Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[Thirty One]

Does anyone wonder why Vancouver would be willing to let their current best forward go?

He's their most marketable asset and their system got Benning'd over the past number of years and he'd be tough for them to afford beyond next season.

 

[DialUp]

And this team is one of the worst 5 on 5 teams in the league and has struggled to beat not only good teams consistently but also against the bad teams too. They are going to struggle to get out of the first round of this years playoffs.

This team isn't supposed to get out of the first round anyway.

In 2 years, this team SHOULD be leagues better than any team we've had since Wayne's first year here. All we need is time.

 

[TheDirtyH]

What gives you the idea Kakko and Laf have been on lower lines than Caufield?

Caufield - 384 TOI this year: 136 mins with Suzuki. 20 mins with Dvorak. - 40% TOI in the top 6

Kakko - 507 TOI this year: 243 with Strome. 33 with Zibanejad. 54% TOI in the top 6

Lafreniere 529 TOI this year: 239 with Zibanejad. 92 with strome. 62% in the top 6.

We complain at their usage. His usage has been even worse. YEs, he's been PP1 recently but not all year.

And Lundkvist is nothing like McDonagh. McDonagh was rated as one of the top prospects in the league. 18th per some HF ranking (Rangers Prospect Review: Ryan McDonagh). Nils is not that. He wasn't even in the top 100 as the hockey writers january update.

Just wondering, but where are you getting your numbers? Evolving Hockey has Lafreniere's most common on ice teammate as Chytil with 228 mins and 43% of his ice time. Strome (112mins and 21%) and Zibanejad (99mins and 19%)...

Kakko's most common linemate is Zibanejad with almost 100 more mins played than with Strome..

That would agree with my viewings more than what you've listed. Kakko only played like 7 or 8 games next to Strome and Panarin this year, and Lafreniere went like two months between skating with Zibanejad.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He's their most marketable asset and their system got Benning'd over the past number of years and he'd be tough for them to afford beyond next season.

I don't buy that, you can move other pieces to make room for him if he's that good, and its not like Vancouver is going into a rebuild, they are in the middle of it and they aren't in cap hell next year, and if they were they could move less important players. I honestly think there has to be more to this, unless he just wants out.

 

[McRanger92]

And I'd take those teams over this current one in a 7 game series 10 times out of 10, and it's not all about Henrik. The 2014 and 2015 teams would dismantle this current one and not break a sweat.

The 14-15 bottom six was worlds better than the slop we currently have there, ill give you that. But those teams wouldn't score nearly enough to beat the current Rangers. They struggled to score more than 3 goals a game in the playoffs, hence why Henrik had to be perfect. Not that any of it matters

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This team isn't supposed to get out of the first round anyway.

In 2 years, this team SHOULD be leagues better than any team we've had since Wayne's first year here. All we need is time.

I agree, so I think the comparisons to a team that actually got to the cup final are extremely premature, regardless of this team's personell.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The terrible defensive player isn't accurate, he wouldnt be used on the pk at times if that were true

He is a distant 6th among NYR forwards in PK time / game - Goodroow 2:31, Rooney 2:24, Zibanejad 1:51, Kreider 1:30, McKegg 1:17, Strome 0:33. I guess he is ahead of Chytil and Lafreniere in the pecking order...

He ranks at or near the bottom quartile among regular centers in the league in terms of just about every even-strength defensive metric we have easy access to - and he has consistently over basically his entire career. Even Vally's CSA data from the first half of the season, which goes beyond 5v5 has him (and Panarin) being a net negative (across all situations, including PP) in terms of total chances for / against. If you want to dismiss all of that, feel free, but that's what I'm basing my statement on.

 

[NYR]

The Ryan Strome is a terrible defensive player narrative is sheer idiotcy LOL

 

[noupf]

Does anyone wonder why Vancouver would be willing to let their current best forward go?

i asked this question in the main boards and it seems like they want assests to rebuild from for the future. Good player to have, but after JTM's contract is up, too expensive and too old.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The 14-15 bottom six was worlds better than the slop we currently have there, ill give you that. But those teams wouldn't score nearly enough to beat the current Rangers. They struggled to score more than 3 goals a game in the playoffs, hence why Henrik had to be perfect. Not that any of it matters

Igor has to play perfect as well for this team to win as well. The difference is that 2014 Rangers didn't have to rely on the PP to win games.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yeah it's not like you can ignore what he is at the moment.

I was as anti extending Kredier as anyone and I shat on him last year when he deserved it but he's a PPG player who is leading the league in goals right now (tied, but you get the point.)

If that guy is your third best forward, you're in really good shape.

But he's been our best forward by a pretty good margin. I'd feel so different about this season if Panarin weren't a shell of himself.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

i asked this question in the main boards and it seems like they want assests to rebuild from for the future. Good player to have, but after JTM's contract is up, too expensive and too old.

He's also probably not going to re-sign there and be a 30 year old going through a rebuild.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't buy that, you can move other pieces to make room for him if he's that good, and its not like Vancouver is going into a rebuild, they are in the middle of it and they aren't in cap hell next year, and if they were they could move less important players. I honestly think there has to be more to this, unless he just wants out.

From what I can gather, Miller is older, wants to win and the Canucks need more depth in the organization and cap space to sign Boeser/Horvat/Pettersson over the next few years. They also dont have to trade him, which helps their leverage.

I still think the "JT Miller: Locker Room Cancer" stuff is bull. He would be a good fit here. If his former GM & teammates dont have issues with him returning, neither should the fans. Its all unsubstantiated rumors anyway.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

With all due respect, I’m not gonna take JT Miller advice from someone who says Krapsoft is the best hockey player in the world not playing in the NHL.

