Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI: The End (The Apocalypse Is Now)

[Kovalev27]

I still can’t wrap my head around what Carolina was thinking giving up a first rounder sitting outside a playoff spot and sending no money back for Brady Skjei.

don’t get me wrong Brady is a good player. And even if you agree with that and many don’t. The metrics definitely say he’s not. But even if you think he is, they’ve got Slavin and Gardiner already over there on the left side. They have Hayden Fleury and their top d prospect Jake Bean who’s 21 and very close is also a lefty. They have big money tied up in Slavin Pesce Gardiner Hamilton (who will actually need a raise in a year) and now 5.25 in Skjei?

total desperation move to squeak into the playoffs. Gorton killed them here. Killed them.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I think if Rykov can have a healthy strong summer of training and is willing to give it another shot he can certainly make this team

 

[duhmetreE]

how are we fitting his cap hit?

It would be in place of Strome. Slot Chytil up and have Bonino as the 3c

 

[rangers1314]

I think if Rykov can have a healthy strong summer of training and is willing to give it another shot he can certainly make this team

In a vacuum that may very well be true, but the FO cannot assume that this summer. They will be hunting for a legit LHD. Factor in Lindgren and Staal most likely coming back....where does he fit?

I'd love to think that since they had the B's to basically bench Hank that they would do the same with Staal, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[RGY]

If smith plays well here and I expect him to do about as well as Skjei has this year as I’ve said, I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t want to add a dman for 4.25 mil on a one year deal. I think he’s tradeable at that point. That would probably mean they keep Staal.

frankly if hank is bought out and they do the smart thing and let Fast walk for bigger dollars they don’t need to do anything else. Have money to sign DeAngelo Lemieux Georgie and Strome

I am all about adding Brenden Dillon. Even if it means Staal being a 7th defenseman for his final year here. If they can move Smith, which I think they will be able to with no money retained then use the extra money to sign Dillon in the $3-$4 million range. I would like to see if DeAngelo can slide over. If Lundkvist doesn’t push his way onto the roster (in no particular order of ranking):

Dillon-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
Staal-DeAngelo

if Lundkvist comes over:

Dillon-Trouba
Lindgren-Fox
DeAngelo-Lundkvist

 

[Off Sides]

I believe Carolina was probably thinking they have an important injured defender for their playoff push, and this summer out of their 9 NHL defenders only one has a 7 team limited no trade clause. Kind of seems like they'll be able to get back value for some of them, heck maybe they even trade Skjei again, and maybe they get back more than they gave up to get him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Carolina wants out on Gardiner, so that's one of the reasons I assume they made a move for Skjei

Some team will trade for Gardiner in the summer. He's not a bad defenseman at all, it just doesn't seem to fit in Carolina. He's also signed relatively cheap for the next 3 years

Paying Skjei 5 million to be on the second pair isn't the end of the world when they have Slavin and Pesce locked in for dirt cheap.

I'm very interested in Jake Bean. If Carolina circles back around for Georgiev in the summer, I wouldn't mind Bean being part of the conversation

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm sure Nurse can be had for a ( Buch + LHD prospect + ) package.

We wanted the lefty Trouba... he's that

 

[DutchShamrock]

I'm sure Nurse can be had for a ( Buch + LHD prospect + ) package.

We wanted the lefty Trouba... he's that

That's essentially an even swap of salaries. We are over the cap and have only 18 skaters if we only re-sign our free agents.

How does it work? I don't think Edmonton takes that package anyway, but what are the other chess moves to fill the rest of the roster?

 

[kovazub94]

if he wants to make the team he needs to stay healthy for more than 3 days in a row...he can't say the rangers didn't give him a change this year, he's been hurt

Yup, unfortunate injury bug because he'd be in direct competition with Lindgren and Hajek and the latter hasn't done anything to seize his opportunity. Really hoping that Rykov stays to give it another try next season - I believe he's got it in him to be a good NHL regular.

 

[kovazub94]

Don't be so sure. He's been way less than impressive at the AHL level even.

???

 

[dshea19]

I wonder how close Reunanen is to being a viable option.

 

[duhmetreE]

That's essentially an even swap of salaries. We are over the cap and have only 18 skaters if we only re-sign our free agents.

How does it work? I don't think Edmonton takes that package anyway, but what are the other chess moves to fill the rest of the roster?

Do we have to repeat the same things over and over again? NEXT year is the bottleneck. It's not that tight after.

