Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI: The End (The Apocalypse Is Now)

[Ola]

In regards to the upcoming draft, the first round should be about finding top 6 offensive forwards. Ideally one or both should be centers. If we find ourselves in a draft position where we cannot add first line elite offensive skill, I'd like us to focus on finding speedy, powerful, play drivers. Less interested in guys with high boom potential who are maybe undersized or have less than elite skating. That's for the later rounds.

We need more Chytils to round out this team.

You look at the top teams in the league and beyond their core elite forwards, they have young guys like Sundkvist, Hintz, DeBrusk -- these are the kind of strong/fast guys that just wear teams down and ultimately create more space for elite teammates. Tiffoli types. Hopeful Barron's game could one day be in this mold.

Speaking of which, you can just see when CK isn't 100% there's so much less space for Zibanejad to create. When Kreider and Fast are on and creating havoc, they seem to create an identity for the rest of the forward group. We should be building on that.

Yeah, and this “we are a three line team” strategy should be changed. We need a solid 4th that can do the above too.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lundkvist and Fox are the two that are interchangeable in terms of style/role. TDA has a speedy/dynamic side neither of those two have.

One of NL or Fox should definitely be regarded as a trade chip, and I would definitely prefer to bet on Fox. Think he is really special.

Nils is darn impressive, and he would provide a really nice return in a trade too I imagine.

Ok, I have to ask. What do you have against Lundkvist that you want the Rangers to trade him so badly?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Would you guys do Lundkvist for Podkolzin?

Not sure that benefits us. Not a huge Podkolzin fan. I would trade Lundkvist for help at center though. A good 2-way center who plays all situations

 

[Ola]

Ok, I have to ask. What do you have against Lundkvist that you want the Rangers to trade him so badly?

Haha

But I have always been very black and white when it comes to -- what I think is -- "smart" asset management. If you have 4 RDs and holes elsewhere in the line-up, deal the RD. If you can trade a guy to get assets and replace that guy without giving up assets, do that trade. Like when we had both McDonagh and Yandle. I got a real bad hang-up that we should have traded McD and resigned Yandle. McD was really peaking at that point and EDM had great interest in him IIRC.

Ultimately, I just think that Gorton -- possibly -- could score a real home-run if Nils Lundkvist was traded.

With that said:
-I am definitely aware that its possible to "outsmart yourself" with these things.
-I think we all hold Nils really high and so does the rest of the league. But how high? Maybe there is something to gain in over a shorter period bring him to NA, get him up to the NHL and so forth. Nils has taken big steps and will of course keep doing that. Maybe his value could be even higher in a short while.

Lastly, to your question? Do I have anything against Nils? There are maybe a few things. First of all, he isn't a super speedster/dynamic type. But that isn't anything I have "against" him. Nobody like Fox more than me and he isn't that either. But I definitely think Fox and NL are very comparable in that regard. Nils is even naturally a little better skater than Fox, but I do think that AF's skating has been a bit underrated because while his stride isn't perfect he is really agile and moves really well in many situations too. The first few strides of his is perfect. Secondly, I do think that Nils is a little small. Kind of like Pionk. If we didn't have Fox and TDA he would be an omg omg omg prospect for me. But since we have...

 

[Vitto79]

They just dealt Keane a RD.......Lundkvist can start in the AHL

Leads had Sandin in the A for a year plus

 

[haohmaru]

I don't give a crap what Adam Herman says.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Haha

But I have always been very black and white when it comes to -- what I think is -- "smart" asset management. If you have 4 RDs and holes elsewhere in the line-up, deal the RD. If you can trade a guy to get assets and replace that guy without giving up assets, do that trade. Like when we had both McDonagh and Yandle. I got a real bad hang-up that we should have traded McD and resigned Yandle. McD was really peaking at that point and EDM had great interest in him IIRC.

Ultimately, I just think that Gorton -- possibly -- could score a real home-run if Nils Lundkvist was traded.

With that said:
-I am definitely aware that its possible to "outsmart yourself" with these things.
-I think we all hold Nils really high and so does the rest of the league. But how high? Maybe there is something to gain in over a shorter period bring him to NA, get him up to the NHL and so forth. Nils has taken big steps and will of course keep doing that. Maybe his value could be even higher in a short while.

Lastly, to your question? Do I have anything against Nils? There are maybe a few things. First of all, he isn't a super speedster/dynamic type. But that isn't anything I have "against" him. Nobody like Fox more than me and he isn't that either. But I definitely think Fox and NL are very comparable in that regard. Nils is even naturally a little better skater than Fox, but I do think that AF's skating has been a bit underrated because while his stride isn't perfect he is really agile and moves really well in many situations too. The first few strides of his is perfect. Secondly, I do think that Nils is a little small. Kind of like Pionk. If we didn't have Fox and TDA he would be an omg omg omg prospect for me. But since we have...

