Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[NYRangers16]

Let's say Strome tells the Rangers he'll do 7 years 4.5-5M per. NMC first 4. What do you say?

So like the RNH deal. I say yes.

 

[Lgrsean]

Those were different teams. The Torts system was block everything. This is a very differebt roster and also coaching philosophy. Not to be a negative Nancy, but we will get lit up rd. 1 currently.

He said this team can’t win a playoff series with just Igor and then suggested I hadn’t seen hanks teams. Nothing to do w coaching philosophy, or roster, which this years happens to have more talent than most of the rosters hank won playoff series with.

 

[BBKers]

Would We do a Nick Ritchie (1 M retained = 1.5 M cap hit) + 2023 4th for Greg McKegg?
What about Nikita Zadorov and a 2023 3rd for Libor Hajek?
Or Viktor Rask, Caeden Bankier and a 2022 4th for Tim Gettinger and Tarmo Reuanen?
Finally, Nick Leddy and Jack Adams for Patrik Nemeth, Karl Henriksson, Olaf Lindbom and a 2022 4th (maybe add a mid 2023 pick)?

 

[Vitto79]

Would We do a Nick Ritchie (1 M retained = 1.5 M cap hit) + 2023 4th for Greg McKegg?
What about Nikita Zadorov and a 2023 3rd for Libor Hajek?
Or Viktor Rask, Caeden Bankier and a 2022 4th for Tim Gettinger and Tarmo Reuanen?
Finally, Nick Leddy and Jack Adams for Patrik Nemeth, Karl Henriksson, Olaf Lindbom and a 2022 4th (maybe add a mid 2023 pick)?

nope. Leddy will cost more and the others are meh

 

[RGY]

Tough to get much worse 5v5 than they are right now so I'm pretty sure that's what will do them in.

You must be a new fan, never watched any of the Henrik teams, correct?

I did. And they went to a SCF and (2) ECFs. They were built on goaltending like every championship team needs. They had a stable top 4 on defense. I think this group could be even better. More potential on the back pair. Especially more than that 11-12 team.

There could only be 1 stanley cup winner. You are so negative and miserable its hard to enjoy this team when you are around. Like you are going to be happy if/when they are eliminated. And that my friend is really, really sad. And pathetic. For someone who considers themself a “fan” of a team. And no that doesn’t make you some “realist”, it just makes lonely.

 

[haohmaru]

Not to be a negative Nancy, but we will get lit up rd. 1 currently.

Did Shesterkin give you the opinion last night, or this season for that matter, that he's ever going to "get lit up"?

 

[RGY]

Did Shesterkin give you the opinion last night, or this season for that matter, that he's ever going to "get lit up"?

Apparently 31 wins in 48 games is not enough proof. A Vezina type season isn’t either. Team is getting lit up.

IT IS DECIDED

 

[NYRangers16]

Did Shesterkin give you the opinion last night, or this season for that matter, that he's ever going to "get lit up"?

It’s not him, it’s the inexperience/ineffectiveness of half our D corp. And without better 5 on 5 play, it will show up in the playoffs. Plus I didn’t say “he” would get blown up, I said “we,” as in the team.

 

[GAGLine]

Would We do a Nick Ritchie (1 M retained = 1.5 M cap hit) + 2023 4th for Greg McKegg?
What about Nikita Zadorov and a 2023 3rd for Libor Hajek?
Or Viktor Rask, Caeden Bankier and a 2022 4th for Tim Gettinger and Tarmo Reuanen?
Finally, Nick Leddy and Jack Adams for Patrik Nemeth, Karl Henriksson, Olaf Lindbom and a 2022 4th (maybe add a mid 2023 pick)?

Absolutely not to the first. Ritchie has another year on his contract. I wouldn't mind Nemeth for Leddy, but I think our adds will need to be better. I don't think Zadarov or Rask are going to move the needle for us. I'd rather spend a bit more and get someone who can actually help us.

 

[haohmaru]

It’s not him, it’s the inexperience/ineffectiveness of half our D corp. And without better 5 on 5 play, it will show up in the playoffs. Plus I didn’t say “he” would get blown up, I said “we,” as in the team.

