idea how these teams match up with each other yet.

Yeah they did that once in 2014, that was the only time when they were the better team. Rangers were the better team in 2015 and they got run out of the building by them in 2016.

 

[TheBPA]

Stop with the excuses. EVERY TEAM deals with injuries in the playoffs. There's not one team that wins that doesn't have guys kept together with duct tape at the end of it. Because that's the only way you can win.

Of course every team deals with injuries...that doesn't mean all injuries are equal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He's a 21 year old kid who is playing on North American ice for the first time. He played 25 games "at this level."

How is it anyone is taking you seriously on this?

This is Ed Jovo level obsession with a point.

Nils is a defensive prospect first, with a good shot from the point for the power play.

Seeing as how I was like maybe 1 of 2 people who said he would struggle a bunch out of the gate, maybe they should?

There are certain things he just cannot do at this level and I doubt he'll ever be able to do at this level which will restrict him from having success. If it were a matter of making bad reads or being a bit jumpy, yeah sure that will calm down with experience.

He's struggled in the AHL too btw.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Of course every team deals with injuries...that doesn't mean all injuries are equal.

But every team deals with them and has to overcome them. The teams that win, do.

 

[McRanger92]

Would love to steal Holloway.

Lundkvist + Georgiev for Holloway & Koskinen

 

[Kocur26]

“Keep an eye on the Rangers and the Habs between now and March 21. I think Montreal covets some Rangers prospects. Habs could fill some Rangers needs. Montreal would rather add prospects over picks. Already have 12 picks for the July draft. Rangers' pipeline drawing Habs interest”
Pierre LeBrun

 

[TheBloodyNine]

for whatever this is worth. I honestly cannot think of much I'd want from Montreal from what they'd actually want to trade.

 

[mas0764]

Seeing as how I was like maybe 1 of 2 people who said he would struggle a bunch out of the gate, maybe they should?

He didn't struggle out of the gate as bad as you are insinuating. His underlying metrics were actually positive.

There are certain things he just cannot do at this level and I doubt he'll ever be able to do at this level which will restrict him from having success. If it were a matter of making bad reads or being a bit jumpy, yeah sure that will calm down with experience.

I think that's almost entirely what it was, actually.

He had a bunch of obvious flubs and turnovers and that is sticking with everyone. The behind the scenes stuff, as I said, actually he grades out positively from everything I saw.

He's struggled in the AHL too btw.

He's a 21 year old playing his first season on North American ice.

 

[mas0764]

Lundkvist + Georgiev for Holloway & Koskinen

Seems like an overpay but at least it's moving the right direction.

 

[RGY]

Speaking as someone who you'd probably say something similar about (and other posters have lobbed similar critiques at me), I don't think you understand the genesis of the complaints, at all.

We want the team to be good and we see the path to get there. If this is all the team was capable of, I'd accept it. They have the potential to be dynasty-like. I'm not saying they could win 3 or 4 Cups, but I see the potential for a team that could absolutely win more than one and be good/in the playoffs for the next 12-15 years.

It eats at my soul that they are wasting that opportunity.

See here’s the thing, the complaints or rather acknowledgement of the team’s shortcomings and weaknesses are not the issue. Not at all. I think we all acknowledge improvement is needed with things like 5v5 play. And as a fan we hope it gets addressed. This season. Even if its adding a 3rd line player for a 3rd round pick.

It is the bolded most of us take is issue with. The overly dramatic statements such as you just made. That is what I take issue with. Speaking in absolutes. I mean I guess I get it, as someone else just said maybe a page back, maybe its PTSD. Maybe thats what forces some of you to be so damn depressing. Because almost every post is depressing, or suppressing, others optimism. Especially after wins. Its tiresome. We dont need to be told how to feel. Go be pessimistic on your own time. Dear Diary….

And Mas, this obviously not entirely directed at you. Not trying to be a jerk one bit.

 

[Lgrsean]

The point which sailed right over your head is that you seem to be ok with this team being a near exact facsimile of those teams, and those teams won exactly zero championships.

Nothing floated over my head, you compared a team that won 11 playoff series with several deep playoff runs and nearly won a cup with a team you guarantee can’t win a playoff series. And you did it in an insulting way. Then when that didn’t play the way you hoped it would, you moved the goal posts.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

TBN is not Kershaw.