Don't you think it would be good to see what we have first, before we trade someone away? The Keane-Gauthier trade made sense because Keane has nowhere near the upside Lundkvist has. And that depth on the right side isn't really a reason to trade Lundkvist when there is a good chance DeAngelo or Fox moves to the left side. The depth we have is great, and should only be traded if it makes us better elsewhere. A 1-for-1 trade.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah, the guy who literally disagrees with Chris Kreider about how comfortable Chris Kreider was in college, isn't someone I will listen to for his opinion

Trouba's contract is 8 years long. We are at 10% of that contract. How can anyone say that's a good or bad contract? Same with Panarin. If Panarin drops in production and is a 40 point player for 5 of his 7 years, the contract is bad, no matter how good year 1 has been. Same goes for Trouba. That said, I don't agree with how bad some people say Trouba has been. He's our 2nd best D-man behind Fox

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

On D they should be keeping all three of Fox, ADA and Trouba. They wont need a world change on the left with those three. Need Lindgren types to pair up with them.

I still have concerns about the number of shots this team gives up. I brought it up before the deadline and it's still a thing. It's not just on the D here its overall team defense.

 

[Ola]

Don't you think it would be good to see what we have first, before we trade someone away? The Keane-Gauthier trade made sense because Keane has nowhere near the upside Lundkvist has. And that depth on the right side isn't really a reason to trade Lundkvist when there is a good chance DeAngelo or Fox moves to the left side. The depth we have is great, and should only be traded if it makes us better elsewhere. A 1-for-1 trade.

Yeah, and of course, Nils Lundkvist should only be traded if he is valued on par with what we all think/hope he is.

 

[Ola]

Pretty sick that Panarin is on pace to score 115 pts...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lindqvist has a long road ahead, I think things will fix themselves later on if he is a more affordable option by then. I believe the Keane trade essentially punted this issue down the road a bit giving ADA more time here to see what he is.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Miller should go pro.

The extra reps are the best way for him to learn.

Especially now that there’s finally a good coach in Hartford.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lindqvist has a long road ahead, I think things will fix themselves later on if he is a more affordable option by then. I believe the Keane trade essentially punted this issue down the road a bit giving ADA more time here to see what he is.

He's no longer in the organization

 

[Off Sides]

Even though I am not the biggest Trouba fan, If they just fixed the LD a little they could have 3 pairs who could pretty much play ~20 minutes per game. Some pairs more or less depending on the game score/situation. It would be a huge advantage almost no other team in the NHL could match as we are basically seeing right now. If any of the RD become injured they would still have an advantage. They do not need cap expensive LDs, just guys who are not Skjei, Smith, Staal and can complement the RDs. Which is where the cap space to have those LDs should come from, with much of that space left over.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Those are also known as people, and not all of them agree with that strategy but thank you

Well our NHL coaches and management actually do agree with that strategy so guess you're out of luck there.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Will Lindgren be exempt from the expansion draft?

 

[egelband]

Joel Edmundsun or Patrik Nemeth would be good.

I seem to remember the Rangers regular torching edmundson a few days ago. Seemed like a stiff. Maybe I’m wrong, but that doesn’t seem like a guy we’d target.

 

[egelband]

Will Lindgren be exempt from the expansion draft?

No, mon.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He's no longer in the organization

Autocorrect, I'm pretty sure you know who I'm talking about Einstein.

 

[B17 Apricots]

No, mon.

That's what I thought

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Will Lindgren be exempt from the expansion draft?

No, and neither is Gauthier. Anyone who played pro hockey in 2018-19 (ATO/PTO excluded) has to be protected

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Autocorrect, I'm pretty sure you know who I'm talking about Einstein.

Honestly, with the name Lindqvist, it could have been a serious post about him, as he played in our organization.

 

[eco's bones]

And the edge he plays with is something Makar/Hughes could never do. DeAngelo has the most unique skillset of any dman on our team AINEC

If by edge you mean 'attitude' he certainly has that and for his size he knows how to handle himself in a fight--keeping in mind that that happens only very occasionally. Tony's defense has improved quite a lot in the last season or two.

He is not a physical defenseman though. He is not big or particularly strong. He has to rely on skill, positioning and smarts. Those things have come around particularly the positioning. He's a very good player. That said we do need at least some bigger, more physical players on our D.

 

[B17 Apricots]

That's one angle where I don't think Lundkvist gets moved. Unless they make a deal with Seattle where the condition is they draft a certain player they're either gonna have to trade or lose a good Dman to expansion