Well "he" is in goal.

In any event, I don't think the Rangers are going to get "lit up", I think they are going to have difficulty scoring and their reliance on special teams is what might do them in if they don't make personnel improvements. I'm not looking at any historical data, but I'll bet PP% decreases in the playoffs generally.

I look forward to them gaining experience in any event. I have no Stanley Cup illusions this year. But, hey, you never know.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Listening to the latest 32 thoughts they briefly discussed Patrick Kane and him wanting to know what the plan is for the Hawks moving forward, could there be a deal to be made?

Obviously the cap hit would be prohibitive but we know Panarin and Kane have insane chemistry, you put them together on that line with Strome and it’s basically set it and forget it

Is it worth it for Chicago to retain 50% if they get some prime young assets while also starting to move on from anything associated with the Beech incident as they attempt to rebuild their image?

Does Kane value being a Blackhawk for his entire career over another chance at a cup? And who better than Panarin to do it with?

On top of being a great player he also brings that veteran presence with championship pedigree

Just spitballing a bit

 

[duhmetreE]

I still think Panarin Zibs Kreider is the way to go. Kreider can create a lot of space for Panarin while he hangs out on the boards and Zibs can lurk

Let Strome baby sit the kids.

 

[bleedblue94]

They haven't matter as much as Igor has, to the point where this team would not be anywhere near that lofty point total without him playing insane literally every game. That's the hard truth.

I'm legitimately curious, if the sabers have won that cup against the stars would you be of the opinion that they didn't really win it because the dominator was just too good?

To the same end do you look at Edmonton And think that's a real powerhouse of a team and they're not really this bad because their goalies are just bad?

I'm not trying to rehash the argument, but I guess I just don't understand the thought process that a team with elite goaltending that's good isn't really good because they have to rely on their goalie. To me a goalie is a part of the team, and some teams have elite goaltending and others don't. That's all part of team construction. Maybe there's some PTSD in here because we saw for a decade an elite goalie try to drag a team around on his back, but I really don't believe that the team that we have here now is even comparable to what were essentially non-playoff teams that Henke would drag in for playoff runs

 

[bhamill]

I'm legitimately curious, if the sabers have won that cup against the stars would you be of the opinion that they didn't really win it because the dominator was just too good?

To the same end do you look at Edmonton And think that's a real powerhouse of a team and they're not really this bad because their goalies are just bad?

I'm not trying to rehash the argument, but I guess I just don't understand the thought process that 18 with a week goaltending that's good isn't really good because they have to rely on their goalie. To me a goalie is a part of the team, and some teams have elite goaltending and others don't. That's all part of team construction. Maybe there's some PTSD in here because we saw for a decade an elite goalie try to drag a team around on his back, but I really don't believe that the team that we have here now is even comparable to what were essentially non-playoff teams that Henke.
would drag in for playoff runs

Yeah. If your goaltender is your best player then your goaltender is your best player. It’s no different than if your 1C is your best player except your 1C doesn’t play all 60 mins. It’s ridiculous to use reliance on your best player as a disqualifier. It’s a double standard to only apply that thinking to goalies, and bad logic overall. A team is the sum of its players. Shesty is a NYR, part of the team, part of the whole.

 

[Daves a mess]

Misquote

 

[mas0764]

So at this point can you even enjoy a win, or are you upset we are losing draft position?

Of course I can enjoy a win. I want us to win, I just don't think we can.

There is more to being a fan than being blind to statistics.

I think we need 2-3 more young forwards (including at least 1 if not 2 centers), but I'm not saying we should tank.

While we're struggling across all 4 lines, we're on pace to match the most points the Rangers have ever gotten in a season.

I understand that. Igor is carrying us and having a Vezina-worthy season, as well as elite power play and penalty kill.

