Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXV: Calm Before the Storm

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can anyone speak French here?

indications are that Kreider will be dealt if he doesn’t have a deal in place.

Nothing earth shattering.

 

[True Blue]

Can't think of a more similar player to DeAngelo in the league right now than Makar, makes no sense for the Avs.

All things being equal, Makar is a much, much better defender.

 

[RGY]

It is what it is. They were never in a position to self rent. They would have to have been leading the entire East to consider that option.

They must trade him if he and Keator wont compromise.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m a little surprised we haven’t heard any rumblings about players who are RfA’s at the end of the year whose teams may not be able to afford them being available more

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Bye Krei

 

[Leetch3]

Not everyone shares your low expectations. ADA is so overrated on this Board its laughable. He makes too many bone head plays for my liking even though he can move the puck.

if you consider being the 6th highest scoring dman in the league and leading a rebuilding team to the 7th best pp in the league as 'low expectations' then LOL

you consider the idea of moving ADA if you can turn him into a top forward cause with trouba, fox and lundkvist the blueline can absorb that loss to get the big upgrade up front. the idea that we should move him cause he isn't good is a complete clown take

 

[Levitate]

None of these guys have soures with the Rangers, none of them know what Gorton is doing. I don't think they have any inside insight on this stuff unless his agent is leaking a bit of things

that said, these statements are pretty much guaranteed to be true, they're not going out on a limb much to say that

 

[Crease]

My sauces also say that if the Rangers don't extend Kreider he'll likely be traded.

 

[Michal]

I can't believe there's still talk of trading ADA. We have literally been waiting for 20 years for a D-Man like him. And the first year we have one, we're going to trade him?

With Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist I think we need more two way top pairing LD than ADA (one of our 3 small offensive RDs). His stocks are very high. It is good moment for selling him for a very nice return.

What is an alternative? Playing with Skjei, Staal at top4 D? We have plenty LD prospects but none of them is expected to be top pairing LD. I think It can be extremely difficult to get a top LD in the next 2-3 years. Trading ADA could solve that problem.

 

[JT Kreider]

Y'all really too lazy to click into the tweet and hit the translate button?

I got a different translation lol

 

[Irishguy42]

I’m a little surprised we haven’t heard any rumblings about players who are RfA’s at the end of the year whose teams may not be able to afford them being available more

Probably all hinges on the UFA/rental market. Same as the Rangers themselves with ADA/Lemieux/Strome all hinging on Kreider.

 

[Levitate]

if you consider being the 6th highest scoring dman in the league and leading a rebuilding team to the 7th best pp in the league as 'low expectations' then LOL

you consider the idea of moving ADA if you can turn him into a top forward cause with trouba, fox and lundkvist the blueline can absorb that loss to get the big upgrade up front. the idea that we should move him cause he isn't good is a complete clown take

Yeah in addition to what I said earlier I just think in general there's no hurry to move DeAngelo even if you're looking at the log jam down the road. Lundkvist is probably another year or more away, there's plenty of room to let Fox grow as well, no reason to jump the gun in figuring things out yet

 

[Irishguy42]

I got a different translation lol

Lavoie does change the wording up between his French/English posts, yes. But the message is the same.

 

[Crease]

Where's Carlos Beltran's niece when you need her.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I can't believe there's still talk of trading ADA. We have literally been waiting for 20 years for a D-Man like him. And the first year we have one, we're going to trade him?

People are as dumb as dog shit!

 

[Leetch3]

A 60+ point puck moving RD? What are your expectations, Brent Burns?

and if they are...tony is better this year

 

[nyrage]

Y'all really too lazy to click into the tweet and hit the translate button?

Not to mention that he always tweets first in French and then in English

 

[Gardner McKay]

My sauces also say that if the Rangers don't extend Kreider he'll likely be traded.

What kind of sauce we talking here? Nice marinara? Maybe buffalo wing sauce?

 

[Tawnos]

I know there is the non-analytic based crowd, but the eye test and the analytics are lining up.

Of course there are moves to make, but the team has been on a good run the last two months and progression is being made internally.

Losing Kreider and Fast will hurt, but there is a chance that, depending the return, good hockey and winning could continue without these guys around.

If they do re-sign Kreider and keep Fast, I'd say that this current squad will give teams a run for their money the next 6 weeks and getting in is a distinct possibility

Many of the complaints about analytics have at least been attempted to be addressed and I think they do a lot better of a job than they did even just a couple of years ago. They’re still viewed too monolithically by “proponents” of them, but that’s a different problem and one I don’t think is really affecting teams.

That being said, declaring the rebuild over would seem to bely the whole thing about sample sizes. They’ve been improving and things look bright, but the rebuild is NOT over yet.

To the point you’re making in your commentary there, I actually agree that the impact of trading Kreider or Fast isn’t as big as people want to proclaim. It’s perfectly possible to become a contender without them.

 

[JT Kreider]

I really want Robertson from TO to link up with his brother. Both killing it in the OHL right now.


Edit: they are not brothers but still. Nick Robertson should be at the top of our list for Kreider if TO is a buyer.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Where's Carlos Beltran's niece when you need her.

Phrasing

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm excited that I'm going to be super busy at work tomorrow and will miss all the hoopla.

 

[cheech70]

Then take this!

Did you mean: Everything indicates that if Chris Kreider does not have a new agreement, he will be traded. The @NYRangers playoff race will not change the data. He signs he stays. It does not sign, it will be exchanged. #tvasports


Profound

 

[Levitate]

Many of the complaints about analytics have at least been attempted to be addressed and I think they do a lot better of a job than they did even just a couple of years ago. They’re still viewed too monolithically by “proponents” of them, but that’s a different problem and one I don’t think is really affecting teams.

That being said, declaring the rebuild over would seem to bely the whole thing about sample sizes. They’ve been improving and things look bright, but the rebuild is NOT over yet.

To the point you’re making in your commentary there, I actually agree that the impact of trading Kreider or Fast isn’t as big as people want to proclaim. It’s perfectly possible to become a contender without them.

I'm pretty sure the "rebuild is over!" thing is a joke paired with the fat that the Rangers hve been playing much better lately

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

With Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist I think we need more two way top pairing LD than ADA (one of our 3 small offensive RDs). His stocks are very high. It is good moment for selling him for a very nice return.

What is an alternative? Playing with Skjei, Staal at top4 D? We have plenty LD prospects but none of them is expected to be top pairing LD. I think It can be extremely difficult to get a top LD in the next 2-3 years. Trading ADA could solve that problem.

ADA is better than Trouba and Fox. He is easily a better PP QB than both of them. It wasn't a suprise when he was out last week that our PP looked like shit.

I have no interest in trading Fox, but I would 100% move Trouba before moving ADA. I just think it's absolutely crazy to move this kid, when we have waited 20 years for an offensive dynamo like him. He is having one of the best seasons ever for a Rangers RD. Why are we trying to pretend like that's not happening?

The talent has always been there. It's always been about consistency and getting his crazy head on straight. Now that we invested the time to do that, and he truly seems to have grown and become nearly what we want him to be, we're going to sell that?

ADA is one of the most valuable pieces on this team concerning the rebuild. Trading him would be a far bigger hit to this team than trading Kreider.