Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[NYR]

The problem also lies in the fact that there’s absurd notion among our fanbase that we’re going to die if we don’t get centers immediately to have for 10+ years. The team needs good players, plain and simple. It’s irrelevant whether they are a wing or a center when we’re routinely watching guys like Hunt and McKegg be played consistently above their level on a game-by-game basis.

Minnesota turned Ryan Hartman, who was a depth RW in Chicago and Nashville, into their 1C because they surrounded him with good players. We have a good young player in Chytil who is having the worst shooting percentage spike of his career, and people are ready to get rid of him as if he’s suddenly stagnated at 22 years old and will never improve. He’ll stop shooting 4% next year and everyone will be apoplectic that Drury traded him and how they can’t believe that we couldn’t “develop” him like that.

People want all of the rewards of a rebuild without actually wanting to go through the process that’s required for players to actually hit their peak. We just showed that we can do this with Zibanejad and Strome, and it should be expected that we can do it with the others. Just keep your good players, play them, and stop making obviously bad lineup decisions because of stupid hockey notions like guys can’t switch sides, you need grit, etc.

LOL how about that 5v5 play?
Centers = team defense, JG

 

[mas0764]

Are dealing Nils & Kravtsov really "selling the farm" though? They dont have long term spots here, either by choice or because other players are blocking them.

Yes because we then lack similar disposable assets to fix the long term core.

Also, lack of playoff experience is so overblown considering the Rangers best players have all played in plenty of playoff games. And are we really worried about Fox & Igor in the playoffs? These guys are all-world talents, I feel confident saying they will be just fine.

I agree in general it is overblown because if you are any good, but don't have playoff experience, you'll soon get some.

But I do think it seems unlikely that a team with so many players who don't have the experience are gonna beat more ready teams in multiple 7 games series'.

 

[mas0764]

Re-signing Strome allows the team to move forward with all of it's high end pieces while remaining a very good, growing team. It keeps the ammunition available for when the right player becomes available. The thing people don't like is the uncertainty of not knowing the name specifically right now. Look at the history of the last 10 years, there are good youngish centers that are traded. You need to make sure you have the ammunition to make those types of deals.

Strome @ 7 years for $5.3m per season

Danault
$5.5m per year @ 6 years, NMC in years 1-3, NTC in years 4-6

RNH
8 years @ $5.125m, NMC throughout

All numbers are given as averages of the previous 2 seasons before hitting UFA


[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Age when they hit UFA[/TD][TD]Games played [/TD][TD]g/60[/TD][TD]a/60[/TD][TD]p/60[/TD][TD]FO%[/TD][TD]CF% rel even strength [/TD][TD]AVG TOI[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Ryan Strome[/TD][TD]28 [/TD][TD] 49.5[/TD][TD]0.75[/TD][TD]1.55[/TD][TD]2.1[/TD][TD]44.45%[/TD][TD]5.0[/TD][TD]~18:19[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]RNH[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]58.5[/TD][TD]0.75[/TD][TD]0.9[/TD][TD]1.75[/TD][TD]48.15%[/TD][TD]2.4[/TD][TD]~20:35[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Phillip Danault[/TD][TD]28[/TD][TD] 62[/TD][TD]0.55[/TD][TD]1.6[/TD][TD]2.15[/TD][TD]53.5%[/TD][TD]5.4[/TD][TD]~17:51[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

I would continue to sell veterans but if people are insistent on winning now, this seems to be the best compromise. Keep your primary assets and re-sign Strome to a flexible, movable contract.

 

[mas0764]

But we will in 3-4 years when our stars are approaching their mid-30s and we have no clue what Laf & Kakko will turn into? Not sure about that logic

That's the hope. If they don't turn into stars, then it's back to the lottery and try again.

We aren't winning with Kreider as our third best forward.

 

[McRanger92]

Yes because we then lack similar disposable assets to fix the long term core.



I agree in general it is overblown because if you are any good, but don't have playoff experience, you'll soon get some.

But I do think it seems unlikely that a team with so many players who don't have the experience are gonna beat more ready teams in multiple 7 games series'.

I feel good in any Game 7 because we have the best goalie.

 

[mas0764]

I feel good in any Game 7 because we have the best goalie.

That didn't work out so well last time we tried it.

 

[McRanger92]

That didn't work out so well last time we tried it.

