Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[Gluten Free Breadman]

Now you're just using bad faith BS to suit your bias. His role has changed because he's become top line player & a top 20 scorer over the past 3 years. I understand some not wanting to give up prime assets for him, but you nobody who'd being honest can deny he would make us a better team.

How many guys in the league can pull this off.

I doubt this move would even work in the NHL.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

JT Miller 46 points in 53 games last year, 46 in 46 this year. 92 points in 98 games over two years.
R Strome 49 points in 56 games last year, 34 in 43 this year. 83 points in 99 games over two years.

So a 1st rounder, Krav, Lundquist, and, after this years playoffs, Strome for Miller? That just seems INSANE.
Plus Strome is supposedly a great locker room presence, and Miller will either walk after 22-23 OR likely has a higher cap hit than Strome. That just seems like a batshit move to me.

Buy this man a cookie.

 

[jay from jersey]

He'd be our only LH shot on PP1, why wouldn't he play there?

Panarin would have an ass attack if strome got moved off the PP.
Plus that LaF kid has a pretty good shot and scored his goals around the net.
He’s a lefty too. But he’s not sniffing the 1PP while strome is here... kakko either for that matter

 

[Thirty One]

It does feel like we always pursue the "obvious names" even if it's really not so obvious that they're a fit.

When I think of significant trades we've made in recent memory that seemed to come out of nowhere or involved guys I didn't realize were being shopped, obviously the Zibanejad trade is the primary one. When we swapped Del Zotto for Klein, that was surprising and I thought a smart trade. Rozsival for Wolski seemed sort of out of the blue. Most of the other big deals felt like they were rumored for so long that they became preordained.

Yandle came out of nowhere for me. But yeah, I agree.

 

[bl02]

Miller would not sniff 1st unit pp time here only thing he would do is bump one of the kids off of pp2

 

[jay from jersey]

It was never 8 OA, it was a conditional 2023 1st

And even then, it is not a sure thing that that offer was on the table in the fashion that if the Rangers said yes it was a done deal, it was being discussed and far along. We also don't know the timeline, or if there was more being asked for from the Rangers than just Buch.

that offer also could have been dropped when they found out they can get arvidsson cheaper. Who knows. Things happen.
Both Buch and strome were shopped for the better part of 2 years.
I’m sure they were close to at least 4-5?deals over that span.
The kakko draft just makes me angry. of course we don’t win 1OA and get a game breaking young stud center or keep our original draft position and get a young game breaking center....
Hughes was a Dream for this organization.
Zergas would have been incredible here as well.
The fact that we didn’t get either doesn’t feel like a lottery win... no disrespect to kakko, who I’m sure will be a fine player, but not like those 2.
It’s the what if’s and what could have Beens that will drive you crazy if you keep dwelling on them.

 

[Thirty One]

Miller would not sniff 1st unit pp time here only thing he would do is bump one of the kids off of pp2

Likely Chytil, and it would give Kakko and Lafreniere, if they stuck on the unit, a chance to play on a much more competent PP unit.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

Now you're just using bad faith BS to suit your bias. His role has changed because he's become top line player & a top 20 scorer over the past 3 years. I understand some not wanting to give up prime assets for him, but you nobody who'd being honest can deny he would make us a better team.

How many guys in the league can pull this off.

Also, we have our own Miller that can already do this:

 

[noupf]

Just curious here.............is JT Miller even on the trade block? I cant see why VAN would want to move him out at this point. I mean, yea i get it, if a package that ultimately is an overpayment, sure, but is he really even available?

 

[Fitzy]

Panarin, Zib, Kreider, and Fox have a combined 87 PP points.

The entire rest of the roster combined has 16. Take away Strome and it's 7.

We don't really have a second PP unit in any meaningful way.

 

[bhamill]

JT Miller wouldn't be the reason the Rangers can't afford Strome. If they can't have a forward at $2.6M and sign Strome, they just can't sign Strome.

Except you are making the unsupported assumption that Van is retaining 50% on Miller... for this year and next. I'd wager they aren't doing that. No one does that. What would lead you to believe they would?
But even if they retained 50% what happens after 22-23? If we were able to sign Strome, we wont be able keep Miller... and those assets are gone. You think Miller "guarantees" a Cup? Not even close IMO. Still a bad deal, just not QUITE as batshit.

 

[HonestGabe]

Just curious here.............is JT Miller even on the trade block? I cant see why VAN would want to move him out at this point. I mean, yea i get it, if a package that ultimately is an overpayment, sure, but is he really even available?

According to Seravalli, Brooks, Pagnotta, Dhaliwal and several other reporters he seems to be pretty available.

 

[bhamill]

Buy this man a cookie.

I prefer whiskey.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Likely Chytil, and it would give Kakko and Lafreniere, if they stuck on the unit, a chance to play on a much more competent PP unit.

I wonder if they would go 4F 1D on both units if Jones isn't in the lineup and we see all 3 of Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere with Miller. Of course depending on if Chytil isn't part of a trade for Miller himself.

 

[noupf]

According to Seravalli, Brooks, Pagnotta, Dhaliwal and several other reporters he seems to be pretty available.

its all click bait. The guy wont be traded

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Miller would not sniff 1st unit pp time here only thing he would do is bump one of the kids off of pp2

Agree, but if they locked down a deal for Miller with enough time in advance before the deadline, I would not be shocked if Strome was traded as a rental. The Rangers could also retain dollars to make it work. If that happened, I would expect Miller to most likely slot in on PP1 - or better yet maybe Laffy moves up to PP1 and Miller slots in on PP2.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I prefer whiskey.

