Still, it speaks to the fact that they didnt have a strong feeling about anyone available at #7. Maybe we should have tried harder to move into the top five.
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Amazing Kreiderman
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"trying harder" doesn't magically convince other GMs to move down. With the gap being so significant after the top 5, why would a GM move down?
I dont know how the other GMs valued the top five, but Pettersson would have been worth a stupid overpayment.
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It was the 3 first rounders, Kisio, Ogrodnick and Beezer AND 15 million
Kisio was coming off a 78 point season and Beezer was 2 years removed from carrying the Rangers to the conference finals. Regardless, it was as much about the $$as it was about the on ice return.
why would any of those teams have traded down? and what were you going to overpay with at the time? what did we have to offer besides our 2 1st rounders that year? was gorton supposed to make the deal by offering up ryan gropp? our system was complete trash then. if a similar draft situation happened now, we have the ammo to get a deal done even if we overpay. back then what did we have of value?
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Certain extremely competitive people handle even medium-term adversity extremely poorly. They're very used to crushing their field and don't have much coping skills beyond "try harder".
The E-sports scene is littered with "washed-up" 21-24 y/o who beat themselves up out of a career after being world beaters at 19. I see a lot of parallels.
I think he will be a good Ranger, for whatever that is worth.
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Ok. Would you accept 7+21 in the 2017 draft for 5, knowing that there's a huge drop off at 5-6?
Maybe we should have traded back a few spots. That might have been easier.
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we had more pieces back then than just our picks and prospects.
Out of boredom I was looking at some numbers.
Barkov, #2 overall, 6’3 200lb Finnish 18 year old, had 8 goals/24 points in 54 games, averaging 17 minutes a night his rookie year.
Kakko, #2 overall, 6’3 200lb Finnish 18 year old, had 10 goals/23 points in 66 games, averaging 14 minutes a night his rookie year.
That ends up as 918 minutes as a rookie for Barkov and 924 minutes for Kakko.
What does this mean? Um... absolutely nothing, other than I’m still optimistic Kakko’s offense will develop and he can put up some terrific offensive seasons for us.
Barkov went from 24 to 36 to 59 to 52 to 78 to 96 and then 62 last year.
If Kakko can hit 40ish points next year, I think we can breath a lot easier.
Barkov, #2 overall, 6’3 200lb Finnish 18 year old, had 8 goals/24 points in 54 games, averaging 17 minutes a night his rookie year.
Kakko, #2 overall, 6’3 200lb Finnish 18 year old, had 10 goals/23 points in 66 games, averaging 14 minutes a night his rookie year.
That ends up as 918 minutes as a rookie for Barkov and 924 minutes for Kakko.
What does this mean? Um... absolutely nothing, other than I’m still optimistic Kakko’s offense will develop and he can put up some terrific offensive seasons for us.
Barkov went from 24 to 36 to 59 to 52 to 78 to 96 and then 62 last year.
If Kakko can hit 40ish points next year, I think we can breath a lot easier.
like what though? teams picking in the top 5 in the draft typically are rebuilding and not interested in veteran players nearing UFA status.
These are some thick weeds to be getting into on a past hypothetical, but would Buchnevich plus 7OA get us 5OA in 2017? That would have been seen as a steep overpayment at the time to move up two slots, but we'd hopefully select Pettersson and be much better off.
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If you look up "old boys club" in the dictionary, there's a photo of Glen Sather
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We don't really have a #3 LW, so Chytil could feasibly end up there instead of 3C. It's not like we NEED to open up a spot for LA, but we certainly COULD if he has a good camp. And sure, LA could even be that #3 LW. So could Lemieux, Kravty, or Goat. Options, options everywhere.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/rangers-mailbag-the-best-case-henrik-lundqvist-exit-scenario/
Like less than a week ago, Graves was the worst Gorton move. But now Hagelin, who was traded a few days before Gorton was officially GM, is the worst Rangers move in the modern era. FWIW, we could have been better off staying where we were and drafting Nuutinen or someone else not named Gropp. Maybe Hagelin would have signed with us for less than he got from Anaheim.
Like less than a week ago, Graves was the worst Gorton move. But now Hagelin, who was traded a few days before Gorton was officially GM, is the worst Rangers move in the modern era. FWIW, we could have been better off staying where we were and drafting Nuutinen or someone else not named Gropp. Maybe Hagelin would have signed with us for less than he got from Anaheim.
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They could have signed him for less if they gave him a 1-year deal. They couldn't afford to buy his UFA years, but they could maybe have held him through to free agency. Potentially saving them from renting Eric Staal.
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And the reason it fell through was probably because of the drop off. What would we be able to offer that would entice Dallas at that point?
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You can just keep adding AHLers and 2023 4th round picks until the slider goes green. Duh.
Smh Gorton.
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