I mean we won a ton of Game 7s with Hank, and they also didnt have 1 player better than Fox, Panarin or Zibanejad at any time during that run and we have all 3 on the roster right now. Totally different situations.

 

[McRanger92]

Re-signing Strome allows the team to move forward with all of it's high end pieces while remaining a very good, growing team. It keeps the ammunition available for when the right player becomes available. The thing people don't like is the uncertainty of not knowing the name specifically right now. Look at the history of the last 10 years, there are good youngish centers that are traded. You need to make sure you have the ammunition to make those types of deals.

Strome @ 7 years for $5.3m per season

Danault
$5.5m per year @ 6 years, NMC in years 1-3, NTC in years 4-6

RNH
8 years @ $5.125m, NMC throughout

All numbers are given as averages of the previous 2 seasons before hitting UFA


[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD][/TD]
[TD]Age when they hit UFA[/TD][TD]Games played [/TD][TD]g/60[/TD][TD]a/60[/TD][TD]p/60[/TD][TD]FO%[/TD][TD]CF% rel even strength [/TD][TD]AVG TOI[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Ryan Strome[/TD][TD]28 [/TD][TD] 49.5[/TD][TD]0.75[/TD][TD]1.55[/TD][TD]2.1[/TD][TD]44.45%[/TD][TD]5.0[/TD][TD]~18:19[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]RNH[/TD][TD]27[/TD][TD]58.5[/TD][TD]0.75[/TD][TD]0.9[/TD][TD]1.75[/TD][TD]48.15%[/TD][TD]2.4[/TD][TD]~20:35[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Phillip Danault[/TD][TD]28[/TD][TD] 62[/TD][TD]0.55[/TD][TD]1.6[/TD][TD]2.15[/TD][TD]53.5%[/TD][TD]5.4[/TD][TD]~17:51[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]

Yeah Strome is def getting a contract in the Danault/RNH ballpark. If they dont trade for Miller, I am perfectly content with this outcome. If they can somehow get Miller @ 50%, now were cooking with gas.

 

[Anthony5967]

That's the hope. If they don't turn into stars, then it's back to the lottery and try again.

We aren't winning with Kreider as our third best forward.

We are if he’s suddenly a 40-goal guy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kakko & Laf only suck because they’re on the Rangers, if they were on a shitty team like the Canucks they’d be stars!

But Miller will certainly produce just as much on the Rangers and also won’t take ice time from the aforementioned young players!

Im going to laugh so hard when VK gets traded for Miller... I'm not even completely on board with Miller because the overall price is going to be pretty high but your subsequent meltdown is going to be worth the price of admission lol.

Im going to laugh even harder when he leaves Vancouver for the KHL in 2 years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We are if he’s suddenly a 40-goal guy

Yeah it's not like you can ignore what he is at the moment.

I was as anti extending Kredier as anyone and I shat on him last year when he deserved it but he's a PPG player who is leading the league in goals right now (tied, but you get the point.)

If that guy is your third best forward, you're in really good shape.

 

[Anthony5967]

Im going to laugh so hard when VK gets traded for Miller... I'm not even completely on board with Miller because the overall price is going to be pretty high but your subsequent meltdown is going to be worth the price of admission lol.

Im going to laugh even harder when he leaves Vancouver for the KHL in 2 years.

I mean it speaks volumes that Panarin or Igor weren’t even able to keep him here, or even sit down with him to calm him down.

 

[haohmaru]

We aren't winning with Kreider as our third best forward.

A lot of teams would like to have the league leader in goals being their third best forward. Hell, player.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean we won a ton of Game 7s with Hank, and they also didnt have 1 player better than Fox, Panarin or Zibanejad at any time during that run and we have all 3 on the roster right now. Totally different situations.

And I'd take those teams over this current one in a 7 game series 10 times out of 10, and it's not all about Henrik. The 2014 and 2015 teams would dismantle this current one and not break a sweat.

 

[Anthony5967]

Yeah it's not like you can ignore what he is at the moment.

I was as anti extending Kredier as anyone and I shat on him last year when he deserved it but he's a PPG player who is leading the league in goals right now (tied, but you get the point.)

If that guy is your third best forward, you're in really good shape.