There have been multiple iterations of Kershaw. The latest one hasn't posted in a while.

 

[savebyrichter94]

for whatever this is worth. I honestly cannot think of much I'd want from Montreal from what they'd actually want to trade.

Only targets I could see are Chiarot, Anderson and Lehkonen, maybe Armia? Not much else there unless they like Dvorak

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

“Keep an eye on the Rangers and the Habs between now and March 21. I think Montreal covets some Rangers prospects. Habs could fill some Rangers needs. Montreal would rather add prospects over picks. Already have 12 picks for the July draft. Rangers' pipeline drawing Habs interest”
Pierre LeBrun

Makes sense

 

[mas0764]

See here’s the thing, the complaints or rather acknowledgement of the team’s shortcomings and weaknesses are not the issue. Not at all. I think we all acknowledge improvement is needed with things like 5v5 play. And as a fan we hope it gets addressed. This season. Even if its adding a 3rd line player for a 3rd round pick.

It is the bolded most of us take is issue with. The overly dramatic statements such as you just made. That is what I take issue with. Speaking in absolutes. I mean I guess I get it, as someone else just said maybe a page back, maybe its PTSD. Maybe thats what forces some of you to be so damn depressing. Because almost every post is depressing, or suppressing, others optimism. Especially after wins. Its tiresome. We dont need to be told how to feel. Go be pessimistic on your own time. Dear Diary….

And Mas, this obviously not entirely directed at you. Not trying to be a jerk one bit.

Not trying to be a jerk either, just telling you, the part I bolded is legit how I feel.

I simply don't see this team winning without Kakko and Laf developing into stars and getting a couple young centers in here to support them. I feel like I've seen the Zibanejad-Kreider-Panarin-Fox-Shesterkin show before in, like, Richards-Kreider-Nash/Gaborik-McDonagh-Lundkvist. Yeah, Panarin and Zibanejad put up more points, and Kreider is scoring at career highs, but they aren't as well rounded either - and it's showing at their 5v5 numbers. While I adore Panarin, if anything I tend to feel Zibanejad is a bit overrated.

I also think our depth is atrocious. That's why I keep harping that we can't run off Kravtsov, we can't trade Chytil, etc, we need those guys to develop into good, young middle-sixers as well. You can't keep rolling out Hunts, McKeggs and Reaveses and win Cups in this league.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Nothing floated over my head, you compared a team that won 11 playoff series with several deep playoff runs and nearly won a cup with a team you guarantee can’t win a playoff series. And you did it in an insulting way. Then when that didn’t play the way you hoped it would, you moved the goal posts.

No goal posts have been moved my friend. My original point (I'll spell it out for you again) is that no team that relies solely on goaltending gets anywhere. The Henrik teams that won rounds relied heavily on them, but they weren't nearly as bad as this team is 5v5. A team that is this horrendous 5v5 is going no where.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I'd take Nick Suzuki


But yeah, I think the only guy I'm remotely interested in is Josh Anderson

 

[ecemleafs]

Lehkonen is the only player of interest on Montreal. Chariot is a 3rd pairing dman who Montreal somehow want a 1st and a prospect for. Gallagher has a huge contract and is small grinder who is soon to be 30. Those guys age poorly. Montreal has a very bad roster mixed in with some bad contracts to their good players.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Only targets I could see are Chiarot, Anderson and Lehkonen, not much else there unless they like Dvorak

I don't doubt for a second that Gorton wants some of his guys in his new organization, but of those 4 Lehkonen is the only guy that makes any sense.

 

[17futurecap]

Wideman and Lehkonen, get it done. Just avoid Chiarot at all costs.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Isn't Lehkonen a LW?

 

[surlysailor]

Only targets I could see are Chiarot, Anderson and Lehkonen, not much else there unless they like Dvorak

Not sure I'd even like but I wonder if something around Drouin might be something that's being discussed. Drouin can almost be a Miller light addition. Can play all 3 positions. Fit on Panarin-Strome line for now if Laff/K2 doesn't work out when they're healthy. It'd prob Lundkvist that Gorts is aiming for.

 

[savebyrichter94]

I don't doubt for a second that Gorton wants some of his guys in his new organization, but of those 4 Lehkonen is the only guy that makes any sense.

I like Anderson as a winger for Bread and Strome but once again the contract poses major issues