HL reitres +8.5
HL bought out +3.5
Smith traded +4.35
Staal bought out +2.1
Staal traded +5.7
Buchnevich +3.2

 

[DutchShamrock]

We will have to bargain shop. MDZ and Claesson are league minimum. Dan Hamuis, Boroweicki, Sbisa were all under $1.25m.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I still can’t wrap my head around what Carolina was thinking giving up a first rounder sitting outside a playoff spot and sending no money back for Brady Skjei.

don’t get me wrong Brady is a good player. And even if you agree with that and many don’t. The metrics definitely say he’s not. But even if you think he is, they’ve got Slavin and Gardiner already over there on the left side. They have Hayden Fleury and their top d prospect Jake Bean who’s 21 and very close is also a lefty. They have big money tied up in Slavin Pesce Gardiner Hamilton (who will actually need a raise in a year) and now 5.25 in Skjei?

total desperation move to squeak into the playoffs. Gorton killed them here. Killed them.

Agreed. The Funny thing is that some thought we got back way too little. Not only did we rid ourselves of a bad contract but got a first rounder that may have a chance to be really good in a strong draft. Even if the pick lands 15-20 I still consider that teal good

 

[dshea19]

Agreed. The Funny thing is that some thought we got back way too little. Not only did we rid ourselves of a bad contract but got a first rounder that may have a chance to be really good in a strong draft. Even if the pick lands 15-20 I still consider that teal good

I have heard that really good players are there until the 40-50 range. They will just take longer to marinate.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Do we have to repeat the same things over and over again? NEXT year is the bottleneck. It's not that tight after.

HL reitres +8.5
HL bought out +3.5
Smith traded +4.35
Staal bought out +2.1
Staal traded +5.7
Buchnevich +3.2

Staal and Smith aren't going without salary retention, Hank isn't retiring. So yes, we do have to talk about it. I'm asking about next year, how do you put 22 players on an NHL roster?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have heard that really good players are there until the 40-50 range. They will just take longer to marinate.

This draft is 60 deep.

 

[duhmetreE]

Staal and Smith aren't going without salary retention, Hank isn't retiring. So yes, we do have to talk about it. I'm asking about next year, how do you put 22 players on an NHL roster?

Yes, they are. Same way Skjei wasn't going without retaining salary?

There's way to get this done. How Gorton does it, I'm not 100% sure. You just dont want to accept it because you want to be right.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Yes, they are. Same way Skjei wasn't going without retaining salary?

There's way to get this done. How Gorton does it, I'm not 100% sure. You just dont want to accept it because you want to be right.

Nah dude

No one is taking either of those guys straight up, Maybe Smith but that's a huge maybe

It's laughable to put Skjei and these guys in the same sentence

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This draft is 60 deep.

2020 6th rounder > 2019 2nd rounder

 

[MetalJaws]

I wonder how the brass feels about Georgiev. Is he a starter? Will he want starter money? Is he ok with playing a backup role for the foreseeable future? Igor and Hank would be just fine, but the year after that I hope the Rangers don't kick themselves for letting Georgiev go.

So many teams seem to need a solid goalie. I wonder what they're thinking and what the trade market is like this off-season.

Guess we'll see how he handles this stretch. Win-Win if he can play as good as he has been.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Yes, they are. Same way Skjei wasn't going without retaining salary?

There's way to get this done. How Gorton does it, I'm not 100% sure. You just dont want to accept it because you want to be right.

Staal and Smith are not the same as Skjei. Ignore the hive mind here and realize Skjei is a good, young player locked up on a reasonable deal.

Smith has a 15 team NTC, Staal has a Full NTC. They are older, worse than Skjei. Show some examples of comparable salary dumps with no money coming back? You are confident, the examples ought to be there. Similar age, salary, contract restrictions.

I ask the same questions because you haven't had a realistic, complete answer. What do you think I want to be right about? I haven't made a claim, just asking how the roster comes together.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I still can’t wrap my head around what Carolina was thinking giving up a first rounder sitting outside a playoff spot and sending no money back for Brady Skjei.

don’t get me wrong Brady is a good player. And even if you agree with that and many don’t. The metrics definitely say he’s not. But even if you think he is, they’ve got Slavin and Gardiner already over there on the left side. They have Hayden Fleury and their top d prospect Jake Bean who’s 21 and very close is also a lefty. They have big money tied up in Slavin Pesce Gardiner Hamilton (who will actually need a raise in a year) and now 5.25 in Skjei?

total desperation move to squeak into the playoffs. Gorton killed them here. Killed them.

I have no clue why Carolina didn't go for Lehner. A hot Lehner and you can make a run. A good Skjei and weak goaltending and you might not make playoffs.If you were going to keep Krieder, buying out Stall was not enough cash to do so. The trade makes perfect sense even if it hurts rangers playoff chances.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Nah dude

No one is taking either of those guys straight up, Maybe Smith but that's a huge maybe

It's laughable to put Skjei and these guys in the same sentence

If Smith plays well these last 20 games I don't think it's that far out of the realm of possibility that some team trades for him. He's got one year left at a pretty reasonable price.