 

[McRanger92]

Igor has to play perfect as well for this team to win as well. The difference is that 2014 Rangers didn't have to rely on the PP to win games.

I see the current Rangers as incomplete. They havent spent to the cap like their peers and its had an affect on the 5v5 play throughout the lineup. Injuries have also taken a toll. Add a few more good NHL forwards and the 5v5 stuff will normalize.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I see the current Rangers as incomplete. They havent spent to the cap like their peers and its had an affect on the 5v5 play throughout the lineup. Injuries have also taken a toll. Add a few more good NHL forwards and the 5v5 stuff will normalize.

Let's hope so. They absolutely need more players, but they also can't have those players come in and then start to play the same way the Rangers have been. IMO the Rangers still need a high end 2C, and top 6 RW and a 2-4 LD.

 

[RangerBoy]

Corey Pronman wrote the annual who says no? feature for The Athletic this year. He ran the trade ideas submitted by the subscribers by a few NHL execs

A few Rangers mentions

12. Zadina for Kaapo Kakko — Tory H.

Exec: Rangers say no.

Pronman’s comment: Agree with the executive. Kakko’s production hasn’t been all that amazing in the NHL, but he provides some hard elements in how he plays that Zadina doesn’t — to go with the fact they both haven’t scored at huge levels.

16. Rangers acquire JT Miller at 50 percent retention in exchange for Vitali Kravtsov, Nils Lundkvist, 2022 first-round pick — Anthony C.

Miller being reacquired by the Rangers has been a popular rumor of late. The Rangers have a deep farm system to make a deal work, and you figure one of Zac Jones or Nils Lundkvist will be moved this deadline or in the offseason. They’re both strong prospects but hard to imagine an NHL coach playing three small offense-driven defensemen given they already have Adam Fox.

Exec No. 1: That’s not bad. Canucks would get a first-round pick. Gets them some cap space, and a very good defense prospect — of which they have little in their system. Kravtsov is a wash. Rangers have two second-round picks this year and some cap space so I like this deal for both sides.

Exec No. 2: It sounds fair, maybe Rangers say no.

19. and 20. Kravtsov (NYR) for Vilardi (LA) or Zadina (DET) for Vilardi (LA) — Michal Z.

Exec No. 1: Kings say no, then Detroit says no.

Exec No. 2: I don’t see Kravtsov being dealt for a 50/50 piece in a deal like this. I think he’ll be a part of a bigger trade. I don’t think they want to recreate the Lias Andersson deal.

 

[McRanger92]

Corey Pronman wrote the annual who says no? feature for The Athletic this year. He ran the trade ideas submitted by the subscribers by a few NHL execs

A few Rangers mentions

Nils/Krav/1st for Miller 50% is an easy yes. Take that and run.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Corey Pronman wrote the annual who says no? feature for The Athletic this year. He ran the trade ideas submitted by the subscribers by a few NHL execs

A few Rangers mentions

Love to see that response about the Miller proposals. Confirmed Canucks fans have lost their heads lol

 

[mas0764]

Kravtsov for Vilardi wouldn't be recreating the Andersson deal.

 

[mas0764]

I love how people are still on the Rangers have a deep farm system bit. Our farm was ranked 18th this offseason.

If we deal three prime pieces from it, it's like last.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Nils/Krav/1st for Miller 50% is an easy yes. Take that and run.

Even I wouldn't balk at this and I don't want Miller.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Judging from Stromer's numbers, what contract numbers are we looking at? 3y/17m? ...

You have to think he could easily command 7m/y on the FA market. Panarin or not, defensively sound or not, he's scoring at a 0.8pts/g pace for 3 seasons now ...

Imo, we just can't re-sign him and he should get dealt come TDL, but I also agree he's most likely our best short term 2C option.

I also don't think we'll just let him walk in FA ... so my wost case (sign him to stupid contract) is the most likely outcome.

Just don't NMC him.

I love how people are still on the Rangers have a deep farm system bit. Our farm was ranked 18th this offseason.

If we deal three prime pieces from it, it's like last.

Oh, I'm shocked since the season started, as to how depleted it is. To me, the "rebuild" feels like a loop at this point.

But hell, show me that list you refert to, bet the best farms are the worst teams, at least I don'r think it's possible to have a deep team and a deep farm at the same time.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I love how people are still on the Rangers have a deep farm system bit. Our farm was ranked 18th this offseason.

If we deal three prime pieces from it, it's like last.

Sometimes I think people use the term "prospect" loosely. If you included Kakko/Laffy/Miller ect as "prospects", it changes the game quite a bit. I get the sense that sometimes people are including young NHLers in that fashion.

 

[McRanger92]

Judging from Stromer's numbers, what contract numbers are we looking at? 3y/17m? ...

You have to think he could easily command 7m/y on the FA market. Panarin or not, defensively sound or not, he's scoring at a 0.8pts/g pace for 3 seasons now ...

Imo, we just can't re-sign him and he should get dealt come TDL, but I also agree he's most likely our best short term 2C option.

I also don't think we'll just let him walk in FA ... so my wost case (sign him to stupid contract) is the most likely outcome.

Just don't NMC him.

Hes getting nowhere close to 7mil with a flat cap. A team would have to be insane to give him that with Kadri/Hertl/Giroux/Pavelski also presumably on the market this summer. RNH & Danault are the comps. He is getting somewhere in the 5-5.75 range on 5-6 year deal with some kind of trade protection depending on the years. Its not rocket science.