Yea, i mean this idea that he’s suddenly going to revert back to the 25 goal guy next year needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He’s suddenly realized how deadly he is around the net. Gallant 100% has something to do with that. This is a completely different player than he’s ever been.

 

[Anthony5967]

And I'd take those teams over this current one in a 7 game series 10 times out of 10, and it's not all about Henrik. The 2014 and 2015 teams would dismantle this current one and not break a sweat.

I don’t agree with that. I loved those teams. Nothing can take away how good they were. However, that’s a team that needed six games and a 1-0 game six to beat a Dustin Tokarski-led Habs team.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I don’t agree with that. I loved those teams. Nothing can take away how good they were. However, that’s a team that needed six games and a 1-0 game six to beat a Dustin Tokarski-led Habs team.

And this team is one of the worst 5 on 5 teams in the league and has struggled to beat not only good teams consistently but also against the bad teams too. They are going to struggle to get out of the first round of this years playoffs.

 

[bhamill]

Geez, JT Miller is the hill we're going to die on...
I DO NOT hate JT Miller. I don't feel too strongly about him one way or another.
JT is a fine (I think elite is a STRETCH, he's not the sharpest knife on the christmas tree, but whatever) hockey player who would make our team a good deal better for this playoff run, and then less so next year when the second price, Strome not being signed, is paid in the off season, and then worse for the next few years after that when he either walks or is signed to a long term deal bringing him to about 37 years old while crippling further improvement by eating tons of cap. And I SERIOUSLY doubt he gets us close to a cup either of the next two years. Maybe if KK and Laf explode next year, but then Miller wouldn't be the key, Laf and Kakko would...
Meanwhile we've shipped a 1st, Krav, Nils, and possibly more, especially if you want the guy at 50%. We now have fewer options for trading for what we need to succeed, and fewer options for competent ELC players that you need in order to pay your top shelf guys...
So, for these reasons I'M OUT.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The issue with Ryan Strome is he really only contributes to one dimension of the game. He is a terrible defensive player. He and Panarin have gotten abused in their own end this season. $5-6M as a 2-3 year stop gap is meh...skeptical they win a Cup with him in this role, but ultimately kind of irrelevant since he won't sign that contract anyway. The same amount for 6-8 years...haven't we all seen this movie?

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

And I'd take those teams over this current one in a 7 game series 10 times out of 10, and it's not all about Henrik. The 2014 and 2015 teams would dismantle this current one and not break a sweat.

LOL, no. Maybe if you add Fox, Panarin and Zib to that team, perhaps.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

LOL, no. Maybe if you add Fox, Panarin and Zib to that team, perhaps.

Fox, Panarin and Zib are on this team and they are one of the worst teams at 5v5 in the league.

This team is way more comparable to the pre-2012 days because on those teams Henrik had to do everything in order for the team to win. We have that now with Igor. The current Rangers are a product of Vezina caliber goaltending and their powerplay. That's the hard reality.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Does anyone wonder why Vancouver would be willing to let their current best forward go?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The issue with Ryan Strome is he really only contributes to one dimension of the game. He is a terrible defensive player. He and Panarin have gotten abused in their own end this season. $5-6M as a 2-3 year stop gap is meh...skeptical they win a Cup with him in this role, but ultimately kind of irrelevant since he won't sign that contract anyway. The same amount for 6-8 years...haven't we all seen this movie?

The terrible defensive player isn't accurate, he wouldnt be used on the pk at times if that were true

 

[mas0764]

I mean we won a ton of Game 7s with Hank, and they also didnt have 1 player better than Fox, Panarin or Zibanejad at any time during that run and we have all 3 on the roster right now. Totally different situations.

We didn't have anyone with that level of offensive firepower maybe. But we had a ton of depth and a couple elite guys, like McDonagh. We also went to just one Cup Final and were dispatched in 5 games. And despite having a damn good goalie I'm not quite yet putting Shesterkin on Hank's level.

I'm aiming higher.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Rangers counter with laf for petterson, Miller, and hughes

Respectfully, the person you are responding to is one of the people I wrote an enquiry about the group think value of a Miller.

But, Miller is 21st in league scoring, a C/W, Pettersson is having a down year but is still far outproducing Laf, Hughes is a near ppg defenceman becoming defensively responsible.

With Laf not even producing at a .3 ppg clip thus far in his career from any perspective that's ridiculous