Even better.

 

[bl02]

Agree, but if they locked down a deal for Miller with enough time in advance before the deadline, I would not be shocked if Strome was traded as a rental. The Rangers could also retain dollars to make it work. If that happened, I would expect Miller to most likely slot in on PP1 - or better yet maybe Laffy moves up to PP1 and Miller slots in on PP2.

I just don't see Strome being traded for 2 reasons. The return is gonna be less than what many people believe we should get and second for the return I don't think they are gonna upset the apple cart (whether you agree or disagree we are a better playoff team with/without strome)

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Agree, but if they locked down a deal for Miller with enough time in advance before the deadline, I would not be shocked if Strome was traded as a rental. The Rangers could also retain dollars to make it work. If that happened, I would expect Miller to most likely slot in on PP1 - or better yet maybe Laffy moves up to PP1 and Miller slots in on PP2.

I think that's a very dangerous move to make. Moving Strome out before the playoffs can have a bad affect on the team. And if Strome is moved, because Drury knows he can't give him what he wants on his next deal, Laff should be the first guy up on PP1.

 

[Thirty One]

I wonder if they would go 4F 1D on both units if Jones isn't in the lineup and we see all 3 of Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere with Miller. Of course depending on if Chytil isn't part of a trade for Miller himself.

I'd imagine both units would have 1D only. I feel like putting K'Andre on PP2 was only because of injuries up front.

I just feel like Chytil doesn't have any identifiable power play skills, but maybe I'm projecting what I would do instead of what would actually happen.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I just don't see Strome being traded for 2 reasons. The return is gonna be less than what many people believe we should get and second for the return I don't think they are gonna upset the apple cart (whether you agree or disagree we are a better playoff team with/without strome)

I think that's a very dangerous move to make. Moving Strome out before the playoffs can have a bad affect on the team. And if Strome is moved, because Drury knows he can't give him what he wants on his next deal, Laff should be the first guy up on PP1.

I hate the idea of trading Strome, personally I think he's everything we need in a 2C and I would love to see him extended at a reasonable AAV. I just think if they land Miller there is a possibility that it happens whether we like it or not.

 

[mas0764]

1 - Miller at 50% doesn't force Strome out.

Yes, it does. The market for Strome is at least what Miller currently is getting. Even at that, plus Miller at 50%, we do not have enough cap space to ice a full team if Strome gets 5.5m, which is probably on the low side in this market anyway.

It's not happening.

It's either Strome or Miller.

Unless you are moving Kreider or Trouba.

3 - If the cost to trade for Miller is Lundkvist, Kravtsov, and a 1st, that doesn't wipe out the Rangers assets for future deals.

Yes, it does. You need Othmann to be a Kreider replacement eventually, you need Jones and Robertson to win those 3rd pair spots in the next year or two so we can stop trotting out Nemeth and Tinordi. Is Cuylle and Berard the foundation of a trade for a star center now? Come on.

And frankly we need those kids too, so we can get Reaves and Hunt off the roster.

The "extra," pieces we have are Nils and Kravtsov and/or Chytil. They need to become a long term center, not an 18 month center.

4 - The Rangers are on on pace for 112 points. Adding a PPG C like Miller to this team would obviously improve the Rangers play at 5v5 for the next 2 playoff runs. You don' t need to be delusional to think that group of forwards with Igor and our D core could compete for a cup.

Miller would have to somehow magically transform three lines to give them a fighter's chance. Their point pace doesn't interest me. They have played far too many games looking like garbage where Igor steals them points. They aren't winning a Cup like that.

When they actually play like a good team and have Igor playing at a high level, then they will be a contender.

And Miller doesn't improve the team for 2 runs, because Strome walks after the first one and we are right back where we stand today.

When do you expect the Rangers to have more talent than they would have with Miller for those 2 runs?

I expect the Rangers to not be idiots and trade their best remaining assets for 18 months of no upgrade. Blisteringly high expectations, I know.

 

[Kocur26]

Rangers will land a trio of

Garland

Giordano

and a depth forward

book it

 

[mas0764]

Since chytil has pretty much been awful at center and Blais is injured, it’s easy to say now oh Kupari would have been better.

It was easy to say when the trade happened, as I in fact did say the trade was a shitburger from the second it happened.

Don't lump me in with the excuse makers.

With strome leaving and chytil looking like he can’t handle center in a consistent to 6 role, I’d expect Drury to address the long term 2c position this offseason.

When he does so without getting fleeced, my tune will change on him. Until then, he's sucked.

You also continue to shit on Drury, and totally ignore the entire business perspective of hockey because Dom Ls book says we need to be a long term contender.

We do need to be a long term contender.

Spending prime assets on this year's team is lunacy.

You want to get the kids some experience? Add some inexpensive depth fortifications and see where an elite Shesterkin, Fox, and Panarin will take you? No one is stopping them.

Paying through the nose for Miller is ridiculous. Trading Buch for basically nothing was equally ridiculous.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah I'll take my chances on Kupari not ending up as a top 6 center. Middle 6 center is even going to be a stretch. I'm pretty confident that he won't reach Chytil's level over the course of their careers.

When did it become either/or?

It's funny that you are so anti-Blais when he's pretty similar to the players you want, just not a center.

I'm actually not anti-Blais as a player to have. In a different trade or as a reasonable free agent signing he's a decent piece. He's certainly better than Hunt, Reaves, and McKegg.

I'm anti-Blais as a trade target for a 26 year old first line winger which should have fetched a young center which we need more than ten Sammy Blaises.