In the playoffs, penalties called drop. Space tightens up. We have proven this season to be extremely vulnerable to teams who don't give us space. Our method of scoring is going to drop dramatically and we will be forced to rely on only one strength, goaltending. Historically teams that are one-trick ponies, especially riding a goalie, don't fare well in terms of winning Cups. You see some nice Cinderella runs sometimes but they usually end in a loss because it's extremely hard to beat multiple teams in a row who are all better than you for the majority of the game (5v5).

That's the boat we are in.

I don't think adding one forward fixes it, I think you are going to need not just another center but also the development of Kakko, Laf and Chytil, plus the elimination of black-hole, net-negative players from the roster (ie, Nemeth, Hunt, McKegg) and given our cap situation the only way to do that is to continue to bring along the cheap, young players like Jones and Robertson. Credit to the org, they already seem to have phased out Nemeth, but then we are back to, does a team this young have the fortitude to win 4 playoff rounds? I don't think so.

It's an uphill battle for us. We almost certainly aren't winning the Cup this year. It's just not the year.

Don't buy for this year, it's a waste. Enjoy the run with what we have. Re-evaluate next year.

In any case, under no circumstance ever should a package with Lundkvist AND a first be traded for a rental. That's just bad business.

 

[Daves a mess]

Would We do a Nick Ritchie (1 M retained = 1.5 M cap hit) + 2023 4th for Greg McKegg?

I'd do Guy Ritchie for Gregg McKegg.

 

[mas0764]

I’ll be the first to eat crow if it happens, but let’s pump the breaks. There’s no reason to believe any of these guys would be available.

Although I feel like you could steal Holloway out of EDM with the right offer (Georgiev?)

Would love to steal Holloway.

 

[MrAlmost]

You only ever go as far as your goalie can take you. Regardless of whether they are the best player or not.

The Rangers have a good team right now, and they need to make the bottom 6 better. From what I have seen, its our area of weakness. The D, in my opinion, is setting itself for years of contention.

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider

They played very well last night. I keep that and let them run. With this core, plus Igor, the team will be good enough and have to go for it for years. They are just too difficult to score against, and at the end of the day, that is the name of playoff hockey.

As for the bottom 6, some changes need to be made. Kakko is out for a month, and even when he gets back will he have an impact? He hasn't thus far and it will be the end of the season when teams are playing their toughest. Goat, McKegg and Hunt need to go. They aren't bad per se, and they have helped this team get to this point, but improvements are needed if this team is to compete seriously.

Is there a path of least resistance? A sort of one stop shop to shore up the bottom of the lineup?

Carpenter
Jarnkrok
Sanford, Brown, Tierney
Roslovic
Dvorak, Lehkonen
Cogliano
Copp

Plenty of players available to make a much better bottom 6 and also can be had cheap and likely resigned for resonable deals. No need to add a huge deal for the big splash. This team doesn't need that. They need a little more speed, some playoff experience and 5v5 responsible forecheckers. And a guy that can win faceoffs maybe.

 

[rangers1314]

Staple floated Chris Tierney yesterday on his podcast.

 

[pld459666]

Nils is a defensive defenseman.

When did that happen?

 

[pld459666]

Toffoli for a first? Gorton doing work.

An annual 20-25 goal scorer is not worth a 1st?

Gorton didn't do all that well here tbh

 

[surlysailor]

I’ll be the first to eat crow if it happens, but let’s pump the breaks. There’s no reason to believe any of these guys would be available.


Although I feel like you could steal Holloway out of EDM with the right offer (Georgiev?)

I agree, I think the only one out of the group Brooks mentioned would be Hayton. Though I wouldn't give up Nils for him. If Halloway could be had I'd do Geo & either a 2nd or mid-top tier prospect like Cuylle. Hell I'd even let them throw Kos in the deal to help them clear cap for another move.

The only way I see Dach becoming available is if they do hire Peter as their GM.

I hope Nils can become our Rundbland. Lambert starts falling and we move Nils for a first to draft him.

 

[TheBPA]

31-13-4, and 16-4-2 at home. And all people ever talk about in here is that this team can't win the cup.

No wonder older posters stay away.

 

[mas0764]

When did that happen?

Always. You don't know the prospect.